OK, since this is a matter of some urgency and my pre-planned vacation is going to take 2 full weeks from most of my time, let's get the ball rolling and consult the community. Here is an excerpt from my PM to Cayce regarding this huge event designed to not just promote Pinkcoin and reach real-world communities across the globe directly AND, above all, make a huge and permanent impact and a viable, usable alt currency exposed to the real world, through (idealistically) the regular media as well as social networks.

All these projects would need to be programmed and carried out in a series of steps, but to hit the ground running, the initial main one would require the biggest investment due to scope and outreach and because it would happen soonest -pressure in terms of time is enormous, for a bunch of reasons-, idealistically on July 20th as WORLDWIDE PINKCOIN DAY. Now, as I expressed in my previous PM, a lot of contacts would have been made by them with all kinds or organizations and corporations. Idealistically, some sponsorships would have been obtained but whatever funds due to sponsorships are collected they would be kept for future steps. First one has to be fully paid for by the community. And it is big: At least 10 top cities in the world should be targeted (more better) and, like I pointed out in my PM, minimal actual expenses are quite big, i.e: printed materials, transport, shipping expenses, t-shirts, cards... etc. All of those have to be paid in FIAT, of course. Now, target cities will include, besides Toronto if we can time the event there to coincide with WORLDWIDE PINKCOIN DAY: Los Angeles, New York, London, Madrid, Paris, Barcelona, Rome, Munich, Moscow and Tokyo, at the minimum. More better. Obviously community involvement would be of enormous help, both budgetwise and to increase the number of cities covered. But just make the calculations and you will find that 20 t-shirts per city equals 200 shirts (I suggest a massive order of more than 1,000 units to not only cover this even but also raise funds by selling the rest ourselves and keep enough for future events, through a PINKCOIN SHOP--another part of the master plan). The printing materials, including a big banner per city and cards -maybe USB ones?-, are also costly and finally the mail expenses, the cost of shipping these materials to the organizers of the events in each city. I'll leave to you to figure out the costs of all these things. BESIDES those costs, organizers in each city should be compensated -when not volunteer members, in Pinkcoin, at the rate of 3 million pinkcoins per city. This is very modest and will provide extra incentive to the organizers to push the events and the ultimate success of the coin. My compensation for designing, directing, organizing -in Los Angeles-and promoting the event as well as contacting as many potential investors for this and subsequent events, would be 15 million pinkcoins.

I know the costs are significant but if you look at it from the perspective of the potential coverage -and more importantly- potential results, it is really pocket change in fiat. And if the results are even minimally successful, they should pay in spades at the marketplace.

As a follow up to the event, the organizers should take every advantage possible, especially of significant bounties, to facilitate the adoption of the coin by local establishments.

Please be aware that all of this does NOT include materials, goods and mail expenses and that another 500K pinkcoins per city should be given for public distribution (@ 1,000 per person) thus increasing the cost by approximately another 5 million pink coins.

And what will you get? At the very minimum a historic photographically (and videographically) documented worldwide event, an absolute first in Crypto, and a quite singular even, period with huge potential of local coverage in radio, TV and press and insured promotion through social media including the PINKCOIN CHANNEL non YouTube (to be created), plus coverage in the entire blogosphere in tech and crypto as well as the most respected media outlets, such a Wired or Coindesk, not to mention Yahoo news and many others. Expected massive adoption by at the very least a high percentage of new people to crypto that will be lured by the 1,000 gifts. Some potential adoption by local merchants that would be promoted and included in the database of merchants that accept Pink Coin in exchange for goods and services. And last but by no means least, the extremely valuable potential sponsorship of corporations and organizations at the local, national and worldwide level.

By comparison, Blackcoin recently hired a PR company that will do very little more that distribute three press releases in 90 days for a cost of $30K plus. Also the whole thing would more than pay for itself if it means that the price of Pink Coin rises by a mere 15-20%. I point this out to put things in a bit of perspective.

I hope this will give you a general vision of what this huge event could be and could mean and, also, the sense or urgency to get with it as soon as possible for we are dealing with Crypto time, which is a much faster proposition than regular time.

