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2521  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 13, 2017, 02:49:18 AM

Even with my high net worth I bought an 1800 dollar car. Cars are bad investments unless you are trying to get some sort of business clients by displaying your wealth so that they will invest their money in you. Or to get a mate.


Buy a tank?? Tongue

otocar cobra



When I was in Afghanistan I always wanted to buy an MRAP. Get a sweet paint job with spinners.
2522  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 13, 2017, 02:47:53 AM
That being said, my first car out of college was a 1980 911 Carrera targa so I understand the desire. It is a fun car. Paid 10k for it. Paid much more than that in repair bills over the 5 years I had it.
2523  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 13, 2017, 02:44:39 AM

Even with my high net worth I bought an 1800 dollar car. Cars are bad investments unless you are trying to get some sort of business clients by displaying your wealth so that they will invest their money in you. Or to get a mate.


Buy a tank?? Tongue

Certainly practical. Could come in handy soon.
2524  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 13, 2017, 02:41:28 AM
Feeling like I'm going to be driving that Porsche this winter !

I am curious. The guys buying high end porsches, lambos etc... Are you doing it selling a SUBSTANTIAL part of your stash (like 20-50%) or is it something more organic like 1-5% of it?

Feel free to not answer the question for privacy reasons or do it in an ambiguous way. I just want to know if you guys are acting responsibly or like if this was free money that will keep coming forever.

I'm talking about 5 BTC at 5000€ since it would be a used 911. It would be a substantial part of my stash (less than 20%) but more importantly it's about what I've spent getting that stash. After that, if BTC goes to 0, I will not have lost anything, only bought a car I maybe shouldn't have bought.

Currently I've got 3 cars, 2 donated, 1 a company car, I've never even bought one !

I understand your concern, but at the same time I can't watch BTC go up and up and not gain anything from it. I'm a lifelong fan of the 911, it's on my bucket list.

I would want several millions in the bank/real estate before considering buying a new Lambo. I like the old LP400 better anyway, but it's a rare classic car : even more expensive than a new one.

That sounds pretty much reasonable, yep.

From all the answers it looks like even if we all appreciate the fine cars, everyone here is also very conscious on its spending and that most of the time the "lambo" thing is more of a joke wish than a real intention. Good to know.

I was having the image of dumb guys with less than 1 million total net worth spending -maybe even before buying a proper home- like 300K in a new car... and it was hurting me.

Even with my high net worth I bought an 1800 dollar car. Cars are bad investments unless you are trying to get some sort of business clients by displaying your wealth so that they will invest their money in you. Or to get a mate.
2525  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 12, 2017, 08:06:34 AM
I'm frankly starting to get a new kind of trouble with where prices are going. Used to be I had to Do Stuff to Get Money from Others. Now I'm closing in on true financial independence. And I have no idea where to go from here.

Congrats. I reached that point too a while back. My whole life I spent my energy on working on making more money, college, personal sacrifice, business ventures, etc.

Now that I make more with bitcoin than anything else, and I don't really need to make any more money for the rest of my life (though more opens up possibilities) it changes my life goals.

Right now I go to work even though I don't need to. I have zero motivation, especially working for the military industrial complex. If it weren't for the fact that I have no stress at work and I work in a very relaxed atmosphere I would leave. Other people stress...but that is because they worry about their future careers. Though going to work is ok because it gives me a reason to get out of the house in the morning.

Even thinking about things I can do with my life outside of work it tends to come back to working on something...which tends to be something that makes money. I need to figure out how to balance working on something that doesn't drain my funds and productivity while not worrying about making money off of the venture. Like I want to help with this seasteading venture and can contribute in many ways such as running their network or developing some blockchain stuff for them, but I keep thinking that I would need to get paid to do something big like that. But a small salary would only be symbolic for me, and a big salary would not be feasible. And if I wanted a big salary I would just keep doing what I am doing now.

First world problems I suppose.

I have been reading The Will to Power by Nitchze to kind of get into the heads of the bigwigs that I might start mingling with (and have already started to do) as more of a protective stance to not become an easy target. I will be delving into other books like that to get an idea of the mindset and to enlighten my mind a bit.


Why would you need to get paid? Assuming you don't need any more money ... why hold yourself back from doing something that provides purpose to your life just because you're "supposed to" do it a certain way? Says who?

All the money in the world, without any sense of purpose ... may as well be dead.


I say that because anything that takes a lot of work would require motivation to keep working as opposed to just sleeping in and playing video games. It would not be fair to anyone if I started working on something that I believe in then bail once I grew bored of it or something else took up my time.

