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2841  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME on: June 13, 2014, 05:45:11 AM
VERICOIN

Yes, vericoin. In the Wall of Shame. Reason? They simply don't play fair. They randomly  kick out any poster from their IRC channel if the question, even minimally, the procedures, let alone criticize anything. Just not acceptable.

There are other red lights too. Extreme arrogance on the part of some of the mods AND their self-proclaimed media front man, which serves the coin and the community very poorly. That is inappropriate behavior in a coin, but specially in a new coin that has, technically, the interesting traces of one that could actually "make it".

A very deep change in behaviors, along with TOTAL transparency, is needed there.

Shameful.

Edit for accuracy: The dev PM me to tell me that the charges couldn't be right because the thread is not moderated. It appears so and I haven't corroborated the charges made by one poster that claimed his part of a post had been deleted, so, for now, that particular charge is erased.

What cannot be erased and I was a witness of myself is the arrogant attitude and blatant censorship exercised in the IRC channel, specifically by the mod "pcmerc". The dev pretends that only "racist" comments are invited to "tone down". Again, no racist comments at all and this mod ejected one poster that was questioning the presence in the VRC IRC channel of known followers or Blackcoin and Libertycoin such as "BlackHanhasdrake" and "BlackhandAfrikanos" as well as "Gatti". The media front-man was also present and witness of the incident.

Censorship of any kind and corresponding lack of transparence, gain an entrance in this wall. And while I have no problem admitting errors, when they occur, I will hold the people responsible for dictatorship behavior that I have personally witnessed.  



You were kicked for running your mouth. The channel is freely open to anyone. Just because you don't care for some individuals in the channel doesn't mean you have a right to drop your diarrhea of the mouth in the channel. Talk to them directly through pm or in the relative channels to the topic you are bitching about, which was blackcoin, libertycoin & whatever else you choose to stir up problems for.

Talk all the shit you like. My track record speaks loudly for me. I help a lot of people & get nothing in return. I do it to because I like to help. What do you do besides run your mouth?

Do you compile wallets that people need or anything outside of just the diarrhea that drips out of your mouth?


pcmerc~


No, the channel is NOT freely open to anyone. It is open to anyone who conforms with whatever the fuck you choose to decide you will allow or not, which is quite different and is as simple as arbitrary censorship, little man. The individuals in question had already had quite despicable behavior, completely unrelated to VRC -or any other coin- offering "cock", among quite a few other niceties, to a female guest... all of which, by the way, did not seemed to disturb you at all for you never intervened. Now when those individuals were simply questioned as for their motivation to be there -following a behavior of disruption such as the one they staged inside the Libertycoin channel, so it was not a capricious questioning at all- you, without any warning, bumped off the "offender". Why? Rhetorical question, I am not interested in any answer from you. Your behavior is poison in crypto and should not be tolerated. Certainly it will be condemned here and pointed out for what it is: SHAMEFUL.
2842  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME on: June 13, 2014, 01:27:43 AM
PROJECT RESTORING HONOR OR PROJECT LINING UP YOUR POCKETS?

As most of us know by now, the original dev of Honorcoin, scammed the miners he had lured to his coin and run away with an undetermined number of Honorcoins. The disappointed miners decided, some of them, that rather than lose it all -or almost- they were going to take over the operation to try and salvage it. "Jarvis" declared himself the new dev and announced the plan to re-launch the coin on June 20th.

Honor is, indeed, a great name. An asset. So, naturally, I looked into it as soon as I knew of the original scam. And, in principle, it looks quite natural, logic and even interesting. The project, that is. But, mind you, this was a shitty coin to begin with, if there ever was one. It was fully designed to con a few greedy miners and run away with their coins... and undetermined amount that could mean from hundreds of thousands to even one million or more, no one really knows.

When I looked into Jarvis' plan for the relaunch, it was quite obvious that the relaunch was being quite hurried. They literally had nothing. That well know scammer, Templar77,  had even extended his tentacles there to take further advantage of the conned miners. I uncovered his activities to Jarvis and that put a quick end to the "connetion". For a while, I even considered to buy into the "restoration". But I saw too many problems besides the obvious hurry. I posted the problems and even some ideas that I consider solutions. It's all there so you can visit the thread yourselves and decide.