My rough estimation of costs is, as you can see, around 50 million Pinks plus, at least $5,000 in fiat. That includes around 500 (instead of 200) usb transparent wallets at cost.

For those concerned, I will be paid in Pink only and like every leader in every city, 1/3 would be advanced and the remaining 2/3 liquidated  after the event is concluded and photographic and other materials have been provided to me. I will not touch a single cent -nor be responsible for- of the fiat required to pay for printing and promotional materials as well as transport and mailing of such. In addition to managing, and promoting the event, I will be responsible -and paid for like any other- for the event in Hollywood, California. The banners of WORLD PINK DAY will be featured in photographs of the event along with the most iconic scenarios of the cities involved and I would be asking for volunteer involvement to widen the coverage to many more cities across the world, they would be approved or denied depending on their demographics, the plans presented and availability of budget to at least provide necessary materials.

As fully explained to Cayce, this will be a humongous event with enormous repercussions that should support additional funding for bounties to merchants willing to accept Pinkcoin as payment in those cities and other in the different countries BUT it will be just a a gigantic FIRST STEP in a master plan that will be followed by many other activities with my involvement in them agreed on a case by case basis. Part and parcel of that plan will include the outright support or the good guys (most particularly gals) in politics all the way to the next 4-year guest of the White House AND, by no means, limited in any way to the US.

Now it is up to the community and the leadership to decide. No coin in crypto can do this. Hopefully we, under the slogan of THINK BIG. THINK PINK, will start to make history on July 20th by painting the entire world PINK.

First of all, that "guy" is not  nor he will be part of this. Second of all, I will be paid for my work or won't do it. Third, Donations will not reach me directly at any point, I don't want such "privilege" at all.

So be rest assured that you are now, as opposed as those other shady ventures, all included in THE WALL OF SHAME, in the land of "the good guys of crypto", where the noblest ideals and human qualities are the standard, as the first and yet only entry in THE WALL OF HONOR.

You not only take me for someone else, you also make the mistake of taking Pinkoin for just another shady cryptocurrency venture or scam plan, and you couldn't possibly be further from the truth.

If you are idiotic enough to still believe the stupid fallacy that IconicExpert and me are the same person, then I do not want your support at all. It has been clarified beyond any doubt. He's African American, I am not; he lives in New York, I live ion the West Coast. I have even posted exchanges via PM between IE and me. I put him on my WALL OF SHAME for not returning to the donors from BC their money...  I have been his mos acid and bitter critic (still plenty of posts about it on the original BC thread) so I don't wish to even entertain any more comments about the subject, but it is your prerogative to choose to believe whatever you want and act accordingly.

What, 3 BTC too much for you? How much would it cost to bring me down to Texas for dinner? I calculated something quite similar to 3 BTC, I did not choose the amount arbitrarily. You are just HOT AIR, a cowardly idiot, just that. Want to make it 2 BTC instead? Want to make it much more? It is up to you. What I won't do is share, ever a table with you not to mention the fact that I have much better things with my time than visit with you in Texas even with expenses fully paid. It was YOUR challenge. Put up or by all means, shut the fuck up.

Time for another addition to THE WALL OF SHAME. This time, it isn't a coin that is a scam. Nor a Pool, multi or otherwise. This time around it is a publication:

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Cryptoarticles.com is a blog or digital publication, that is the brainchild of Serge Schouterden and Jean-Pierre Buntinx tow crypto enthusiast that have found a way to obtain  a nice income by writing little "articles" about all your favorite alternative currencies. The blog also links you to relevant videos about, provides useful guides and even "reviews" of some products and services. Sergio and Jean-Pierre started Cryptoarticles.com in January 2014 and, if it is true what they post on the site, it has grown quite a bit in only 6 months to the point it has now 1,100 unique visitors and 1,500 page-views every day.

So what is the problem, would you ask? what's "shameful" about it? But of course, the wrong, shameful part is, you guessed it, MONEY. The reality is that Cryptoarticles doesn't include any real article, but just small promo notes disguised as articles and whose ONLY purpose is to bleed the donations, that are not just encouraged but solicited at the end of each "article". In the currency subject of the note, to make it even more precise. That is shameful.