I might consider writing a multiplayer seasteading video game. I worked on games in college and that was something I enjoyed doing voluntarily. But it was on my own schedule.
2526  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 12, 2017, 03:22:59 AM
I'm frankly starting to get a new kind of trouble with where prices are going. Used to be I had to Do Stuff to Get Money from Others. Now I'm closing in on true financial independence. And I have no idea where to go from here.

Congrats. I reached that point too a while back. My whole life I spent my energy on working on making more money, college, personal sacrifice, business ventures, etc.

Now that I make more with bitcoin than anything else, and I don't really need to make any more money for the rest of my life (though more opens up possibilities) it changes my life goals.

Right now I go to work even though I don't need to. I have zero motivation, especially working for the military industrial complex. If it weren't for the fact that I have no stress at work and I work in a very relaxed atmosphere I would leave. Other people stress...but that is because they worry about their future careers. Though going to work is ok because it gives me a reason to get out of the house in the morning.

Even thinking about things I can do with my life outside of work it tends to come back to working on something...which tends to be something that makes money. I need to figure out how to balance working on something that doesn't drain my funds and productivity while not worrying about making money off of the venture. Like I want to help with this seasteading venture and can contribute in many ways such as running their network or developing some blockchain stuff for them, but I keep thinking that I would need to get paid to do something big like that. But a small salary would only be symbolic for me, and a big salary would not be feasible. And if I wanted a big salary I would just keep doing what I am doing now.

First world problems I suppose.

I have been reading The Will to Power by Nitchze to kind of get into the heads of the bigwigs that I might start mingling with (and have already started to do) as more of a protective stance to not become an easy target. I will be delving into other books like that to get an idea of the mindset and to enlighten my mind a bit.
2527  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 11, 2017, 09:15:03 AM
This all seems a bit strange. My original target when we started raising over 1200 was 3500 but now were here I am not really feeling like selling.

Am I being greedy?

Have I just readjusted based on where we are?

Decisions, decisions 

It's a good price, but the walls look hungry and lots of greedy noises from the financial establishment, so I understand how you're feeling.


i made all kinds of promises to people that I would invite them to the Caribbean once btc hits € 3000 and stuff like that. it was so unrealistically high. guess I need to tell those folks I had it all on btc-e...  Cheesy

In 2013 I told my friends that if it hit $2k I would charter a private jet to fly us all to Vegas.

Now I wouldn't think of wasting my money like that when I can retire instead Cheesy
2528  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 11, 2017, 09:13:23 AM
This all seems a bit strange. My original target when we started raising over 1200 was 3500 but now were here I am not really feeling like selling.

Am I being greedy?

Have I just readjusted based on where we are?

Decisions, decisions 

I think the same way. I have a number picked out and say at price X I have Y dollars...so I can retire/buy a boat/etc.

Then when the time comes I start thinking of capital gains and writing a check to Uncle Sam for over $100k to go toward their war effort.

I have looked into every way possible of selling my bitcoins without paying taxes, even with the advantage of being overseas. The best I can do is take out $38k per year. Which means not selling.

And thinking about it more, I feel more secure having my money in Bitcoin than in anything else in the world.

So at this point, the price would have to drop about $2k for me to not be able to retire. And even then, I put aside this year's salary to put toward my first few years of retirement. So even if the price drops to $1k...in 2020 the block reward halves again.

So I am at the point of hodling forever (taking out $38k per year down the road).
2529  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 11, 2017, 09:01:33 AM
Aaaand its gone

Me now  Cry

2530  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 11, 2017, 07:33:07 AM
btw...new ATH on finex and stamp
2531  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 11, 2017, 05:49:59 AM
new ATH 'round the bend!

Another weekend ATH?

Ok.
2532  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 11, 2017, 04:48:36 AM
How would this not devolve into yet another nation-state? The first thing you'll need is an army to defend it. Aside from obvious environmental necessity, I don't really see what's so revolutionary about recreating countries on the water.

The current approach is a phased approach instead of the whole Waterworld thing.

Phase 1:
Set up a prototype in a Special Economic Zone in a friendly nation's protected lagoon. Work on some of the engineering challenges and other things that might come up but in a protected manner.

Phase 2:
Move 12nm out to sea. This has more wave activity which needs to be factored in but gives relative freedom from most of a nation's laws (like when you're on a cruise ship and you have to wait about 30 minutes until they're 12nm away from land before they open up the casino). You are still protected by the host nation and have easy access to the resources on land.

Phase 3:
200nm out to sea. This is where the engineering has to have everything taken care of for large waves and sea activity, but you are outside of any nation's jurisdiction and can be a sovereign nation.