As it stands, the project pretends not to restore the coin, really -which would be very nice if it were not for all the wrong reasons-, but, rather, to line up the pockets of the miners who mined it and were victims of the previous dev. So those holding hundreds of thousands of Honorcoins, of practically no value right now, will not just maintain the coins in the net iteration of Honorcoin but, actually, would receive double the number of coins they have. So will whoever buys in now for a very few satoshis. And so will even the scammer that defrauded them.

All of this is beyond wrong. It will produce a few (35-40 at most), millonaires in worthless coins that will never be worth anything because it represents an absurd distribution  model that has never worked and will never work.

Anyway, like I stated above, I posted profusely in their thread so you can read all the problems I see and also some of the ideas for solutions I volunteered.
Of course, they will continue ahead with their plan while the few satoshis the coin is still worth quickly disappear while they restore, without any changes -only a few and way for the worse- , a coin designed for the sole purpose of scamming them.

You can easily imagine the results.
2843  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME on: June 13, 2014, 01:10:44 AM
VERICOIN

Yes, vericoin. In the Wall of Shame. Reason? They simply don't play fair. They censor perfectly legitimate posts from their thread and randomly  kick out any poster from their IRC channel if the question, even minimally, the procedures, let alone criticize anything. Just not acceptable.

There are other red lights too. Extreme arrogance on the part of some of the mods AND their self-proclaimed media front man, which serves the coin and the community very poorly. That is inappropriate behavior in a coin, but specially in a new coin that has, technically, the interesting traces of one that could actually "make it".

A very deep change in behaviors, along with TOTAL transparency, is needed there.

Shameful.



The thread isn't moderated. There's no censoring. I've only ever kicked people for being racist. There is total, 100% transparency in the thread. Look again.

Well, in fact, that is simply not true. And you know it for you were present in the IRC channel when your co-moderator, this morning, kicked out one poster. And there were no racist comments whatsoever --he was questioning the presence in the place of well know Blackcoin and Libertycoin supporters. How can you say something that you, me and a bunch of other people present there, know to be false?

And, in response to the other dev at VRC, "effectsToCause", like I responded to you via PM, I am an investor in VRC. I'd very much like it to be successful and I stand to gain if it is. But I did not start the Wall of Shame to include only coins I am not invested in. I know this concept may shock you but some of us -or at least me- play 100% fair. Regardless.

An censorship, of ANY kind, is an automatic entry in the Wall of Shame, whether I am invested in the coin or not.

The THREAD is not moderated. Take a look at it. Go PM a mod. I don't control the other Ops in #VeriCoin. As far as I know, some person was harassing some channel members and wouldn't stop when warned. That's all I saw.

Anyway, my primary complaint was against you accusing us from deleting posts from the VeriCoin ANN thread. It's just simply not true.

And as that, the charge, THAT ONE, has been dropped.

Problem there is that you pretend now I wasn't there myself even when I told you I was. There was no harassment of any kind. The opposite, as a matter of fact, is the truth. And you were there. And, of course, there was no warning at all -on the first bump, there was an unaceptably arrogant warning  when the poster returned-. So you lie. Twice..."as far as I am concerned".
2844  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME on: June 12, 2014, 11:45:42 PM
XC(Xcoin) and now NEM.

If you don't provide specifics, it is really kind of meaningless.
2845  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME on: June 12, 2014, 11:44:52 PM
VERICOIN

Yes, vericoin. In the Wall of Shame. Reason? They simply don't play fair. They censor perfectly legitimate posts from their thread and randomly  kick out any poster from their IRC channel if the question, even minimally, the procedures, let alone criticize anything. Just not acceptable.

There are other red lights too. Extreme arrogance on the part of some of the mods AND their self-proclaimed media front man, which serves the coin and the community very poorly. That is inappropriate behavior in a coin, but specially in a new coin that has, technically, the interesting traces of one that could actually "make it".

A very deep change in behaviors, along with TOTAL transparency, is needed there.

Shameful.



The thread isn't moderated. There's no censoring. I've only ever kicked people for being racist. There is total, 100% transparency in the thread. Look again.

Well, in fact, that is simply not true. And you know it for you were present in the IRC channel when your co-moderator, this morning, kicked out one poster. And there were no racist comments whatsoever --he was questioning the presence in the place of well know Blackcoin and Libertycoin supporters. How can you say something that you, me and a bunch of other people present there, know to be false?

And, in response to the other dev at VRC, "effectsToCause", like I responded to you via PM, I am an investor in VRC. I'd very much like it to be successful and I stand to gain if it is. But I did not start the Wall of Shame to include only coins I am not invested in. I know this concept may shock you but some of us -or at least me- play 100% fair. Regardless.

