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1801  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 10, 2018, 02:56:50 AM
My grandma is 93 years old, and she was asking me about Bitcorn the other day. That was a bit surprising.

Tell her to buy and hodl!
1802  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia on: May 10, 2018, 02:55:32 AM
we don't want the pilot project to fail due to a meth lab being made on the first seastead

Damn, I had high hopes for this project. Sign me out! Grin

Wow, thats a great idea. How does someone get to become a part of this?

It seems that you have to invest in Varyon.
I think the project is very much doable. The main difficulty is keeping it relatively cheap. We all know that given enough time and money you can make anything, even launch a car towards Mars, but if it costs 1 million USD to make a single floating platform the size of a Japanese micro apartment, the whole thing is never going to become huge. It will start as a "because we can" project, and end up being "we showed the world that it can be done".

I'm hoping that if we can do it "because we can" once, then implement mass production or an open 3D printing method, that we can bring the costs down to the point that it will be cheaper to live on the sea than on land. In most cases, the first seastead will be cheaper than oceanfront property on land.

An even bigger hope would be that we move to the 70% of the world covered in water and some future generation talks about how a long time ago humans used to live in those eco-tourism places where the plants and animals live in abundance...in other words...land. The kids would laugh and say "how would you float your home to your next city on land? What about the earthquakes/volcanoes/tornadoes/flooding?" as they laugh and laugh about the silly primitive people.
1803  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia on: May 09, 2018, 10:48:55 AM
not again elwar...

its been a year and same lessons not learned.
do i need to rehash the basics missed out on that are revealing many red herrings

Same project a year later, much has occurred since then.

I understand your worries about water and waste. I have every confidence in the very intelligent team that has been working on that for the past year. There are over 70 volunteers and at least a dozen staff that have been tackling every little bit of this from food to water/waste to energy to communications, blockchain, governance, etc.

I know you think this must be some scam because "you haven't thought about...<fill in your preconceived notion>" but no...it likely has been thought of. I've been in the meetings with some of the most intelligent people in their fields discussing things I've never even considered even after being involved with seasteading for 10 years. I've sat through a several hours long presentation on poo and toilets that I would have rather not watched (some people are very passionate about such things).

I have followed the seasteading space since watching Patri Friedman give a speech in 2008 about it. I have seen many projects come and go. I have not gotten involved with any of them because I could see they were only dreaming and had their heads in the clouds.

This project is the first one that is actually taking an incremental approach, not trying to create something in the high seas 200 miles from anywhere. Or just buying a boat and calling it a seastead.

If you don't believe that a simple platform can float in a calm lagoon and produce electricity and deal with water and waste...then no seasteading project will ever be viable in your eyes. This project even has a step before the platform where we will be on land doing much the same thing in the years leading up to production. The only difference when that finally happens is that the land under the houses will now be floating on water. Every step incremental. No huge leaps. Using technology that exists instead of pie in the sky ideas.

I have every confidence in this project and have even retired and moved to Tahiti to help ensure that the project moves forward as advertised, being perfectly willing to call out anything that looks to be a scam.

The reason it has taken a year is that they wanted to get it right. I've been frustrated at times wishing they would just throw together a quick ICO and take advantage of the hype last year but they have been meticulous with their lawyers and following every SEC move on this thing. And they wanted to move forward with something they felt was legit. They're an international team working on an international project that will be physically built all over the world with investors from all over the world. This has been no simple task. Even their comparatively low hard limit for the ICO was conservative in my opinion.
1804  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia on: May 09, 2018, 10:19:50 AM
This is the third project of similar theme I've encountered in my short time at this forum. Are any of you related or have you looked at each other's plans? Surprised I didn't see this as I check this section almost daily.

Refer to this thread from theymos that also references the same institute: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2418909.0

And this one, earlier but abandoned: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1964768.msg19532430#msg19532430

What I'm saying is that there seems enough people talking about this on this forum alone. Perhaps time to "synergise" and all that. I'd love to be part of something like this, tbh. Not 100% for any reasons brought up already.

The Seasteading Institute is responsible for promoting the idea of seasteading and trying to push forward activity in this sphere.

French Polynesia reached out to the Seasteading Institute to come up with a way to use one of their protected lagoons for a pilot project in the hopes of bringing seasteading technologies to their islands that are under threat of sea level rise.

The Seasteading Institute is a non-profit with a set objective of spreading awareness, so the Executive Director and one other top director of TSI along with 3 others related to this deal formed their own for-profit company called Blue Frontiers. Blue Frontiers will be put in charge of the Special Economic Zone being developed in French Polynesia. They have already submitted an environmental impact study and an economic impact report to the government of French Polynesia. Now that the elections are over, FP will likely begin getting to work on that legislation.