And it is not just shameful in the gross promotional pandering, it also has an inevitable, equally shameful, repercussion: These notes are customarily posted on threads, twitters, etc by the interested communities that would do just about anything to hype their coins, and referred as "articles"... some times, to avoid the ridicule, as "small articles" when in reality are just pandering banter, nothing else.

The suspension of common sense and even the most basic rules of decency are, indeed, a trademark in Crypto, where reality has no similarity whatsoever with the real world. It is a curse of crypto and one of the main reasons for the regular people to avoid it like the plague of dishonesty and lawlessness that it is. Cryptoarticles.com is part of that problem, part and parcel. And, by no means the only one of that same short -as a matter of fact there are several similar blogs, in several languages, that do exactly the same or variations thereof. Including, of course, YouTube "channels" and the like. We will eventually get to most if not all of them, either individually or as the group.

Word of advice: If the site is not independent, you are not getting information, you are being sold something. Stop supporting other people's hobbies and demand real information, real reviews, real professional coverage. You will be helping weed off the bad guys of Crypto and providing a first very important step to get cryptocurrencies closer to their position in the future economies of the world. Help eliminate the bad players.

This was answered, challenge accepted and terms slightly changed. Naturally, it proved that "Coinasaur" is just another idiot full of hot air. No answer. No challenge carried out. No nothing. The words of yet another cowardly idiot. Welcome to THE WALL OF SHAME. Everyone will now know who and what you are.

Thank you my friend for your welcoming.

In answer to your specific question, the answer is no. As you know, the idea includes a significant amount of T-Shirts (at least 200, more better), transparent wallets (with 1,000 pinkcoins in each), printed banners, cards and other printed materials plus significant expenses in mailing and transportation. That's besides the work needed to put it out there. We are talking major, MAJOR real world expenses that have to be paid for by the community, not by a few individuals. And maybe you know how to get around those, I am not. I also don't believe in anything not carefully planned and executed under control and direction. It simply never works to the effect intended, no matter how nice could some spontaneous contributions may be. If we want to make a splash and gain with it major exposure in the real world, worldwide, these are the minimum things that are needed... plus the man/woman power to carry it out and, in the most important ways, also get the results both tended to and, more importantly, distributed throw regular and electronic media.

So I intend to ask the community for support on this project because money is indeed needed. I believe I can deliver on a ratio of 1 to 100 or more in the real world so the value for their fiat/pinkcoin will be simply outstanding. And it is up to the community to decide. The community, not just a few more or less generous few owners that, on their own, can and have delivered, so far, only so much. I believe Pink has reached a stage where it needs to leap forward, ahead of the crypto pack and throw in the ring it's hat, so to speak, in an effort to stake the privileged place that I envision it could and should have in the present and future of world currencies, not just the extremely reduced crypto world.

As part of that final (personal) vision -of which the event mentioned is just a first, decisive step-, Pinkcoin will -must- enter politics. I believe it already has, in a way for supporting the values and principles stated by the leadership of it is, indeed, politics. But I mean in a more specific way, more direct and more significant. Politics is supporting women equal rights, gays and lesbian equal rights, race equal rights, underprivileged equal rights. We are "the good guys of crypto", therefore we must do good. And that implies choices. Sometimes, costly choices. And tyake sides. Hopefully with the good guys/gals.

Like I said, I will present the plan, in specifics, and costs of implementation. Volunteerism is good -and dearly needed in Pinkcoin- but expedite, decisive action requires old fashioned work -hundreds of hours of it-, and money. I believe the community will understand it and, hopefully, will be willing to support it. We'll son see.

Well Fayoling, your Sonny-boy here has somewhat changed to a tone that is just the opposite, 100% so, of what Pink should represent. Let's assume it was just a poor discretion moment that won't happen again but these things seems to have a habit of repeating themselves, sadly.