An censorship, of ANY kind, is an automatic entry in the Wall of Shame, whether I am invested in the coin or not.
2846  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME on: June 12, 2014, 08:40:01 PM
VERICOIN

Yes, vericoin. In the Wall of Shame. Reason? They simply don't play fair. They randomly  kick out any poster from their IRC channel if the question, even minimally, the procedures, let alone criticize anything. Just not acceptable.

There are other red lights too. Extreme arrogance on the part of some of the mods AND their self-proclaimed media front man, which serves the coin and the community very poorly. That is inappropriate behavior in a coin, but specially in a new coin that has, technically, the interesting traces of one that could actually "make it".

A very deep change in behaviors, along with TOTAL transparency, is needed there.

Shameful.

Edit for accuracy: The dev PM me to tell me that the charges couldn't be right because the thread is not moderated. It appears so and I haven't corroborated the charges made by one poster that claimed his part of a post had been deleted, so, for now, that particular charge is erased.

What cannot be erased and I was a witness of myself is the arrogant attitude and blatant censorship exercised in the IRC channel, specifically by the mod "pcmerc". The dev pretends that only "racist" comments are invited to "tone down". Again, no racist comments at all and this mod ejected one poster that was questioning the presence in the VRC IRC channel of known followers or Blackcoin and Libertycoin such as "BlackHanhasdrake" and "BlackhandAfrikanos" as well as "Gatti". The media front-man was also present and witness of the incident.

Censorship of any kind and corresponding lack of transparence, gain an entrance in this wall. And while I have no problem admitting errors, when they occur, I will hold the people responsible for dictatorship behavior that I have personally witnessed. 

2847  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | PoS - Dynamic Interest | No Premine on: June 12, 2014, 08:03:27 PM
Wow, powerful imagery...
2848  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | PoS - Dynamic Interest | No Premine on: June 12, 2014, 07:25:17 PM
I'm not making a stance if this coin is going up or down. I just don't like the huge head the dev has on himself so I don't support it. I am not here to get rich, I have enough and support advances to cryptotechnology. Hence why I used to really like this coin.

Anyone else notice the announcements about futures developments constantly? How about just wait a few days and announce it when it's done rather than hyping it up? Too much hype means price inflation. Let the code speak for itself. These guys think they are the smartest people in the world, I have yet to see anything to back that up.

Hey, it's cool that I've got someone who trolls me already. I guess that's good news. I'm not sure if you've been paying attention, but VeriCoin was attacked by both CRY and CLOAK first (the CRY dev and Iconic Expert). So of course it was fun telling the Cloak guys they could buy some cheap VRC.

We don't think we're smarter than everyone else in the world though we do have one of the most elite programmers on our team (Dev3) in the world. Whatever code Effects and I can't get working our wonderful Dev3 can. Also, if you haven't noticed we announced and launched VeriSMS within a week of its announcement.

We pride ourselves on our openness and our ability to follow through. My primary issue with your statement is that you think I want attention, etc. but in reality the other VRC devs asked me to be the frontman because I'm the most adept with social media.

Anyway, just watch. You can think I'm full of myself. I think if I were highly egotistical I would have used twitter before we launched VeriCoin.

I saw you say on twitter that you guarantee your code is better than everyone else's. That is extremely egotistical and false. It is something that is not possible for you to know.

Claiming to have on of the most elite programmers in the world is just your opinion and comes across as egotistical. I am not here to argue with you but just stating my opinion. Let's stay away from calling people names, etc.?

I never said you wanted attention, that is a false assumption that you made. I said you had a huge ego and I am doing this to help you improve your situation.

cheers,

First, the appropriate word would be "egocentric", not "egotistical", that have quite a different meaning and nothing to do with the intended purpose.

What "kryptologist" say is true, regarding the code, if in fact you issued such a "guarantee", which is plain stupid, big head or no big head. Just plain stupid. And, of course, untrue. It is also true his comment about your statement regarding the "elite programmers" and Dev3. Where is the official ranking that determines that elite? Just because you own a Ford and love it it doesn't mean it is at the same level than BMW, you know?

In any case, you being the appointed "front man", should be much more careful in your verbiage because it is written, forever, so it is important what you choose to say.

