It's a good advice, but personal information comes on the second place. Sending BTCs to scammers/phisers is a much worse thing than not encrypting your personal information.


It is, but jimmothy still thinks that the home mining is the future

There were cases of fake users like "RoadStress`" that were asking bitcoins for immediate shipping miners. They were obviously scammers! That's why you never send BTC to addresses that you receive in a PM from me or from SP-Tech (we won't ask money in a PM, but fakes users will do) or anyone that promises you anything.

So it means that nobody should buy AM shares right now because nobody knows when they will ROI. Good advice.

Let's see how long will it take for those wafers to get sold

For who? For you maybe, but what about the people who just bought AM shares?

Also reaching a positive ROI doesn't mean that it's ok for them to not issue dividends anymore and just do whatever they want with the money.

When do you expect to get some dividends jimmothy?

There is a sucker born every day...

They will ship towards the end of the month. I'm expecting them to have chips in hand around the middle of the month.

Two weeks to July and no Neptune news. You are shilling for such a great company...

I'm not a bitcoin mining tycoon yet, but I hope that someday I will be. The fact that I'm always present in the Mining forum helps me take the best decisions when it comes to mining hardware. Having limited amount of cash from the start gave me no room for errors and that's why I'm trying to stay informed. I started my ASIC adventure with 15 burnin boards with avalon gen1 chips, but right now they are offline.

Right now I'm hashing with 3 Jupiters (1 Sep/Oct that is shared with someone else+2 Nov Jupiters), 3 SP10s (soon to be 5, but 1 will hash for ckolivas and sean's outpost) and I also have 4 SP30s on pre-order(will buy 1 or 2 more from September batch too). That makes it just 6TH/s right now, but I'm proud of how I'm staying ahead of the difficulty curve. My first SP10 doubled my total hashrate and my next 2 SP10s doubled my hashrate again. It will take some time before difficulty will catch me up and the SP30s will just give me another boots so that the difficulty won't be able to catch me.

What a surprise!!! 

I don't understand you. SP30 can be either physically shipped to you or hosted in a US datacenter.
Hosting is available after your unit is built. You don't get cloud hosting until your unit is shipped. I think you misunderstood the whole hosting deal.

Sweden relies on nuclear and hydro power which is cheap. Even so a $0.14/kwh means that paying $0.15/kwh for colocation in a DC is equally the same. No loss there!


You are an exception and you know it. I would like to see how many miners are able to host and cool 8KW at home. Not many. Especially US residents who are on 110V! Because jimmothy keeps reminding me about the US miners with their cheap power. It's a wet dream for a regular US miner to host 8KW at home.


No. You are limited by your power circuit. Everyone has X W spare for mining. Filling it with SP30 would mean that for every W that they have free they can accommodate 2Gh/s while filling it with rockminers means that they can accommodate only 0.9GH/s. The obvious pick is obvious.

Europeans pay a higher price than americans.


Yes good luck shipping the big fat rockminers to anyone. I can justify shipping for 15 burnin avalon gen1 boards and you imply that anyone will pay a lot of money to ship 42kgs worth of 3TH/s rockminers? Good luck with that!


Besides the fact that you negated your own statement (yeah sure 200w rockminers will help spread the hashrate while there is a 5PH immersion cooled monster out there) I really wish that the sp30s will end up in datacenters and that a large portion of rockminers will end up in homes. I really do! Once the home miners will fill their power circuit I am sure that their next purchase in order to stay in the mining game will definitely be a SP30 or SP50 miner because of it's power efficiency since they will need to pay more for power and because of their construction which is DC ready. It all makes sense: keep power hungry miners at home where electricity is cheap and keep efficient miners in a DC where electricity is expensive.

Again you are not a miner and you shouldn't give advice of how miners should act. I just demonstrated you that you CAN host 6Th/s at home without the need of a datacenter. You CAN'T host 6Th/s at home using rockminer miners.

Secondly only US miners have access to low power costs. All europeans (like myself) pay a premium price for electricity and having the possibility to host the miner in a DC at $0.15/kwh is actually GOOD.

All miners already own mining equipment and are very close to their electricity cap that's why a DC where you pay the same price as you would pay home or maybe less comes very handy.

And sorry but any miner requiring 200w is close to useless when it comes to spreading the hashrate since the global hashrate just jumped over 100k Th/s  so that is pure BS.

How many months are you ready to wait for your dividends?

So you could host 2500W at home. Imagine hosting 6500W at home for just 6Th  Mission impossible!

Why would you assume that the spaghetti monsters will be hosted at home while the SP30 will be hosted in a DC? Why can't both be hosted either at home either in a DC? That would be a fair bet.

Also good luck hosting ~6500W in USA on 110V! Lots of re-wiring needed!


So a normal miner would be able to get and host an SP30(2500W), but can't get/host the spaghetti monsters(6500W). Great find!

You are contradicting yourself again. You are assuming that regular miners will buy 6Th/s rockminer miners, but they won't buy an SP30. I don't understand why since the rockminer miners need a lot more power.

Please don't hesitate to show me a big mining operation with rockminer miners that isn't affiliated in any way with AM or rockminer. Will tip you 0.1 BTC for your trouble! But I'm sure that we won't see it because it's simply too much headache to set them up.

Now that's an unfair bet. Why the difference in power costs? I know why. Because the big power requirements.

As I previously said no normal miner and no big mining operation will buy 84kg miners for 6TH at ~6.5KW power requirement. I can host my SP30 at home, can't say the same about rockminer miners.

Let's start a challenge. Go ahead and buy for yourself 6TH/s worth of rockminer hardware and mine with it on Eligius so that we can keep track. When I will get my first SP30 I will put it to mine on Eligius and we draw the line on 1st December. Then we compare the results. What do you say?

If you really think that was FUD then it means that you will take the 0.5BTC bet for Neptunes shipping this month right?

Since I can't prove that KnC is lying or not I must take for granted what KnC stated. How long until they package the chips? It's almost 2 weeks and we got no update from KnC. Don't forget that AM got chips in April too, but it took them 2 months to have working miners.


25 September is too much. I'm thinking that if you order now your unit will be shipped on 10th September which is 2 weeks earlier.


You really mean this? You really think that gambling on satoshi dice is the same as pre-ordering an SP30? This is the biggest fail statement I have ever seen. Of course hardware in hand is much much better than gambling wtf!

6Th/s worth of rockminer hardware would weight around 80kgs and would need ~7kW of power and you will have 100 cables. OK! Good choice!

Yes, but only for you if you buy a SP30.


I know, but it's a ROI that suits you the best meaning that the ROI guarantee is only for the unit, not for shipping or PSUs or any additional costs that might occur to the customer and it's only a desperate way of selling the low efficiency and big weight spaghetti monsters because you know they won't sell otherwise. I am sure that even with the dumping price and with the ROI guarantee there won't be so many client available. 32kgs for 2.4Th/s is just a big joke.