I don't believe for a moment that the change in "boom strategy" so to speak has anything to do with the somewhat momentary changed tone of a few posters. Plus you had that hammer guy long before any other "impatients" here, anyway. AND this is not necessarily bad. As I have stated before, traders are not just good for a coin like Pink, but both inevitable and necessary. And, to be quite hones, if you have the change to buy in at 40 sat and sell at 63, not to do it is just not wise, IMO. It is, in any case, one more of the many effects some describe as "growing pains". Nothing whatsoever wrong with it.

The complains here are going to continue, of course, all the time, regardless. Everyone in crypto wants to make money practically at any costs... which doesn't mean Pink leading dev team has to comply with all requests or even respond to them (but if you do, do it NICELY, Pinkish, ok?). The leading dev team MUST keep the eyes on the price and the handle on the strategy, modifying and adapting it, if necessary, but with the final goals in clear perspective.

But there are complains and then there are LEGITIMATE complains. Those should be tended to. And it is VERY CLEAR that Pink has a deficiency in marketing as it stands. A lot of nice things are being done and many others, as you well know, are being considered. I myself presented a proposal to Cayce that I am sure you are aware of. People asking for marketing pushes must be aware of these initiatives and, after I come back from vacation, I will bring it to the community if you guys have not done so prior. For those complaining or demanding it, marketing, as everyone knows, is both crucial for a coin like Pink AND expensive, quite expensive. The assumption that "the big holders" should burden the cost is just not acceptable. Just to start, it would cost $5,000 and 20 million Pink. Yes it would be big but that is the initial cost -and it is very, very cheap, actually-. Is the entire community, those who own 20 million coins and more and the ones who own just 1 million, ready and willing to BRING IT? If you are not ready to hold your part of the bargain you really have no right to even suggest "marketing efforts".

The "re-branding" thing. I believe, as I have stated numerous times, that Pink is a HUGE advantage above any other brand. For obvious reasons: It naturally attracts the most untapped market in crypto -women- and is a natural for some other very significant and indeed important niche markets. It is a MAJOR ASSET, not the opposite. People must be fully aware that Pink's strategy is -as should be- major widespread real world adoption, NOT attract the nerds in crypto. We are "the good guys of crypto", remember? That stands for a lot of things. And, as I have stated before, it will pay in spades ... in the end and all the way through too.

What's the matter Sonny boy, a bad day at the office? What's with this "stop spreading nonsense" idiotic stuff? Next time take a deep breath, know who you are talking to, reflect on what you want to say, take another hour to meditate on the appropriate -and Pinky- way of presenting it and THEN post, ok?

I linked you to a thread where the use of the OPEN SOURCE latest features of RAZOR are encouraged by their devs. In what way is that "spreading nonsense" that I must stop? What other nonsense have I been spreading??? In what ways you advise me to word my sentences to "reflect the truth"
I not only "make it sound like its all out there and already implemented", I STATE that it IS, indeed, already implemented. The code should already be available -but it is your jobs, as devs, to look for it, not mine, ok. And if it isn't, you should be on the lookout for it... and be very GRACIOUS an d THANKFUL, for the very INTELLIGENT suggestion, ok Sonny boy?

Since PinkEE, white paper and all, hasn't produced anything substantial -or sustained, anyway-, why not implement something that has? Like the SMS anon featured in Razor, for instance... It is OPEN SOURCE and they welcome the copy/paste: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=644498.1080

It sounds quite pinky to me!

Besides that, a couple considerations for the longer term:

1.- Although the fad now is the coins with a maximum count very reduced (2 million and lower, a la Razor) the fact that Pink has 365 million coins total is a VERY GOOD thing. There are many proponents of scarcity as an element of value. Nothing can be further from the truth historically: Abundance of currency has helped every economy in the last 5000 years. Scarcity, on the other hand, has never survived.

2.- Along those lines, the fact that the value of one single Pink will never be too high allows for much more simplicity in actual use and adoption by the general public. Imagine paying for a bottle of water, "X" amount of Pinkcoin as opposed to 0.00000----whatever BTC? It is, in fact, a clear barrier for adoption by both merchants and public.

Make those simple but very significant facts known to everyone. They will eventually see PINK!

