Blue Frontiers actually gets the whole "pirate" question a lot. So much that they added it to the bitcointalk ICO thread:  |
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the elon muskit virus is spreading !!! Hey everyone, I recently did this video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPdnG03eI58) showing some of the recent Deception and Misdirection that the ZCash team has pushed on us all over the last 1.5 years and ofcoarse more recently over the last week with the announcement of the Z9. ....   another shit coin exposed, Zcash aka ZEC... and this one has still a billion dollar market valuation... what a shame, and when the centralized owner encountered some arguements, what did he do? he did a elon musk, and censored the great user whose post you can read in the quote. I hope the market will not support such trash... where to short it? there is an easy divided by 100 here... from 1 billion to 10 millions (which is way too much already for such a scam)... OPM really don't care... and don't forget to hodl you profit in btc  . who took some off the tables? $936m... can go below the million now ... and who will be left holding the bag? I hope it is zooko ... I like how ZenCash just said..."ok, we're going to take your crypto that you created and pre-mined...and we're going to create the exact same coin but without the pre-mined coins". This should be done far more often with pre-mined coins. |
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Thanks for the link. The EIS was actually a lot better than some I've seen, although does not seem to include the piloting period to test any of the eventual environmental impact, at least for one-two years short-term evidence that would have made it stronger. The assessment does concede that it cannot predict the outcome of impact on new and unique marine life, which tells me TSI still hasn't had enough data from other or past projects?
I also see that only 1 of the reviewers was external to TSI itself, was there none from the FP govt itself? The legislation does seem to be thin (typical of course), nothing beyond the need for an assessment, with the checklist seemingly fulfilled by the report.
P.S. Not criticisms at all, just really keen to find out how far and how much is really known about environmental impacts of these seasteads, especially with pristine island shore environments
There are no past seasteads, this will be the first so they could not reference any past projects. TSI commissioned the study from an independent company, that was part of the deal with French Polynesia...to get an economic and environmental impact study before they would grant the legislation. TSI and Blue Frontiers delivered both. Now that the FP election is over we're hoping for some legislation soon. We will most definitely be doing physical environmental impact studies throughout the term of the project. I know it is not marine science but I will be personally going to the location before anything is put in the water and take "before" pictures of as much of the area as I can to ensure that the coral is not damaged in the lagoon. Other studies will be the various PH, chemical, salt levels, etc. They will ensure to have a "control" area where there are no seasteads to compare to. Being part of the blockchain group I am not involved in that group but we did discuss the desire to have all data stored on a blockchain, hopefully some monitoring devices that can feed the blockchain over time. We want to be as transparent as possible and believe a blockchain based setup would help ensure that there's no suspicion of manipulated data on company servers. Being a pilot project we know many eyes will be on us and detrimental impact with the environment would stifle any future projects so there has been a huge focus on this. We are not hoping to just not harm the lagoon but help it to thrive and benefit from our presence. That not only benefits the environment but our project as well. We want nations banging on our door to build seasteads in their protected waters...that won't happen if we're dumping toxic waste turning our pilot lagoon into a radioactive cesspool. |
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The ICO thread is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3708700.0Go check it out. Feel free to discuss seasteading in this thread. What types of governments do you think the different seasteads will produce? Do you think some will win out and some lose if people can vote with their homes. |
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Strictly speaking from a military pov, that's a very close cluster of money-rich targets. While one assumes there will be some form of military protection, this is too luscious a temptation to ignore for mercenaries and pirates. Expect pirate attacks, pay through the nose to deter, or pre-empt them. If you expect the established nation-states to help you out with their Navies, shell out some more, lots more moolah. Even if it proves workable on ALL other fronts, it most certainly fails this military protection test, especially in this post-modern world of drones, unmanned subs, and robot soldiers. Your only hope then would be for the Bitcoin (and allied crypto) price to crash through the roof; and this seastead to turn too poor to pay ransom or protection money. That won't stop the pirates from trying to abduct seastead 'citizens' for human trafficking purposes. Only solace then would be that they won't be using Bitcoin or Monero, coz they'd have crashed. Sounds harsh, but it's a necessary reality check. Interesting take on the conceptual design. Any number of theories could be created for something that does not yet exist. Even pirates  That's why I'm supporting the project that will approach seasteading incrementally instead of starting out in middle of the ocean. Blue Frontiers currently has a pilot project which will be built in a Special Economic Zone in a protected lagoon close to the coast of a French Polynesian island. This will allow them to work out most of the kinks of seasteading under the full military protection of French Polynesia (a place with no pirates, low crime, no hurricanes and will not likely be going to war any time soon). They will also have the full criminal justice system of French Polynesia so thinks like building prisons or courthouses and worrying about what to do in case of theft or at the worst, murder, has already been figured out by the host nation. They are currently putting together an ICO that is in pre-sale right now: https://www.varyon.ioThe public sale will be in early June. You can join the discussion here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3708700.msg36961869Or ask any questions you have here. I've been volunteering for them for a year now so I'm up to speed on most things going on with the project. I even retired and moved to Tahiti to have a front seat at making history with the first seastead. |
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Very nice project with great vision, wish you all the best. I see you have an enormous number of people in the team, where are you based?