Meanwhile, Blue Frontiers is raising funds via an ICO at https://www.varyon.io to get the initial funds for engineering research to build prototypes and set up a construction site on a piece of land next to the lagoon at one of several locations under negotiation. They are asking for a comparatively small raise of between around $5 million and $15 million. The higher raise would get them to their initial platform in the water while the lower raise would require some pre-sales and other forms of raising funds for the pilot project.
1805  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia on: May 09, 2018, 10:08:55 AM
have your ico been put on known websites?
if yes
What are the sites ?

https://www.varyon.io
1806  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia on: May 09, 2018, 10:07:45 AM
The only thing I would be worried about is the amount of freedom the settlers will be given. You could be buying a floating platform with the ability arranging it however you like, or you could be buying a premade structure and signing up papers that limit your choices of everything starting from materials you bring into the platform and ending with the machinery that you're allowed to bring in, the amount of noise you can generate and power you can draw. I know it might be too early to ask but maybe you know how this part is going to look like?

The initial pilot project will likely be more like the legality of a business or combination of businesses (I guess like a market or shopping area? no idea for sure but we don't want the pilot project to fail due to a meth lab being made on the first seastead).

The pilot project is just that...a pilot. A way of testing new things in a semi controlled manner.
1807  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 09, 2018, 05:27:17 AM

Hitler's government was the people.

That's why I hate all Germans. Why did the German people send so many people away to extermination camps? Why German people? Why?!?

Same for Americans. Why are the American people always deciding we need war in the Middle East? Why American people?

Why do the American people keep pushing the Federal Reserve Note down our throats?

Yes, there are examples of governments gone awry... that does not mean that we can just abandon such apparatus for all purposes, especially when it comes to having rules regarding certain resources that are scarce  or shared or to keep in check abuses that seem quite likely to take place through an anarchic or a libertarian system.. and further, we already have multitudes of systems of governments, so we can complain all that we want about governments being BAAAAAAaaaadddd... , yet most practical solutions are likely to come through incrementalism rather than pure abandonment.. and perhaps bitcoin will play some role towards positive people empowerment.  Perhaps?


Whether or not implementing a more libertarian system gradually or not is not the question.

Saying that government is the people is a tool used to put blame upon the people that elected these fools as if to imply all people in that country support that government. Or to imply that the people merely have to raise their voices and the government will comply. A significant portion of the people didn't like what their government was doing back in the late 1800s and decided to opt out, only to have several hundred thousand men killed as a result.

Only a few hundred people in the US actually elect our president. They are more to blame than "the people" for his actions. A minority of people actually voted for those electors. They are more to blame than the people.

When the government acts by a different morality than the people, then the government cannot possibly be the people. No person can steal from someone else under the guise of being helpful. No person can murder innocent people under the guise of "protecting freedom". No person can kidnap people and put them in a cage under the guise of "justice". The people cannot do these things, only the government can get away with it. Thus, governments are not the people.
1808  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 08, 2018, 12:06:27 PM
Hitler's government was the people.

That's why I hate all Germans. Why did the German people send so many people away to extermination camps? Why German people? Why?!?

Same for Americans. Why are the American people always deciding we need war in the Middle East? Why American people?

Why do the American people keep pushing the Federal Reserve Note down our throats?

What country are you from?

Born in America. So I'm native American.

So, you hate yourself?

I guess...if the American government is the people...then I hate myself.

I am the cause of all of the bad decisions made in Washington DC.


btw...someone broke BTC...crashing hard.
1809  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 08, 2018, 11:13:20 AM
Hitler's government was the people.

That's why I hate all Germans. Why did the German people send so many people away to extermination camps? Why German people? Why?!?

Same for Americans. Why are the American people always deciding we need war in the Middle East? Why American people?

Why do the American people keep pushing the Federal Reserve Note down our throats?

What country are you from?

Born in America. So I'm native American.
1810  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 08, 2018, 10:40:44 AM

Hitler's government was the people.

That's why I hate all Germans. Why did the German people send so many people away to extermination camps? Why German people? Why?!?

Same for Americans. Why are the American people always deciding we need war in the Middle East? Why American people?

Why do the American people keep pushing the Federal Reserve Note down our throats?
1811  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2018, 02:56:12 PM
Is there an ICO for this baby brain technology I've missed? To the moon!
1812  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Difference between paying for a flight with bitcoins and using a credit card ... on: May 07, 2018, 02:49:04 PM
While using bitcoin may seem nice, there are a lot of  protections when you’re buying things with a credit card and benefits to it. For ine, you have until the end of the billing period to pay. You (most likely) also get reward points for this purchase, maybe traveller protectioj depending on your card

I’d much rather be ptotected with such a large expense

I've had the same credit card for the past 20 years or so...the points I've accumulated might get be a domestic flight...though the restrictions on those flights keeps going up as well as the amount of points that a flight costs.

While having bitcoin in my wallet and not worrying about keeping fiat to spend on such things means I can retire.
1813  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Difference between paying for a flight with bitcoins and using a credit card ... on: May 07, 2018, 02:46:29 PM
I have a hunch about what is going on.

