You will excuse me but you are way past the point of no return with me. Sorry.

OK, I have hinted at this one time before: "At one point there will be an opportunity here".... This is going to surprise some, especially the ones with nuts in the brain: I believe any purchase with the market cap under $10,000 is going to make profits in the short term (thinking long term at this point is just baseless optimism).

This is not a change of heart by any stretch of imagination, like I said I hinted at it a couple days ago. I don't believe this project has any possibility of surviving beyond a few months best case scenario but the market cap has gotten to excessive lows and it appears that it will go to the singles, at which point I believe it will become an opportunity to make some profits quick. Just take a look at the market caps of "jewels" such as Asic coin, Dime coin, Trust Plus... I believe under $10k market cap, the prospects of significant profits are solid.

I know I will be buying.

RELATIVELY OFF-TOPIC

In 7 days, there's going to be a huge rush in crypto to participate in an ICO that is going to make history: BRO. Huge amounts of BTC, in the thousand per day, probably even more are going to be sucked in there eliminating, de facto, the already extremely thin liquidity if the crypto-alts market. EVERY COIN will be affected, including, of course, VRC. In more or less measure, even the most established coins will see liquidity leaving and investors leaving to be able to participate in BRO.

For full disclosure, I believe BRO is an idea as simple as brilliant destined to be an instant success the likes of which have never been seen in digital currencies. In the short term and especially in the longer run, it can be extremely profitable for the demand is guaranteed. BUT everyone should be aware that the issuers of BRO will be left is a position of an extremely huge whale, and as such, will be able to manipulate the price in their benefit as they please. They will start collecting BRO from their games from day one, adding to their already huge stack of the coin. They can easy -and fully LEGALLY- stage big dumps in order to purchase BROs that they are going to need always at much lower prices. Rinse and repeat. As a matter of fact, it should be a strategy for them in order to maximize profits from the get go. Be aware that BRO are just chips, nothing else. The casino needs them all the time for they have to convert FIAT to them. But, in the  beginning and in the end, what they need, to support the profits of Brakout gaming, the COMPANY behind BRO, is FIAT, lots of it.

The reason I post this semi-off topic here is to prepare everyone for a possible temporary downside in VRC's price during the long month the IPO of BRO is going to last. Also, whether or no you want to participate in BRO, be aware that, besides VRC, every established and non-established coin's price will be affected, perhaps severely. Many already are. It will get MUCH worse, in my estimations. Therefore, beyond BRO, there will be many opportunities to buy artificially cheap into many cryptos, more than probably, if you are so inclined, into VRC too.

So be aware of the macro influences that are already affecting the markets BUT, by all means, please do your own diligence.

I guess Barabus is me, Loon? I haven't EVER flip/flopped, whatever your perception is. MY perception of what Kevondo does is just a self-serving hobby that in no way whatsoever benefits VRC. He does it for himself, no practical result, either way, for VRC. And I don't believe anyone cares who and what Kevondo is/has been in his personal life.

As for James, I have been a staunch supporter of his connection to VRC since minute one. Not for any other reason, initially, that ANYTHING at all whatsoever could only be beneficial for VRC which was doomed to go straight to the ground in view of the nil ability of the stooges to bring any progress at all to the project. AFTER researching James and kind of understanding his future use of VRC, I remained completely supportive because, frankly, he's the only engine behind VRC and he's the only possibility, whatever remote, of the valuation increasing at some point. I was proven right and his initial implication almost instantly doubled the price... in spite of what I was astounded by the incredible lack of brains/will of the community at large to give (to themselves, mind you) 10% of their coins... They have just doubled the price and value of their wallets instantly and yet wouldn't anticipate a donation which was guaranteed to bring them almost 30% more than the price was before James came in. That told me that the large community here, like in many other coins, is just a shitty, very shitty one. Kudos to the ones that gave, very few but, in some cases, above the 10% threshold. That is the ONLY comunity worth speaking of here; the rest, leeches.