Talking about which, perhaps some more hype wouldn't hurt the coin at all, pricewise or volume-wise. We are now on a long-standing (by crypto standards, that is) in which the price is quite stagnant and only tilting down. In spite of what you just announced. It seems that not attaching an estimated date of delivery works rather negatively. Just as a suggestion, to avoid what you perceive mistakes of the past, I would set a generous ETA, much rather than a convenient -for you and your elite programmers, no one else- "we'll announce it when it's ready". It would be a very nice pattern to establish, making announcements of features, with ETA, that are constantly beaten. It's called, in the financial world, "under-promise and over-deliver". And it works like magic.

You should try it.

Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it. My apologies on the word choice. I'm honestly not concerned about the price as I'm not selling mine anytime soon. I believe it will rise when people see VeriCoin's utility. The mistake in the past that we are trying to stay away from is people holding coin until a release and then dumping once it's delivered.

Let's break apart the egotistical claim

e·go·tis·ti·cal
ˌēgəˈtistikəl/
adjective
adjective: egotistic; adjective: egotistical

    excessively conceited or absorbed in oneself; self-centered.
    "he's selfish, egotistical, and arrogant"
    synonyms:   self-centered, selfish, egocentric, egomaniacal, self-interested, self-seeking, self-absorbed, narcissistic, vain, conceited, self-important; More

I'd like to focus on the self-interested part of the definition. I'd argue that the claim that the code will be better than anyone else's is based on the skill of the team, not on pnosker's personal skill. If he was the only developer on this coin I agree it would seem somewhat self-aggrandizing to shout "I have the best code!!1". To me it just came off as being excited in the team and confidence that the team would produce something remarkable. It is probably justified based off of the friends that pnosker has such as Dan Kaminsky. If it were anonymous coin dev #101,321 I'd roll my eyes, but in this case I don't mind it.

I think Barabbas has a good point about setting a generous ETA that you think you can beat. I think it's ok to allow hype to build up. For better or worse the best promotional tool in crypto is a rising price. Some of the holders of this coin are really sweet, honest folk but they also have a lot on the line. Some of them have an uncomfortable amount of money on the line. It might put them at ease if they could at least have some idea of when things are expected rather than biting their nails in anticipation.

Also, I don't think the price tanked just because of the "buy the rumor, sell the news" effect. There are multiple factors at play here. I'll list them in order of importance below:
  • Bitcoin price began floundering earlier this week which has hit the whole alt market, not just this coin.
  • For better or worse, there is a perception in the community right now that the anon is the killer app. SMS in my opinion will drive investment from actual business investors, but anon is the hype feature. The fact that it is floating around with no ETA is whale bait that they are using to seed uncertainty and cause smaller holders to get scared and jump ship.

I agree 100%.

The only problem with hype arises from inability to deliver on the promises. But it is VERY important, in my opinion, that the buzz continues for a new coin like this to reach the prominence it may end up deserving... and it is not even close to there yet. Why not hyping Verisend. If you estimate that you will have it ready, or ready for public testing, in a week, why not announce an ETA of 10 days, giving you that way the margin in case delays occur? If those delays don't occur, you will over-deliver and the buzz will be enormous. Much more so if you begin to establish a pattern of over-delivery (that also applies to additional features that you may want to include along with Verisend).

You, pnosker, say you don't care about the price. But you should. And, actually, you do. Because just after affirming such, on the next phrase, you admit to having decided in this misguided (my opinion) policy, you point out that the reason for it is to try to avoid the dumpings of the past. Well, you cannot avoid the most usual practice by daytraders on any market: Buy the rumor sell the news. Nor should you concern yourself about that at all. The market will do what the market will do, but the obligation of a media front man is to keep the product alive and buzzing in the media. That, you can control and should promote -along with the entire community-; the market you can't.
2849  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME on: June 12, 2014, 07:04:13 PM
some crap

Btw, I fail to understand why do you want to meet? To rob me? I have never received such a strange request of meeting over the Internet.

FUCKING Strange.

You just confirmed again ICONICEXPERT = BARABBAS = CHRISTOPHER BOUZY = NIGERIAN FUCKING SCAMMER

Nothing strange, little boy. Rob you INSIDE a police station? But you won't do it because you just want to spread your racist nonsense...

Seems legit.

Anyway, DONE with the retards for today.

PS.- Yevgeniy, these fan-boys don't make you look good one bit, but hey you can't look good under any light so I guess trying to litter the thread is all you want to do. Fine with me.
2850  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | PoS - Dynamic Interest | No Premine on: June 12, 2014, 06:56:19 PM
I'm not making a stance if this coin is going up or down. I just don't like the huge head the dev has on himself so I don't support it. I am not here to get rich, I have enough and support advances to cryptotechnology. Hence why I used to really like this coin.