The five founders are all over the world. The US, UK, Russia and French Polynesia. Most of the employees are in the US and there are volunteers and advisors all over the world as well. I don't work for Blue Frontiers but I support the project so much that I retired and moved to Tahiti to offer any support I could give and to have a front seat of history being made.  What is the minimum amount needed to join this sale?
Current minimum for the pre-sale is the equivalent of 40 ETH in ethers or BTC. Or 100 ZEN. During the public sale the minimum will likely be 1 ETH. Seems like you have a huge team.Where exactly is your headquarters and how many people are there?
Blue Frontiers is currently incorporated in Singapore but that could change. Much of the work is being done in the US, mainly the Silicon Valley area. a very unique project, making a place to live floating on the sea, but I think only the rich people who can live here because it is pegged a cost that does not seem cheap.
Last numbers I saw were about $200k per person on average to have a home on the seastead. Of course that's the average so some places may be single person bungalows that cost a lot or apartment units that cost less. The hope is to develop mass production techniques that can put out cheaper and cheaper units giving the average person the opportunity to have an oceanfront home much cheaper than on the land. When exactly your Pre ICO and ICO start and finish?I couldnt find that information anywhere.
The Pre ICO started about a week or two ago. The full ICO will likely be in early June as they work on running security checks on the smart contract with many eyes including a third party team who is well known for securing ICOs (I'm not sure of the name right now). |
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Looks like an interesting project, do you have bounty campaign going on that accepts newbie accounts?
There will be a bounty program. Coming soon (TM). Very original idea,havent seen something like that before.You decided about location of first of those islands?
We are working on putting the first pilot project in French Polynesia in a protected lagoon in paradise. |
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So...where are we on the chart with the Swamp of Despair and such? I want to see that we're past the worst at least  |
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The huge buy wall at $9300 on finex tells me the price is going down.
two more walls indicate we have further to go down One at $8878 and another at $8770...smaller one at $8630. manipulators gonna manipulate |
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I've been following seasteading for 10 years and this is the closest we've been to actually getting something going.
Hi Elwar! For a long time I have read his publications on Seasteading, an idea that I find fascinating. I have entered the site that appears on your profile, varyon.io, and I have seen that they have an ICO. I would like to know ... are you part of the project? Do you have an interest in the ICO? Beforehand thank you very much. I have no official role in Blue Frontiers. I just support the project and have invested in the company in the hopes of getting this things going. I retired and moved to Tahiti to monitor activity and see if there is any role I can play as it comes up (currently looking at setting up a bitcoin exchange in Tahiti as I believe that they'll need a local exchange if we will be using a lot of crypto on the seastead). I currently live in a house with others working on the project including one of the founders. So I can see first hand that these guys are working their asses off day and night. The money I make if the ICO is successful isn't much more than what I make if the bitcoin price goes up a bit so I'm not pushing the ICO to make money, actually had I kept my investment in BTC I would have made more money. I'm just putting my money toward something I believe in. |
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I finally retired my BitPools logo. Even though the website hasn't been up for a few years I kept the logo up because I paid someone 1 BTC for it back in 2013.
I really should stop wearing signature campaign logos & remove myself from them. It does get frowned upon by older members. I don’t need the money but I can’t give up free money for doing something I enjoy (posting on here). I stuck my gf's affiliate link for Varyon in my signature so she can make a little bit of money if someone buys through that link. Plus I believe in the project so I want it to succeed. I've been following seasteading for 10 years and this is the closest we've been to actually getting something going. I have railed against signature campaigns though. It has filled the rest of the forum with garbage posts just for the sake of posting. My garbage posts are for my own amusement. |
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I finally retired my BitPools logo. Even though the website hasn't been up for a few years I kept the logo up because I paid someone 1 BTC for it back in 2013.