You just added it and him, no need for me to even investigate.

Now, one thing is scamming people and one, entirely different, is mining with one's farm during PoW which is open to ANYONE at all and you could rent double the hash power of him and, consequently, collect double his stash of coins. That behavior is legitimate and, in a capitalist society, admissible and not deserving shame for it implied a more than considerable risk and an opportunity equal for everyone. If that's the only thing you accuse Bryce of doing in Razor, sorry but it is not reason, in and of itself, to include him in the WALL OF SHAME.

As for the "offer" you would have to considerably sweeten the deal for me to prove it to you but since you can afford it (congrats!), for 3 BTC (deposited in escrow, of course) I would comply with your requirement. Think what you'll save in flying me, transports and that succulent T-Bone dinner.

The public apology will still be a requirement though. Deal or is it just running your mouth?

Yesterday, in a gesture that deserves praise and, hopefully, will set the standards for the rest of crypto world, the devs of Vericoin came forward, took down their anon masks (not so much in the case of Nokster, for he was already identified prior) and released not only their real names but also a professional bio and photo of each. As it should, the reaction has been extremely positive and the reaction of the market, equally clear: This is the way to go and from now on anon from devs is going to be a hard sell in Crypto. Again, as it should.


It is, indeed, very good, to know who are the people behind the development of Vericoin. Mind you, even before they came out, the only barrier they did not pass to be included in my WALL OF HONOR was the fact that their thread, this one, is self-moderated. So I was quite partial in favor of VRC even before the three of them, instead of just Patrick, decided to assume, publicly, the responsibility as developers here. It is also comforting to know that David Boehm is a software developer good enough to be working for Microsoft and that both Patrick Nosker and Douglas Pike are technologically adept individuals. Besides this, it is evident that the trio has a brain. Good enough to recognize, admit and put a tamper on their limitations?


It is bad, on the other hand, that these three are what is commonly known as "techies", which means that while the technical aspects of the development of the coin could be in relatively good hands, the other, vital, aspects of the process sorely miss. It is comforting -again- to know that not only they recognize this shortcoming but that they are taking decisive steps to fill the holes (they are actively looking for a "guru" to promote the coin and, presumably, to set a strategy and budget for such). The guru -or just somebody with knowledge, reputation and expertise- hopefully will cover the many shortcomings in that regard, not the least of which is the PR-impairment of both Patrick and Douglas, amply evidenced, unfortunately, in some posts in this very thread.

On similar level of importance, there's another huge shortcoming in VRC: Financial knowledge. Another -or perhaps the same- "guru" would be badly needed for this coin to have the solid progress that the community expects and is willing to finance.

Also on that regard, although the three are tech-adept, perhaps a unified goal-setter and designer of tech strategy would be advisable to decide which are the features worth the investment of time and resources for it is only human inclination to go on the direction we find easier to achieve results and that most interests us, creatively and personality-wise, rather than facing the music of the challenges presented by the competition or, much worse, venturing on unexplored innovation territory, both of which are way more important than putting out the new cute "gadget". As a couple of examples I will submit the VeriBit feature that maybe a side-necessity at some point but, at this state of the race, brings absolutely nothing of substance to VRC. Likewise the "innovation" of the "dynamic interest" a), serves no real practical purpose -produces insignificant results AND encourages hoarding, which is and should be against the strategy of the coin and b), has not been explained in its potential "convenience" in any way that anyone can really understand, even people quite knowledgeable and experience in crypto.


Here's where the greed/delusion of a part of the community plays such and absurd -and ultimately negative- part. The bios posted by David, Patrick and Douglas clearly show who they are: A young engineer working for the One Drive program of Microsoft (David) and two students of Molecular Biology and advanced teach aficionados that started mining a few years back among their many teach hobbies, one of which has been the creation of a very obscure website dedicated to review tech gadgets. It is so obscure, in fact, and so unsuccessful, that it was last updated on April of this year, more than 2 months ago... peculiarly enough, just about the time when Patrick and Douglas must have decided that creating their own altcoin would indeed be much more profitable than mining and, perhaps, even less demanding in some ways. That website may have granted them both credentials to CES four years in a row, but nothing else, really, was achieved after many years of dedication.