Anyone else notice the announcements about futures developments constantly? How about just wait a few days and announce it when it's done rather than hyping it up? Too much hype means price inflation. Let the code speak for itself. These guys think they are the smartest people in the world, I have yet to see anything to back that up.

Hey, it's cool that I've got someone who trolls me already. I guess that's good news. I'm not sure if you've been paying attention, but VeriCoin was attacked by both CRY and CLOAK first (the CRY dev and Iconic Expert). So of course it was fun telling the Cloak guys they could buy some cheap VRC.

We don't think we're smarter than everyone else in the world though we do have one of the most elite programmers on our team (Dev3) in the world. Whatever code Effects and I can't get working our wonderful Dev3 can. Also, if you haven't noticed we announced and launched VeriSMS within a week of its announcement.

We pride ourselves on our openness and our ability to follow through. My primary issue with your statement is that you think I want attention, etc. but in reality the other VRC devs asked me to be the frontman because I'm the most adept with social media.

Anyway, just watch. You can think I'm full of myself. I think if I were highly egotistical I would have used twitter before we launched VeriCoin.

I saw you say on twitter that you guarantee your code is better than everyone else's. That is extremely egotistical and false. It is something that is not possible for you to know.

Claiming to have on of the most elite programmers in the world is just your opinion and comes across as egotistical. I am not here to argue with you but just stating my opinion. Let's stay away from calling people names, etc.?

I never said you wanted attention, that is a false assumption that you made. I said you had a huge ego and I am doing this to help you improve your situation.

cheers,

First, the appropriate word would be "egocentric", not "egotistical", that have quite a different meaning and nothing to do with the intended purpose.

What "kryptologist" say is true, regarding the code, if in fact you issued such a "guarantee", which is plain stupid, big head or no big head. Just plain stupid. And, of course, untrue. It is also true his comment about your statement regarding the "elite programmers" and Dev3. Where is the official ranking that determines that elite? Just because you own a Ford and love it it doesn't mean it is at the same level than BMW, you know?

In any case, you being the appointed "front man", should be much more careful in your verbiage because it is written, forever, so it is important what you choose to say.

Talking about which, perhaps some more hype wouldn't hurt the coin at all, pricewise or volume-wise. We are now on a long-standing (by crypto standards, that is) in which the price is quite stagnant and only tilting down. In spite of what you just announced. It seems that not attaching an estimated date of delivery works rather negatively. Just as a suggestion, to avoid what you perceive mistakes of the past, I would set a generous ETA, much rather than a convenient -for you and your elite programmers, no one else- "we'll announce it when it's ready". It would be a very nice pattern to establish, making announcements of features, with ETA, that are constantly beaten. It's called, in the financial world, "under-promise and over-deliver". And it works like magic.

You should try it.
2851  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME on: June 12, 2014, 06:30:12 PM
Keep on qualifying yourselves and trying to perpetuate the absurd and perfectly provable lies... You, coward, live tight here in my backyard. And I have offered already -to your other handle, but it is the same obvious, infantile, racist shit- a meeting in person. I drive. To meet on the inside of your nearest police station, the safest place on the Planet. But you are not interested in that, ah? Your only interest is to perpetuate your blatant lies than consume your racist and despicable instincts tower that guy, IE, who left to leave your scam coin, BC, to inevitably drift towards extinction.

By the way, Doge, Don, Dog, keep on on sending your minions. The parade is quite funny, new accounts and handles and all. You are still and always will be a fraud. And your Mano Nera-handled Blackcoin, a scam. Proven. Admitted publicly.

But this is quite funny indeed.

Hey, retards: The offer to meet in person, still stands. Name the time and the Police station and I will be there. No takers ah?

Lol. Getting flustered again Bouzy Boy? You are a Nigerian Scammer and the world knows it.


He's moved to a much better things -not a stretch-, but I would love to meet you in person. No deal ah?
2852  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME on: June 12, 2014, 06:20:32 PM
Keep on qualifying yourselves and trying to perpetuate the absurd and perfectly provable lies... You, coward, live tight here in my backyard. And I have offered already -to your other handle, but it is the same obvious, infantile, racist shit- a meeting in person. I drive. To meet on the inside of your nearest police station, the safest place on the Planet. But you are not interested in that, ah? Your only interest is to perpetuate your blatant lies than consume your racist and despicable instincts tower that guy, IE, who left to leave your scam coin, BC, to inevitably drift towards extinction.

