Think about something. What does ignoring coinseeker do? It makes those few hundred who post regularly here not challenge him and makes those reading those posts to not see any challenge. So, the other 10's of thousands who just read, start to actually be influenced by him. It is much better to "challenge" and debate posts we disagree with, at least those that have some assemblance of intelligence - which unfortunately his do. That is why I find his kind dangerous. They can look at you with a straight face and say they mean no harm and they are trying to help, all the while clenching the hidden knife harder in their hands. What some won't do for money.

Coinseeker - What I find amazing is that you have so much time just to say bad things. I mean, think about it. What is your purpose here? Are you trying to save others? IF you are then stop posting false stuff like BTC is illegal and other nonsensical things. Again, it is why you are so clearly to me here to manipulate the price. Wouldn't it be better to spend all the time you spend here posting negative things, be better spent posting somewhere where you are trying to do some good and not just be a downer?

Anyway, give this time. The AOL CD's (BTC wallets and services) are just getting started. Regardless of how well BTC does, we are more than likely going to see some very interesting innovations in the next 6 - 12 months. I mean, I am no longer an IT expert, many years removed but I was able to figure out how use most of the BTC tools and such.

Most are not content. How could you ever make a statement like that? We are in the top 5% or so of the world, right? I mean just being here and on a computer. And many of us, if not most, see the disparity of wealth. I'm afraid you are missing the point of BTC. You often speak of it in terms of "investing". It is a movement. It is a symbol. It is a statement. It may flop, but the seed has been planted and that is in part, why I "donate" to the cause. There is no failing in setting precident. This isn't about making money. It is about making change.

Remember in the days of AOL CD's all over the place? I was an IT guy back then and thought "Who the heck needs help setting up an account? What a joke? It is easy!" But see, we are the techy's (here). We are the leaders/early followers. We are just laying the foundation. We are analagously in the stage of going from a command line internet search (our clunky wallets) and going to Netscape Navigator (nice and easy to use wallets). Don't lose sight of the forest by staring at the tree too closely.


Wars with words has been "their" norm. The "War on Drugs", "War on Terror", etc. But, we are collectively waking up. Associate all you like. We are waking up. It comes down to prosectution and laws and as you can see, they are trying to pull an Al Capone on us. They can't catch us, not legally anyway, so they are going for the regulations. But, most exchanges will follow regulations. VC's will start new ones that will. It will be a huge snowball effect. They are just helping us to be legit.

Bitcoin is like torrent. Money is like Napster. Do I have to hold your hand with these basic observations. Again, this is why I see you as being manipulative. Your ability to communicate and what you say are at two different levels. It is easy to dissect your purpose here. I'm just making it easier for others to see what you are.

Overall, you are one of the most negative and fearful posters on this board. I see nothing in the way of an open mind. So, I imagine all of this is a challenge to your reality set. It sounds like being correct is more important to you than helping life to continue here on Earth. Being right is more important than taking a chance and making a statement. Sitting there watching everyone dance while you remain in shackles must be tough. But it's never too late to get up. Maybe we can't dance well, but we are trying. We are going forward, with or without you.

Dream, take a chance, do what is right, get away from the darkness and fear.

IAS

I think we are complicating things here, by "we" I mean you and a few others judging the severity of the DHS news.
First, regarding "not many options left" - that is just no longer true. MtGox is no longer the center of the BTC universe, though it is still too large. This news will actually help level things and probably open other doors.

Second, stability is a ways off. We are just starting the "government/banking" journey. This news was NOTHING. Really, they aren't even going after BTC. The reason being, there are no laws which allow them to do so. Governments at this stage are afraid to, and actually don't have a clue, as what to even define BTC as. I'm afraid, for them, it is just like Internet PII. They will just be too slow to react. The only thing they can hope for is to somewhat regulate it. The banks will push for that to a point. But, we are just too small to do much about. Stopping it, being that the world will likely support it (all the while having a float of less than 11 million BTC's) is not really an option at this point. It will continue to be attractive to too many people unhappy with the state of things.

Just look at the slowness of things. And, again, they are not even attacking BTC (maybe with words) but they are just making sure regulations are being followed. And the Dwolla Gox thing is really really gray. I mean MtGox spent, what? 25 million getting things in order in the last year for this? This screams of either being overblown or too little too late.

Anything is still possible, but unless the internet gets shut down or the like, we probably continue for months if not years before we see what can amount to anything huge. And by that time we will probably be too well established imo.

And if they do a few more of these and none of them stick, the courts are going to start to refuse to do anymore. Not to mention other countries are watching. The beauty of all this, is that there are so many exchanges and they keep growing. So, essentially you have a government/banking system going after BTC (decentralized) through an essentially decentralized exchange. Ummmm, they don't have this much time.

The anti-fragile nature of Bitcoin is already flexing its muscles. The Black Swan is here fellas. See sig...

IAS

Just wow, after what a few bears told us was bad news, we are basically back to yesterday's level. 116 Dollars now!