As for James' reputation, the guy has to be a veritable saint to be able to keep the reputation that he has in the cesspool of vipers that the digital currency. That, besides the fact that he is as capable as anyone on the tech side and probably the most envied person in crypto. Again, that he retains almost pristine reputation in the world of crypto, is simply unbelievable.

Taking all this into consideration, I fully support James in and out of VRC but not fully supporting him within VRC, with no reservations whatsoever, is, in my opinion, simply dumb.

I, on the other hand, realized it was a shitcoin way before and tried to warn everyone about it so they would save their money but what do you know?
There are things that just can't be avoided. Like Einstein said: "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

The good signs keep on flying in...

I don't see any problem. As a matter of fact I was the earliest proponent of investing (in supernet assets) the money "donated" before the price of VRC was UNDER 10k as it was inevitably going to be. It appears it will be done at the lowest possible price? Another brilliant move by our stooges...

Where I see a problem, several in fact, is when it comes top the understanding of what the deal is supposed to be (James changes it more times thann I change my underwear). James/Supernet will buy 10% of VRC and, in exchange, VRC will buy the equivalent in value (not %) in SuperNET. How that is going to happen when only 20% of the intended initial "donations" are raised, it is still a mystery to me...

All this is SEPARATED from whatever DONATION the community decides to award James when and IF the price reaches the thresholds of 50k sat and 100K sat, both of which seem quite a tall order the way things are shaping around the altcoin world these days (within a week, and for an entire month, I believe BRO is going to suck in most of the already very thin liquidity in the entire altcoin scene).

Uh... the BITVERI bit -pun absolutely intended- lasted less than a sushi roll in my plate.

bittrex is not down. SEED is down on bittrex. Different thing.

I'm sure the dev is on top of it, no worries...

I believe -although I must admit I only understand a % of what he writes- that Kevondo is referring not just to the donations but the funds in the Vericoin Fund. I maybe mistaken, of course.

Now, all this said, it is time for James to recognize that his proposal, and request to the community, to raise 10% of the total coins in "donations", was a terrible failure for not only a very small part of the initial request -not even 20% of it- was actually "donated" but those who donated were a very minimal part of the VRC community.

 Pretending therefore that the whole community was behind the idea of "donating" (actually be willing to be paid 10k sat for their coins, at a later time), is just not even close to real.

James has a lot of work to do here if he wants to ever reach the goal of getting the VRC community to pony up 10% to buy into the SuperNET. Things would have to change quite drastically for that goal to be achieved, even with the timeline being quite generous in time... which is something that doesn't work in James' influence's favor, as we have been corroborating of late.

Of course BITVERI will save the day...rotflol

You are just unintentionally funny... sigh....

Hey, the way I see it, two SEEDS "better" than one.

Funny indeed.

I believe you guys should be talking black and shit rather than discussing ...me?

I may be wrong.

Have you ever thought of using the "ignore" feature?

Since you don't want to see anything that doesn't cater to your BS, I strongly suggest that you use it.

Otherwise you give me way too much more influence than I deserve: Your investment in this debacle is a terrible one, but I have nothing to do with it. I, as a matter of fact, did what I could to make you and others see it for the crap that it was but you preferred to be the smartest one. Again. To identical or even worse effects. Hey, to each his own.

And please, put me on ignore. Nothing that I can possibly post will ever do anything other than irritating you more. Why would you subject yourself to such a thing? I that take you are not a masochist... oh, wait...  

It is completely pointless to pretend that you would "get this right". I have already shown you proof, copy/pasted from this forum, of the vocal desertions from Pink of at least one poster. Fact enough for you of the "tainting" of PINK because of the "sponsorship, support and promotion" of SEED by the Pink dev team? Of course not. I would need and official declaration by the United Nations, the ONU and the European Counsel to that effect... and you would still cling to the silence from the Soviet Union and China... and even if they would also sign, you would cling to Japan. Or North Korea.

There's a significant difference between "Supporting" and "Promoting" in this small world too. Of course you need clarification. Gladly: "Supporting" would be the equivalent to tell people something like "hey guys, a personal friend of one of our devs, sumyge, is launching a new coin and we believe you could be interested. We support the project and will invest in it". Or words to that effect. "Promoting": Is telling the same things ... constantly or frequently.