By the way, Doge, Don, Dog, keep on on sending your minions. The parade is quite funny, new accounts and handles and all. You are still and always will be a fraud. And your Mano Nera-handled Blackcoin, a scam. Proven. Admitted publicly.

But this is quite funny indeed.

Hey, retards: The offer to meet in person, still stands. Name the time and the Police station and I will be there. No takers ah?
2853  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][HONORCOIN][XHC] PoS | Project Restoring Honor | Poloniex & Bittrex on: June 12, 2014, 05:45:58 PM
Just pointing out the obvious here... but "Free distributions" are, well... Poor for value, and poor for marketing.

1: Free coins can be cashed-out at any price, for 100% gains. Cost them nothing to obtain the coins, so they have no "minimum" that they have to sell for. The more you give away, the less "value" others have to claim. You are giving-away others value, not adding to it.

2: The only people looking for "free coins", are those who are already in it. Occasionally, a non-user/holder will get some, and both will have no problem cashing-out for a quick penny that you gave them. (All those pennies add-up to our dollars that we can't get now, because they took them. Unless we buy them for pennies, which, again, does not add any "value" to the coin. That devalues it.)

But I digress... The "Free coins" are the least of the problems. No-one is "not-investing" in this because of the lack of free coin give-aways. It is because of the give-aways, that people stop investing in coins. You are having your value given away to others. Value you have to later buy-back, before you can get your value to go up. It is counter-productive to the point.

The 1:2 exchange and mining POW needs to be addressed before any talk about give-aways. (Which by the way, the give-away was obviously not ever intended to be honored. It was a trick to gather your personal information. If not by the dev, then by the person who ran the old website, or had access to the old website.)

Not only I disagree 100% with your assessment regarding "free" being bad for "value" and for "marketing", but your digression is absolutely impossible to understand. By me at least. I don't get your point. At all.

But "free", if you ever learned anything at all about any kind of marketing, is the absolutely key word. Top dog. Nothing whatsoever, not even sex, attracts people more effectively than the word "free". Right there you have an objective, totally objective, misconception of yours.

As for "value", what value? A currency has no intrinsic value in itself, none. The only "value" a coin can have is what the community supporting it may be able to get: whatever someone is willing to pay for it. Nothing else whatsoever. It doesn't matter if it is free, originally, or was priced at many BTCs, like 365 or 42.

As I posted in "An Appreciation", there's a lot wrong in the 1:2 proposed, but for for the reasons you seem to be mentioning but for the absurd distribution model chosen.

If Jarvis' plan continues ahead, this is really going absolutely nowhere.
2854  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME on: June 12, 2014, 05:32:54 PM

No matter how many times you post this and at what text size. If you don't tell me HOW to sticky it, it won't happen; if you do, I will be more than glad to oblige.

I have already posted this, haven't I?
2855  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME on: June 12, 2014, 05:29:24 PM
Yes i can acknowledge this... as he is even hand in hand with the group "Blackhand" on twitter playing pump and scam dumps

Christopher Bouzy is the absolute filth of cryptoland today.

Guys, We have started a twitter account - please follow, retweet and share - its purpose is to expose scams of Christopher Bouzy and prevent further broad daylight robbery.

https://twitter.com/IconicAmateur

We will expose the fuck out of you bouzy boy, your fucking game is up.

Only retards and very disturbed individuals still pretend that IconicExpert, who lives in New York, and me, who live in the West Coast, are the same.

But it's ok, the readers of this wall, hopefully, are normal people and they know what's what.
2856  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THE WALL OF SHAME on: June 12, 2014, 10:15:58 AM
ZIPPERCOIN(ZIP)

This one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=634292.20 hurts a little. I supported it and promoted it. Many of my friends and followers downloaded the wallet, earned gifts and were generally as enthusiastic about it as I was. I do not recommend coins to anyone unless they meet the following criteria: They are 100% FREE. At least that way no one will be badly hurt... which, as we just witnessed, doesn't mean they cannot be a scam. I don't understand this particular scam, for I don't see any profit in it for the developers buy the experience in this wild world of crypto has taught us that there doesn't need to be a specific incentive -it may be just playing around-, although generally there is and it is always the same: Money. Not in this case, apparently. But the reality is that the coin, for all intents and purposes, has been abandoned. The dev is MIA. The "event" with the 2 million direct distribution in San Francisco on the 10th of June, evidently did not happen and, unless some late minute action is taken -and it could be too late-, ZIPPERCOIN is history. The wallet, containing the gifts, is out of sync permanently so the deal seems clearly to be done for good.