This is just going to get more and more interesting. Regulators and laws going against huge amounts of VC money and an economy screaming for alternatives in currency, hello Cypress.

Man, those were some huge buys that just went through. Was it at market?

I really wonder how much support we are getting from Europe and China. Here in Germany when the news hit, the prices were unaffected in large part.
As we go more global, it is going to be interesting to see how we adapt and adjust to news. I am looking forward to more good news from China.
Remember, we have next to no float (11 million minus BTC's). Once the majority of those stop changing hands so often for the purposes of pure speculation, we will see another run to a market price.
Where that is we can only guess, but doing some simple math puts us in the 100's of dollars per BTC, and that is short term. Let's hope we continue to follow regulations fairly well and that VC money
keeps coming in. Even if we become a Western Union, pay pal replacement IN PART, we are talking a valuation over $500 per BTC. 11 million float for a global currency is like a bad joke, at least we
have those 8 decimal places.  

The chart in itself is a sentiment indicator. The news driven "mini sell off" is also a sentiment indicator. I'd say yes to your question as we are still dealing with the same basic premise. Further, if the news stays about at the level it has been received, it is essentially no news. Interesting how it was attacked and run with as being like the end of the world. Really, BTC is an anti-fragile technology and the event is a Black Swan. See my sig. It does not mean we succeed, but I think we have a very very good chance. Time will tell.

ManBearPig - Nice chart and I agree with the reply to it. It is nice to see a confirmation of a bottom, thanks for the chart!

LOL, that is a quote to remember. Sometimes things just blow up in your face.

Coinseeker - Looks like you are awfully popular lately.

Please, don't come on here and try to justify your manipulation. Too many of us see through you and your kind. Be a wolf if that is what you are, but don't get all dressed up like a sheep.

I don't deny this may end bad, we all know we are in a big experiment, but don't jump over the crap you spew non stop and then try to justify civilized, all the while skipping over the FUD.

What is just the beginning? The price is going sideways and you keep talking this is just the beginning in so many threads. Do you not see your lies? We are in a volatile thing/market.

Free market. ehehehh, You are a great big liar and most of us see it. Hide behind your sheeps clothing my friend. It doesn't fool many of us. This is a thread about walls in the price and to a larger extent about the price and some TA. You are coming on and not taking a breather, just spewing more and more attacks. And then you pad them with "But I never hid the fact that I want the price to come down."  And as another poster said you speak opinions like they were facts. Manipulator.

I don't want to intimidate you. I want you to see that we see your lies. I wear my heart, I wish you could say the same. The scary thing is, if what you say is true, you believe your own lies.

Yeah, I guess greed is a big part of it. We reap what we sow though. It is just amazing to see someone smiling all the while stabbing others in the back. I am sure they know this, if not that is a psychopath. And I'm not name calling, I'm name finding and placing.

I think he and others reading his posts just need to be reminded, that is where we come in. 

I get a real mixed message from you but the manipulative part is clear. It is the honest part that isn't so clear. You try to keep things professional with your words, sort of like a banker in a suite, but your message isn't exactly in line with your professionalism, sort of like a banker in a suite.  
For example, none of us had a full story regarding the DHS thing with Dwolla. Well, how can you come out and say things are heading down, this sounds real bad, etc? The most we can say is what the statement said, but you took that and created a whole story and gave every body an easy way out - sell.
You are showing your true agenda - you want the price of BTC down, whether or not it is for you to buy in lower we don't know. My guess is no, because being ingenuine in order to buy lower (by helping a panic sell to occur) is being ingenuine in the end. That is clearly not what BTC is about.

And yet you try to convey this image of being a good person. You bring up your wife and how you talk about those crazies on the forum. Hello... you are sort of one of them in many of our eyes. And again, it is because of this in-genuine odor you give off. Many won't bring it up to you for you on probably on ignore. Anyway, I don't dislike you, I just don't have respect for you method of manipulation and manipulation in general. If you question what many of us see in you, just re-read the posts, I did, and it is clear what you are. A smile is only skin deep. Give it a rest and be what you are... that is genuine.

Remember, It's about sharing...

So, there was just a small fire because DHS is trying to crack down on online gambling. First, I feel safer and second, look at all those who showed their true colors with this blip of news.

We are still in this sideways price channel on essentially, no news and some people online trying to create a sell off.

$115 and the same wall at $120.

If anyone is interested, frozenlock and coinseeker have now used their BTC profits in a joint venture.
Others have obviously invested some funds as well:

You should probably just stay away then. You knew what BTC meant when you got in.
This is not an investment, it's a movement.
Use that conference money on setting up a nice IRA...

It took over 4 years. I'd say longer than expected.

Come on China, EU, - DHS can't take you down.  

Where does it say anything about other businesses outside of Dwolla?

DHS mostly takes down sports streaming websites (terrorist hangout). 

A centralized way of funding? Isn't that the very problem we are talking about though?

And you are clearly a Bear?