The Seasteading Institute and their spinoff company, Blue Frontiers, are actively in talks with French Polynesia to implement a Special Economic Zone with French Polynesia. I went down there in May and had dinner at the president's house where he gave a speech welcoming us and telling us he really wants to have seasteading flourish in French Polynesia.
2533  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 11, 2017, 02:52:39 AM
About seasteading, my fear is if a Tsunami approaches. What kind of protection would it have?

For a Tsunami, the safest place would be a seastead. Do you worry about homes on the coast due to tsunamis? Because that's who is affected. Out in the ocean the seastead just goes up and down.

2534  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 11, 2017, 02:39:29 AM
Thai justice is brutal. Who wants to be that snowbird sitting in a Thai jail for smoking a joint or calling the king a cock. Land of smiles, indeed.

Maybe we should start a new thread about:
-Where you can live large on the cheap
-saying whatever you want
-smoke whatever you want
I think that bitcoin gentlemen would appreciate.

That is what seasteading is looking to achieve.

Maybe not so much the cheap part initially though.

Should be an announcement coming this weekend that is pretty significant.
2535  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 10, 2017, 02:49:13 PM

I first checked the $300 video.... after being horrified by the ugly apartment (not to mention the bathroom) I switched to the $600 one... Still horrified. Why would I want to be rich to live like that?

Maybe I am a bit picky about HOME and not that much about food, etc... donno. Is there any other videos for living a "rich" life on a budget there or something?

No idea. Like I said, living would be 3k per month not 300. When you start looking at higher costs it is more stuff catering to foreigners so the price can go up quickly.

My friend has a house with a pool and he figures 2k is enough.
2536  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 10, 2017, 01:47:49 PM
Btw. For anyone who was wondering, I did some research on capital gains (United States).

A single person can sell about $38k worth of bitcoins per year and pay 0% capital gains as long as you have no other income (twice that as a married couple). That's about $3k per month tax free if you can find a place to live on that comfortably (You can live on $500 per month in Thailand).

Basically, If you are 30 and plan to live until 85 you only need about 150 bitcoins to retire right now, tax free.

About 100 BTC if you are over 50.

When you say you can live with $500 per month.... what does that include?

Home Renting? Electricity? Food? Meds? Health care? Drinks? Car? Gas? Security? Clothes? Electronics? Mobile phone service? Internet?

Or is it just for home renting and food?

There are several blogs of living from $300 to $600 or so in Thailand.

$600/month https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v61xbAJoQVI
$500/month https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoEYAl7Bk5Q
$300/month https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHP1OrFUZFA

But I am talking mainly about the locals living on that much. My gf has a 3 bedroom apartment she pays about $180/month for. Food is really cheap. Most things are really inexpensive.
2537  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 10, 2017, 01:10:45 PM
Btw. For anyone who was wondering, I did some research on capital gains (United States).

A single person can sell about $38k worth of bitcoins per year and pay 0% capital gains as long as you have no other income (twice that as a married couple). That's about $3k per month tax free if you can find a place to live on that comfortably (You can live on $500 per month in Thailand).

Basically, If you are 30 and plan to live until 85 you only need about 150 bitcoins to retire right now, tax free.

About 100 BTC if you are over 50.
2538  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 10, 2017, 01:00:34 PM
You can book it on expedia with bitcoins Wink

I prefer south korea (jeju island for example ...).

I currently live in South Korea. Have not visited Jeju Island yet. Will definitely give it a try. I have not been taking advantage of the country as much as I should though...mainly sticking close to home. I don't know why.
2539  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is taxation theft? on: August 10, 2017, 12:49:40 PM
No more than it is theft for you to drive down a toll road and not pay the toll. Or utilize the water system when you didn't help build it or better yet access the internet when how much did you help build those? Even the water company and telecommunication company you pay each month to use that service more than likely didn't invest in the system you're using, they simply maintain it and are regulated not to charge you an arm & a leg to do so.

Sadly for you, you don't understand that there are some places where all of those services are private and you are not forced to pay for them.

My water company, internet company, phone company are all private companies that I don't have to use and they have competing companies so you go with the best service for you.

Everything, and yes I literally mean EVERYTHING, can be taken care of privately without the government. Open your fucking minds and realize that taking money from people under the thread of violence is a pretty shitty thing to do. Call it theft, call it extortion, call it whatever you want...it's pathetic and wrong.

Who is John Galt?


I'm out.
2540  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 10, 2017, 07:40:36 AM
The only way I would get married is some sort of tax break or if I'm in the old age home and they give me a special dessert with my dinner when you get married.

Why would you live in an old age home when you could afford to hire and fire your own caregivers?

Enjoy life. Meet new people. Travel.

Be the boss, not an inmate.

Marriage is a great institution, if you want to live in an institution. I'm too old for that.


When I am 90 and I don't know better someone might stick me in an old folks home. Hopefully by then technology will put me at being middle aged.
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