I have to apologize to all my friends and followers for it. I believed this was going to be THE first free coin to succeed. 40% was going to be distributed, which seemed a lot and not transparent at all but, again, since it was for free, why not give it a chance? Of course no "registration" or any kind of data collection was involved, that would have been a no-no. Just "likings" and "sharings" and "tweetings": No harm to anyone, not possible. Oh and it could all have just been a plot to promote that new social network they will launch later this year, "bumble", because they were giving away 500 ZIP just to visit it and post, some kind of test, I guess.

In any case, it's fair at this point to declare ZIPPERCOIN dead for all intents and purposes and it's develoer/s scammers. It could be someone related to a wealthy family in San Francisco, but I don't know the identity of any of the developer/s. I know they have a link, obvious, to the Bumble networks. And that's that.

A good, clean, honest, 100% transparent and 100% FREE coin will eventually come... if I have to create it myself.

UPDATE ON JUNE 13TH

#Zippercoin had come back... at least to the Twitter account, caustically posting that it has been an amazing week and that they passed 5 miollion ZIPS instead of 2 million, in San Francisco. No evidence of it whatsoever and the count of twitter followers hasn't increased in a significant way to reflect the effects of such giveaway, so we will need significant proof it happen and significant more consistency of presence on their thread and/or twitter.

Their wallet, which did not work for a week, is now working again normally. A bit weird..
2857  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LIBERTYCOIN][XLB] X11 | 100% POS | No IPO | No Premine | Cryptsy & Mintpal on: June 12, 2014, 03:44:24 AM
Vote for XLB to be added to the All Coin Exchange!


The curiosity is killing me: You guys KNOW that Templar77, (Carlitos) is a fraudster with a whole trail of frauds behind him (Universitycoin, Grumpycoin, X Coin, this one...). You guys know by now that he can't code his way out of a paperback. And yet you are willing to work here to perpetuate his fraud even longer? Why?
2858  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][HONORCOIN][XHC] PoS | Project Restoring Honor | Poloniex & Bittrex on: June 11, 2014, 09:51:51 PM

I have implicitly made proposals already: That website? gone. A liability. The June 20th date, gone, too hasty. The distribution? scratch it and start again.
I have a ton more. But that's not what any of the people posting on this board is interested in hearing. So I pack my marvels and go. Fair enough?

Well I  - a non-miner - at least read with interest your posting,
although I feel not entirely qualified to comment. But if you
have indeed more ideas I'm sure they will get the attention
they deserve.

What I think is that a culture should be built around the
theme of the coin, Honor. And some specific usages associated
with that theme. Otherwise the salvaging operation is really kind
of pointless feat.

Precisely my point. The name is this coin only asset as of now. That and the fact it is already listed in two exchanges. But we can see easily already, the conflict here: The miners and the non-miners. Miners want not just to keep on mining if there's a remote chance of survival, but, logically, to amass tens of thousands of coins; the non-miners, on the other hand, don't care about the mining part one bit, logically. Since Jarvis is, arguably, the biggest miner and he is taking over this project, also logically -but in my opinion very wrongly- he is designing this restoration to favor himself and the miners. Hence, the conflicting situation that, again in my opinion, will sink the coin before it even starts.

Now the theme of Honor, I agree is the strongest selling point. And a reach out to the entire community of Crypto and even the real world, is not just possible, I believe it would be welcome ... under the right circumstances. Like FREE circumstances. Como join us for free, here are some coins for you. Not 2 million, not 10 million... the WHOLE shebang. In  a proper way. With a big splash, reaching to everyone.

Remember that the "miner's delight" was the bait for scamming the miners, not a plan for success, just a quick scam to get the miners blinded by greed. The restoration, as it stands, incurs -only doubly so- in the same lack of concept and lack of plan.

and what about those who already  bought? do you mean a free distribution of the double millions? obviously a free distribution would be "honorable" to recover a bit of trust. But u have take care of those, of course like me, that already bought now.

Why? You invested to gain. You assumed the risk -as you stated before-. You can sell right now and not lose anything maybe or very little. This coin, as it stands, is NOTHING, it is worth nothing. You want to create something out of it that has value, right? You are in at the beginning, so if it does, you will benefit. So woill everyone else. The more the merrier. That's HONOR.