Let's take a look as some details: the trio are alumni and presumably met at Rutgers. Rutgers University is not precisely and icon of the US -or the world-  high education, precisely. As a matter of fact it barely ranks as the 69-70th in the US among American universities. Ah but what about their tech specs? Not much better. As a matter of fact it doesn't even appear among the 50 top institution of tech education in the world and, likewise, not among the 22 top such institutions in the United States. So "greatest" honors from Rutgers, per se, doesn't buy you a ticket to the big leagues. Besides that, only David actually completed a Master's Degree in Computer Sciences, while Patrick and Douglas are pursuing, as full time students, other endeavors going much more toward other sciences, most particularly Molecular Biology and Biomedical Engineering... not exactly anything even remotely linked to alt currencies development.

Of most significance, though, is the fact that Vericoin is, obviously, just a hobby for these three. A hobby to which they can only dedicate a very limited number of hours/day/week, to boot. As full time employee of Microsoft, David is more than busy, I assure you, trying to keep up with the much more successful advancements of rival Google Drive division. He may not have a social life to speak of -I don't know- but reasonably, considering his age, he should eventually have one... and plenty of money to enjoy it fully (especially if VRC is ever really successful). Either way, his hours of dedication are severely limited by obvious reasons, let alone the fact that there will not be any schedule pressure on him for this is, after all, his coin and he knows, tech-wise, more than any other individual in the team about the real challenges that is faces and what achievements are just inefficient gitzmos he creates practically while sleeping.

As for both Patrick and Douglas, I'm sure the readers can easily related to the time dedication and huge effort one must come to terms with to achieve even barely decent results when trying to achieve graduation in careers as complex as the ones these two are embarked on -Patrick two at the same time, to boot-. Yes in the beginning, and for weeks or even a couple of months, adrenaline alone powers the engines to seemingly unlimited hours or tedious -most of the time- work and dedication. It is, obviously, not sustainable. Come September it's back to REAL work and scheduled papers and evaluations. Rest, no matter how young you are, is eventually a bodily function need.

The conclusion of this evaluation, if I can be redundant, is pretty much the same than the markets have evidenced, from the initial enthusiasm to the sobering reflection: If it is to go forward, this coin needs much more than the very positive step of voluntarily unmask its trio of young and inexperienced, main developers. It needs qualified individuals, along those three, who can make of Vericoin the leading enterprise -worth millions of dollars- that it could potentially be.

The link was already posted because, you know, I give people ALL the information AND LINKS so they can figure out the merits of the claims by themselves.

Once again, you used -as you are accustomed to do- the term FUD to both insult me -who was posting ALL the legitimate questions and asking for answers and clarifications- and you just wanted to cloud that legitimacy and keep the enormous pile of shit that there is on CAIX under the rug so newbies could be tricked into buying your shitcoin -yours in the way of investment at least-. Such behavior is SHAMEFUL and completely uncalled for. You can respond with your arguments -even if they are fallacies-, but using the expression FUD as a launching weapon will, indeed, warrant your inclusion in the WALL OF SHAME.

Pretending to cover it under the veil of humor, I'm afraid requires quite a bit more brainpower than you can provide, just like pretending that sort of didn't happen... like you do here. Adding insult to injury, you pretend to promote your shitcoin here as if people who read this WALL can be easily tricked as the market puts your shitcoin it its corresponding position.

In the interest of full disclosure, I was able to take advantage of today's dip and I am now a ranked member -with a very modest investment-, of what I find to be the best community,  and one of the best development teams in Crypto.

Hopefully that dev team will concentrate efforts much more on putting the coin out there in the real world -as well as the crypto world, where still remains as one more of those color-named coins- than in pursuing unneeded features that bring nothing of real substance to it. We'll see.