Since you seem to have some comprehension difficulties -or lack of vocabulary, or both- I will add that "sponsoring" is, besides the former two, being actually involved in the project, "helping" as it were, in whatever capacity ... including acting as the escrow in the ICO.

I hope this clarifies enough the language shortcomings in your understanding.

Now for my involvement in PINK, I have been involved since Danny revamped it as something quite different of what it is now. I have explained to you, many times already, that I am a trader and that I have been trading PINK for months. But I also wrote both THE WALL of SHAME and THE WALL OF HONOR. And, in my limited research, I haven't found yet any other coin -other that the PINK that Danny revamped, in the beginning, NOT the current one by any stretch of imagination- deserving its listing in THE WALL OF HONOR. Such inclusion means, for whatever it is worth, my recommendation. And my credibility. And I put very high marks on those. So, independently of what my position is at the moment in Pink, I have the self-imposed obligation of telling the people that read THE WALL OF HONOR that the current PINK is something very different that the PINK I listed there and that remains the ONLY one ever listed.

I know that for you this would be difficult to understand, for it has to do with integrity and honesty, but it is all there's to it.

Edit to add: Oh and that ends my communication with you at any level, by the way. I would not stoop to your level or that of that thing above you in the posting scale. To each his own.

I do not post anything that is not true. If I monitor the rich list and it is not there, it is not there. OK?

Please keep your son out of this BS.

He has enough with having you for a father.

5 hours after last stake interest payment (already delayed significantly to over 25 hours), the top dog on the list has been paid a measly 68% instead of the corresponding 269%).

It's, obviously, not the only case.

Yes he hid that fact until it was posted here and then he obviously had no choice but recognized it. Whether it matters to you or not is as irrelevant as is your OPINION that "practically all alts are". This one is and, as such, is the obligation of the dev - and those sponsoring him- to make that know publicly and end the false pretenses that there was "innovation" in this coin.

Regardless of what you may choose to consider "very insulting", to post FACTS such as the obvious incompetence of the dev, demonstrated by the many flaws, some "fixed" some not; all unknown or not considered prior to launch, is not insulting, it is posting FACTS. You may feel very insulted, for instance, if anyone tells you that you are very short, but if you are Danny de Vito, you are obviously choosing to be insulted. Perhaps in that scenario you would prefer to be called LeBron James, but I doubt Mr. De Vito would have the same opinion.

And, by the way, the incompetence is at such levels that this guys did not even consider the limit in digits that would be widely surpassed by the absurd gimmick of the 269% daily, which any first year high schooler would have thought about in under a minute.

Not to mention that, at this stage, this guy is as clueless as anyone can be as to what the behavior of the "mechanics of the staking" will actually be.

You may choose less direct terms, such as "premature". Or coating it with chocolate and a cherry on top. I call it like it is: Incompetence and irresponsibility.

Another thing: The current one is the 5th iteration of the wallet. Even though there were as minimal as you can get number of investors in the ICO -which sold 67 coins total... historic, I know-, a full 12% of people is still NOT STAKING (the only lure of this project, because of the absurd gimmick) and that have been left to dry and lost 99.99% of their investment due strictly to the dev's incompetence. People investing in ICO's, unless previously WARNED, don't have to be reading the BitcoinTalk Thread 24/7, you know? That's not how this things, when done competently, are supposed to work. And yes, I am aware you have see it all... the only thing that I can say to that is that you were in all the wrong coins and probably their devs gots a much harsher treatment than this one is getting. I am QUITE SURE though, none of those debacles came with the recommendation of a solidly established set of developers of the only altcoin the have ever reached THE WAL OF HONOR. So there's not even a remote point of comparison, ok?

You sir are mistaken... and wrong as usual. I have never posted if I do or not have any SEED. I don't believe it is of any relevance since I have explained, many times already, that my "interest" in this project is related to the fact that the entire dev team of PINK has thrown out any credibility the may have had for supporting, promoting and sponsoring this debacle, as well as tainted in an irreparable way, the good name of PINK, in which I hold a modest investment.