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I'm going to laugh my ass off when decentralized exchanges make all of these centralized exchanges extinct...
"but muh regulation compliance...!"
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The Seasteading Institute is responsible for promoting the idea of seasteading and trying to push forward activity in this sphere. French Polynesia reached out to the Seasteading Institute to come up with a way to use one of their protected lagoons for a pilot project in the hopes of bringing seasteading technologies to their islands that are under threat of sea level rise. The Seasteading Institute is a non-profit with a set objective of spreading awareness, so the Executive Director and one other top director of TSI along with 3 others related to this deal formed their own for-profit company called Blue Frontiers. Blue Frontiers will be put in charge of the Special Economic Zone being developed in French Polynesia. They have already submitted an environmental impact study and an economic impact report to the government of French Polynesia. Now that the elections are over, FP will likely begin getting to work on that legislation. Meanwhile, Blue Frontiers is raising funds via an ICO at https://www.varyon.io to get the initial funds for engineering research to build prototypes and set up a construction site on a piece of land next to the lagoon at one of several locations under negotiation. They are asking for a comparatively small raise of between around $5 million and $15 million. The higher raise would get them to their initial platform in the water while the lower raise would require some pre-sales and other forms of raising funds for the pilot project. Thanks for that explanation... so it is related to TSI itself, at least through the shared relationship of Blue Frontier founders with the TSI management. I just checked out the pre-sale though and it is a pretty high commitment, pricing out even an upper middle class range, but I understand that a project like this has a huge commitment requirement (even at prototype level). Side note: any chance we'd be able to view these EIS documents? If anything else, this is probably the most important part of ethical considerations yet the easiest to pass (I'm from an island as well, with a long history of EIS-approved dam projects that clearly lacked a lot of on-the-ground realities). Yes, the pre-sale minimum is set fairly high. The public sale will be 1 ETH minimum I believe. I believe they're hoping the bulk of the sales come during the public sale, the pre-sale is a manual process while the smart contract is vetted for security. Yes, they released the EIS documents to the French Polynesian government and then made it available on their website. https://www.blue-frontiers.com/en/docs |
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How do people send bitcoin over email these days?
coinbase allows it. not sure how it works though but iirc the recipient gets the email with instructions on how to open an account there to claim them. EDIT i thought in the past there were issues if the recipient either never claimed them (never signed up) or could not open a coinbase account due to location or some such. those coins did not return to the sender. this was a while ago so maybe things have changed since then? [talking my book] You can use the 'textcoin' feature of Byteball to send something via email (or whatsapp or whatever) if you want to send some crypto to someone. Also, the claim back feature works flawlessly. [/talking my book] Usually there is a rally around the time of this event: https://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2018/Wonder if it will be the same this year. Before, during or after? |
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The huge buy wall at $9300 on finex tells me the price is going down.
MFI crossed the bottom Bollinger line, we are going up. Hope so. |
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The huge buy wall at $9300 on finex tells me the price is going down.
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Regularly when I log into my linux server as root I'll see how many login attempts occurred since my last login. In a day it is usually around 50-100k attempts. Of course they'll never get in because I don't allow root access from outside. But what if there were a way to start implementing LN microtransactions at the firewall level, or at least any login attempt? Sending some fairly insignificant amount of bitcoins every time you log in with a simple browser or client interface that you might not even need to click when you try to get to the site. Set it up the first time you visit and you're all set. Anyone requesting access has to pay (something like 1 bit) regardless of where they're logging in from. Something where over the lifetime of your access you may end up paying 10 cents.
But for hackers or DDoSers, they have to pay thousands and thousands of bits to just attempt to hack the site. Over time that would add up for the hacker and make it costly to be a hacker.
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It is interesting going back to old wallets and scrubbing them for "dust" these days. I went to my old BitPools website files and knew I had used a few test accounts to make sure the whole process worked with some small amounts of bitcoin. Turns out those small amounts were .5 BTC each. Around 7-8 tests. I had to write some scripts to scrub a few 10,000 keys files but it paid off...literally. Now I get to gather all of my fork coin bonus points. I'll probably throw most of the found money into varyon. I see it as more money to go toward my future seastead home. |
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