Yeh, I assumed the risk for a project, i m ready to see the coin down but not to lose the money because u change the project. We can be more " honorable " than previous dev . The total amount is going to double: the half could be free distribution. Because you mean of another project from scratch, but this is not the case. Maybe u like the name of the coin and u would like to build something of new but then we are talking about something else, no? I m ready to talk about that, but in this specific case u have to compound your ideas with the other interest. Maybe you dumped the coin but here there are persons that didn't it and I think they deserve respect. Also that is HONOR

Again: This has very minimal value. You have next to nothing. So there's no downside risk to speak of, is there? As I have pointed out, to proceed with the hasty scheme of doubling the current holdings (including the one of the laughing scammer), is simply not wise and doomed from the get go for the reason profusely explained above. Starting from scratch though, in my opinion, could be met with success. You have to evaluate -the few of you- is you prefer -again- to have a whole bunch of coins worth nothing or next to nothing and with no chance of success, or being part of a coin where success in a big scale is quite achievable, FOR FREE. That's the decision, pure and simple. Respect is deserved by everyone, not just the ones that were conned here or just assumed risk, like you, investing in something with the hopes of making big and quick profit. There's honor in respect. For everyone. There's no honor in trying to "respect" the very few described above, even at the cost of having to pay even more to the original scammer.

Anyway, you asked for ideas, there are already quite a few up there for consideration. Your decision.
2859  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][HONORCOIN][XHC] PoS | Project Restoring Honor | Poloniex & Bittrex on: June 11, 2014, 09:43:32 PM
barabbas. you are like a leach who connects itself to the host an dsucks the blood from it. why don't you fuck off and destroy some other coin. bc is obviously not a scam. it's the one coin that is growing slowly and strongly,price is'nrt everything.that will come with time. thuis coin was a scam but the community has decided to make something of it and not roll over and be conned yet again. now piss off and give us a chance. we don't want your poison here troll boy

Your use of "we" is as stupid as you show to be ignorant. YOU and the likes of you are the ones that don't belong anywhere near where the word Honor may apply.
2860  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][HONORCOIN][XHC] PoS | Project Restoring Honor | Poloniex & Bittrex on: June 11, 2014, 09:34:09 PM

I have implicitly made proposals already: That website? gone. A liability. The June 20th date, gone, too hasty. The distribution? scratch it and start again.
I have a ton more. But that's not what any of the people posting on this board is interested in hearing. So I pack my marvels and go. Fair enough?

Well I  - a non-miner - at least read with interest your posting,
although I feel not entirely qualified to comment. But if you
have indeed more ideas I'm sure they will get the attention
they deserve.

What I think is that a culture should be built around the
theme of the coin, Honor. And some specific usages associated
with that theme. Otherwise the salvaging operation is really kind
of pointless feat.

Precisely my point. The name is this coin only asset as of now. That and the fact it is already listed in two exchanges. But we can see easily already, the conflict here: The miners and the non-miners. Miners want not just to keep on mining if there's a remote chance of survival, but, logically, to amass tens of thousands of coins; the non-miners, on the other hand, don't care about the mining part one bit, logically. Since Jarvis is, arguably, the biggest miner and he is taking over this project, also logically -but in my opinion very wrongly- he is designing this restoration to favor himself and the miners. Hence, the conflicting situation that, again in my opinion, will sink the coin before it even starts.

Now the theme of Honor, I agree is the strongest selling point. And a reach out to the entire community of Crypto and even the real world, is not just possible, I believe it would be welcome ... under the right circumstances. Like FREE circumstances. Como join us for free, here are some coins for you. Not 2 million, not 10 million... the WHOLE shebang. In  a proper way. With a big splash, reaching to everyone.

Remember that the "miner's delight" was the bait for scamming the miners, not a plan for success, just a quick scam to get the miners blinded by greed. The restoration, as it stands, incurs -only doubly so- in the same lack of concept and lack of plan.

and what about those who already  bought? do you mean a free distribution of the double millions? obviously a free distribution would be "honorable" to recover a bit of trust. But u have take care of those, of course like me, that already bought now.

Why? You invested to gain. You assumed the risk -as you stated before-. You can sell right now and not lose anything maybe or very little. This coin, as it stands, is NOTHING, it is worth nothing. You want to create something out of it that has value, right? You are in at the beginning, so if it does, you will benefit. So woill everyone else. The more the merrier. That's HONOR.
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