Last week I was in contact with Jeff Klee, CEO and founder of Cheap Air. He was sending around a letter to frequent bitcoin fliers. Perhaps you got one also Elwar? They are having a problem with a policy change over at Coinbase. In response they are trying out BitPay as a processor. Perhaps this is leading to chaos in processing transactions? There is also an issue processing transactions from certain wallets. To use BitPay you have to use a BIP-70 compatible wallet. If you don't have your money in such a wallet then you have to transfer it to one, then transfer it again to BitPay.

I know they are working on this and committed to offering a bitcoin payment option. I use CheapAir to buy tickets all the time and if they were to stop taking bitcoin I would rarely use them anymore. Considering I have flown 11,871 miles so far this year, I doubt they want to give up my money or Elwars money.

No, cheapair has been fine for me. The flight I was taking was from Bangkok to Tahiti which is not that common of a flight so cheapair did not have many options. I had to go with an Australian company that flies to Tahiti and Bangkok very often. They only took credit cards...which is a huge hassle.
1814  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Difference between paying for a flight with bitcoins and using a credit card ... on: May 07, 2018, 01:08:31 PM
ID say the main difference is the flight will end up costing you a hell of allot more when you look back in 5 years. Airlines in Korea are accepting crypto though! South Korea in general has amazing infrastructure to use your crypto in general. They are being very proactive

Looking back 5 years I'm glad I made the decision to make bitcoin my primary currency and only sell for fiat when I needed to.

So every time I paid for anything with bitcoins meant that I didn't have to hold fiat on the off chance that I was going to need to spend it.
1815  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Difference between paying for a flight with bitcoins and using a credit card ... on: May 07, 2018, 12:46:59 PM
I have used cheapair.com for all of my flight purchases for years. I live internationally, buy international tickets all the time. No problems with cheapair paying with bitcoins.

I just bought a ticket for my girlfriend here in Thailand on kiwi.com because the only flights available on cheapair were $4k+ while the one I found on kiwi were $1500.

I actually bought the ticket a few weeks ago but when I went to print it out for her visa I saw that they never booked the flight sending her e-mails about verifying my payment.

I booked it again. I had to send them a copy of my passport, then a selfie. Then they e-mailed me with a phone number to call. I called the number and they verified more information, and now I have to wait for a third party service to get back to me to see if I'm ever so lucky to have the transaction go through.

I hate when I go from bitcoin back into the stone age of legacy finance. Everyone needs to just catch up already.
1816  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2018, 07:43:49 AM
I never understood why there is resistance? I dont get it, can somebody explain? 10k will break. Why are people building walls to hold it sub 10k as long as possible?
Usually the intent of a seller is to actually sell their coins, not to manipulate the market and "hold it down".


Here's another example of the fantasy world that you seem to live.
You know that spoofing and market manipulation is illegal, right?

I have seen this in a news article but have not seen any laws about this.

It is illegal everywhere in the world?
1817  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2018, 05:38:31 AM
Governments are the ones that go to war. Ban their weapons.
1818  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2018, 05:01:30 AM
It's necessary. Just a matter of when.

I'm not saying BTC doesn't need to eventually move over to larger blocks, but I support their slower, safer, forward-thinking, incremental approach to things.

I'll grant that Core's approach to scaling is slower than Cash's, but it certainly ain't safer.

Core is the name of the WALLET you trolling fuck.

True to form. Do you feel your statement has shown my assertion to be false? Because your reply is a mere irrelevancy.

You obnoxious fuck.  Roll Eyes

What do you expect? I'm sure if I decided to post in the BCH thread and called it BCASH, all of your friends would jump down my throat. If you can't bare to refer to BTC as Bitcoin, then just refer to it as BTC here. Fair enough?

Actually, calling it bcash on the BCH/USD Wall Observer thread is not only accepted, but encouraged.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3386487.msg35480059#msg35480059
1819  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Floating Island Project - French Polynesia on: May 07, 2018, 03:11:55 AM
Yes, It is not strange at all, because some of the Dutch people are living in floating houses on the canals. {Houseboats} You also have a total of 100.000 legally placed houseboats in The Netherlands, of which 2400 is in Amsterdam.  Grin

Just look what is happening in the UK for instance :  https://www.ft.com/content/9f3a3b7e-6aa6-11e6-a0b1-d87a9fea034f ... I have to say, this was one of the reasons why I was pulled towards this thread. It looks very romantic and it would even be better, if it was done in this way. <Giving you total Independence from specific countries>  Wink

Interestingly enough the architecture firm doing the design of the Blue Frontiers seasteads is a Dutch firm who built a floating pavilion in Rotterdam. Blue21

They have some great expertise on these types of things and will be a valuable asset going forward.
1820  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2018, 03:08:54 AM
Sorry BCash shilling fucktards, but your goose is cooked. You lost. It's over. In fact, BCash never stood a chance. It was DOA.

OTOH, BCH/BTC is quite positive -- ~20% -- on the week.

Cheers!

I actually started to pull out my private keys to start dumping BCH but realized I'm traveling and I don't have the full set of keys available. Oh well, will wait for the next pump.
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