For many, many reasons this coin, in my opinion, stands a more than decent chance of being one of the few that not only will survive but actually will be used in the real world, IF the required measures are implemented. This sell-off that has more than halved the top price reached just 24 hours or so ago, teaches us one of the biggest challenges, in the short term, Pink has: Still too many traders in it and not enough long term investors. This is not necessarily bad, at this stage of the run, because it means action and action means widespread trading and, ultimately, adoption in all exchanges, which is both necessary and good. But we have to keep in mind that is Pink is to be adopted in the real world, there has to be stability in price: A merchant that accepts payment in Pink cannot lose half of what he took as payment in a couple of hours. But we are not THERE yet, not even close. That should be a target. With a timetable and a budget attached to it. It is just something we should keep in mind as a goal for the not so distant future.

Anyway, just wanted to complete disclosure so everyone knows that the positive things I wrote about Pinkcoin were not written because I had an investment in the coin at the time but because they were and remain true. Now, as of today, I am invested in it, as I stated I planned on doing. I know this kind of disclosure in not done usually in Crypto but Pink is not like any other coin in Crypto. We should hold ourselves to a higher standard. We should always be known as "the good people of Crypto", whether or not it is the convenient thing to do.

I firmly believe in the end it will pay off in spades.

Let's see if it works...

Hello,

In regards to the land-grabbing take-over attempt perpetrated by a group of "investors" with minimal stake in Libertycoin, I'd like to take a moment to clarify a few things:

-- These guys, the lot of them, have no idea, no plan, no strategy and no knowledge or experience whatsoever. They don't have money either. They simply
    expect the community to pay for the work or real devs of which they know not a single one. They are in talks with a "Bitsta" who, apparently, is capable
    of creating the new wallets that would be needed for the hardfork the intended take-over will require. That's the bulk of their "assets" to try and get
    this coin back on track... and they want to stick you with the bill, of course.

-- I encourage the community to evaluate who these guys are and what they bring to the table as well as the fact that they were the enablers of the scam
    perpetrated by Templar77/Carlos R. Torres Ferguson when he was meant to be ousted on May 29th with the full support of the entire (and much bigger)
    community.

-- Furthermore, I encourage the community, those with large stakes in Libertycoin, to come forward and set a team of knowledgeable parties to take over the
    coin, assign tasks to those qualified to carry them over and return Libertycoin to its former glory and prospects through an educated plan, the required
    strategy and the budget and ability to see them through rather than let the gang that couldn't shoot straight destroy the very few remains of what once
    was a great project.     

I don't want to start an argument with you but just wanted to point out the strengths sumgye highlighted of having a community engaged in the direction of the coin. It was the reason the team did all this work on anon in the first place as they are attentive to the community and work diligently to make this coin better. I think you should do more research about this community before labelling the community in for a quick buck. I have read all the posts and most of the community have been here for the long haul and we have picked up valuable members along the way like yourself. Your post disagrees with itself you are saying listen to me I am a community member and would like to voice my opinion on direction of coin. Great that's what we do here. But the part I don't like is how you then ask developers to disregard the "community" as steering the coin in the wrong direction. You just weakened your argument by saying your comments should be disregarded. The developers have continually encouraged the community to voice their opinion and even addressed the less popular ideas so I don't think they share your view of disregarding the community.
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Obviously, you did not get the point and why the word "community" is in two instances in quotes and one without them. I thought I made the distinction quite clear, obviously I didn't: The "community" - the part that is interested mostly in the quick rise in the price to unload for a profit-, obviously is going to be quite vocal about demanding whatever it is the current perceived or real fad while the community -those who want Pink to succeed and reach mainstream adoption- would rather have the talent, manpower and resources dedicated towards pursuing the general strategy of the coin. BOTH are legitimate but it is the job of the leadership to cater to the strategy instead of "wasting" time and resources in pursuing short term gains that would produce inevitable immediate dumps by those only or mostly interested in trading.

Like I said, both groups and their "demands" are legitimate but since the resources are limited and will always be, the focus should be in the overall strategy even at the expense of some impatients quitting along the way.

You should know that I have already labelled this community as one of the best in crypto. And there's nothing wrong in being in it for a quick buck. There would be quite a bit wrong with dedicating too many resources to cater to that part of the community and my contention is that PinkEE is probably a result of precisely that.

Thank you for considering me a "valuable member" but I am not a member just yet. Just a very interested observer with a few opinions.

Again, I am going to disagree on that. Pink should not pursue what other coins do. Not at all. Certainly not what Darkcoin or Cloakcoin pursue. And yes, people is ONLY interested, for the most part, in whatever fad brings momentum to the market to cash in on profits... which is quite legitimate and desirable ONLY if it is not at the expense of too many resources or the general direction (strategy) of the coin which is aimed, if I am correct, precisely at the non-niche general market... or just the opposite of the niches that Dark, Cloak and most of the other P&D coins are aimed at.

The "community" ask for all kinds of things, because the foremost interest of the "community" in the short term, is the price of the coin. That's why the leadership and the development team should keep their ideas quite clear and cater to the desires of that (part of the) community ONLY when it is in the interest of the overall strategy.

Completely agree.

Furthermore, too much effort and too many resources were wast---used in developing this dubious feature that, obviously, has not even called any real attention -not even the one Pinkcoin should not be looking for- within the crypto community, much less the outside world.

The other thing that is simply surprising to me is the whole idea of "contests" or other people's reviews made by either anonymous sources or "groups with agendas" or both. That is a simple waste of time, at best, or a discredit, at worst. If you have something of real value -and I'm afraid in my opinion PinkEE is not of much value-, technologically speaking, get a third party, independent review by someone who is respected in the field and then you sure will have something worthy of putting it "out there", otherwise it is just an exercise of interest only for nerds.

Hey idiot, you funded NOTHING. You got the exclusive for a top of the market fee charge to the community by advancing money that was guaranteed to be repaid through the bounty offered. AND YOU GOT IT. You just want to keep the 2% business going, no matter the cost. And you -and gatti and the others-, supported Templar77 when the entire community claimed for the IE's take over. Things change, indeed, but people don't. Carlos is and will be until someone really scares the shit out of him or worse, a scammer. And you and gatti and the others, absolute inepts, or worse, hungry for positioning no matter how doomed the enterprise. You have spent your money -which money?- here to get the exclusive of the 2% pool, a personal business, and, now, to get the sel-appointed title of Community Manager, just like your would spent it, likely, in golf tools, without having the slightest idea about neither, ok?

You are not going to take anything over. Anything of any value or anything with even the slightest chance of survival. And, by the way, who is bitsta? what has he ever done, achieved? Another bullshitter that never delivers anything? Will the real thing have anything to do with the likes of you, gatti or any of the others, ever?

Everyone by now knows who and what you all are. Bitsta is now the scapegoat? Try and sell that pen to what's left of the community.

Just like the scammer's, for you too the gig's up. Whether you spend money or not.

The Libertycoin saga continues. Those who supported the known scammer Carlos Torres Ferguson, aka Templar77, when the community en masse asked for as supported the take over of the coin by IconicExpert, are now behind this attempt to take over which is, in fact, just a very poor attempt at salvaging as much as possible of their stakes and that will be a total failure for several reasons, first amongst them, that none of the can tell their mouths from their asses in what concerns alternative coins, crypto communities, etc. But not only that, the likes of "gatti", "Shogun 40 AND 47" and several others involved, have, of course, no plan, no strategy, no ideas... no NOTHING... except that what is left of the community, should pay for their "efforts". And they have already started asking for money... good luck for that. Although if all those evangelists on TV can convince people to send money to them, why not these inept people wanting to salvage a coin that, just like all the rest of the coffins left by Templar77 in his path of coin destruction, was conceived strictly as a scam tool. These guys bring nothing, absolutely nothing to the table. But boy can they ask for money! If you support their efforts, just like if you bought into this coin at some point after it's listing not just on the WALL OF SHAME but across Bitcointalk in at least 5 different threads -some of the censored, of course, but not all- you can't claim ignorance.

What they are attempting to do, is even more shameful than what they already SUPPORTED against the will of the then burgeoning community's wishes. And you should, instead of supporting their absurd attempt, take good note of their handles, for they are everywhere. Get to know them and their ideas instead. It may save you money and disappointments in the future.