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301  Other / Politics & Society / Re: tecshare being an idiot and believing all the fake news. on: October 22, 2019, 03:49:09 AM

If you weren't too broke to, I would tell you to pay closer attention. I am talking about the phone call. No, it isn't debatable, here are the documents:
You're not talking about the phone call specifically. You're putting up a smoke screen for the sheep.

'“The U.S. government had open-source intelligence and was aware as early as February of 2019 that the Ukrainian government was planning to reopen the Burisma investigation,” Solomon said.

Given his past and the "quality" of what he writes in terms of misleading, obfuscating the like, I don't put much credence in what Solomon may say all on it's own. He's just the typical "fake news" person who's intent is to convince sheep to a certain bias. Like you apparently.

Besides that, it's all just a smoke screen to try and distract from what was said in the phone call. Trump clearly said if you want more stuff, you need to do this for me/us. So none of what you're saying or posting is applicable. Even his own spokesperson said it was a quid pro quo and he also said they held back aid by the way. Until it can at least be agreed on that Trump's call was a quid pro quo, the discussion cannot move onto the other issue of whether or not it was specifically for political gain or for other interests.

Again, are you trying to say Trump some how got high level officials from several agencies to lie for him and cover up some other transcript you claims exists?
I said if they produce a 100% "accurate" one, then one has to wonder if it's been "faked" or not given all the lies and crap that's been going on in the WH. But until it happens, if ever, it's a moot point. Are you so derange in your worship of dear leader that you have reading comprehension issues?

You just got done arguing a subpoena is not the same as a legal document
I'm not done but I don't have the time right now to respond to your long drivel that contained nothing factual. Despite all the documentation I've given you that explains congressional subpoenas, you've shown yourself to either be too dense to get it, or you simply want to spread bullshit for the sheep.

Also I love the fat that you mirror my language calling you a parrot as you literally accuse me of being a parrot in the same breath.
I figure that one needs to use you're own form of discussion for it to ever sink into your head.
302  Other / Politics & Society / Re: tecshare being an idiot and believing all the fake news. on: October 22, 2019, 01:15:12 AM
Only one problem with your fairy tale. Ukraine first of all reopened the investigation in like April. Second Ukraine was not even informed the funds were being held up, thus it is literally impossible for there to have been a quid pro quo, implied or otherwise. Also the transcript is fake now? What part of your cavernous anus did you pull that from? Do you really think Trump was able to get dozens of people across several agencies to lie for him to cover up "the real transcript? I hear Tony The Tiger is opening a whistle blower filing too.
Talking about the phone call being a quid pro quo. Pay attention. I know it's hard for you but I was talking about the phone call which is what triggered all this. As for Ukraine not knowing, that's certainly debatable unless you've been in a cave and not paying attention to what's been coming out about what was going on prior to the phone call.

The transcript says right on it that it's not completely accurate so once again you show your ignorance of the facts. I'm coming to the conclusion you don't know what's going on at all but just parrot talking points like a good little sheep.
303  Other / Politics & Society / Re: tecshare being an idiot and believing all the fake news. on: October 21, 2019, 05:24:33 PM
And it's nice to know that you agree there's nothing wrong with Trump's request.

Unlike the Dems who would impeach him for such a request.
It's not that the request was made, it's how he did it and that he tied aid to it. If he had gone through official channels and made it about corruption in general, none of this would be happening now.

Really. You know, the transcript is public, and there is nothing there to support your claim (bolded).
Someone says they'd like to buy something from you and you immediately tell them you want them to do a favor for you though. If you have a problem comprehending how that isn't a quid pro quo, then I feel sorry for you cause you must be damn easy to manipulate and take advantage of.

If Trump had just said he'd like a favor and didn't say "though", then maybe (although it's still a stretch to not see what's there unless you support dear leader in all things regardless) one could try and make the argument it wasn't.

Here's something I noted that I haven't seen anyone clue into yet. When it comes to manipulating the media, he's brilliant. One day he said the transcript was an exact word for word record of the call or something like that. Of course all the media jumped on that and pointed out it's not. And they've kept doing that since then. It wouldn't surprise me if, assuming the "real" one gets released, it turns out to be a bit different and it's different enough that it muddies the water. Course with Trump I wouldn't past him to forge some transcript but I guess we'll see what happens.
304  Other / Meta / Re: To admin - regarding my account on: October 21, 2019, 11:55:53 AM
Also, the forum is under US jurisdiction, not EU jurisdiction. Under US law, there is no GDPR (the law on personal data).
The GDPR is "global" and in the same way the US has countries around the world cooperate with them due to treaties, the US does as well for other countries and organizations etc.

Having said that,
1. He has to be a EU resident and would need to prove that first before I would do anything.
2. Scrap #1 because as far as I know, this forum does not "target" any one but instead they find it all on their own. And so, GDPR probably doesn't apply
3. Scrap #1 because, unless he did business with the forum, I doubt GDPR would apply either.

Also, even IF Theymos decided to attempt to adhere, companies are allowed to retain information for some length of time. I'm sure the argument could be made that, in the OPs case since he carried out business on the forum, the info needs to be retained for X years in case law enforcement came a calling and/or for liability reasons.

The problem with GDPR is that there's going to need to be a lot of different legal cases before everyone really knows what the hell they need to do because it's crap.
305  Other / Politics & Society / Re: tecshare being an idiot and believing all the fake news. on: October 21, 2019, 06:31:35 AM
And it's nice to know that you agree there's nothing wrong with Trump's request.

Unlike the Dems who would impeach him for such a request.
It's not that the request was made, it's how he did it and that he tied aid to it. If he had gone through official channels and made it about corruption in general, none of this would be happening now.
306  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: October 20, 2019, 05:01:36 AM
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He's proud of getting the guy fired because it was something that the rest of the G8 and most of our allies were already pushing for.  It was a victory for us and a defeat for Russia.
If that's true, then that's exactly what Zelensky will report to Trump or Guiliani.

Fine with me.

But I certainly wouldn't take your word for it. I think I'd like to hear it from Zelensky.
Zelensky will say whatever they want him to in order to not tick them off and keep getting aid. Then when Trump is gone he could say something different. But then you all would claim the new government forced him to say it for the exact same reasons. Throw in there that so many of the players have corrupt pasts and say one thing one day and something else another that there's no way we can ever believe anything that would come out from any investigation. So we're all stuck with opinions and feelings revolving around what our bias says we should believe. They're all lying self serving scum bags.
307  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: October 20, 2019, 04:51:33 AM
This is what he said a couple days ago.

“I would have no choice but to take it up,” McConnell said in a CNBC interview. “How long you are on it is a different matter, but I would have no choice but to take it up based on a Senate rule on impeachment.”
Senate rules say they have to "take it up". However, it's very vague as to what happens to initiate a trial. There is this one short part in there that says they discuss it. It's possible I suppose they could dismiss it outright and not take it to trial. But they have to accept the articles of impeachment from the congress.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/SMAN-113/pdf/SMAN-113-pg223.pdf

Side note. The rules also show an impeachment subpoena. In the form of a letter. Go figure.
308  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: October 19, 2019, 06:53:34 PM
i think soon x2-x3 on ltc
look ltc volume 24hrs  Shocked
https://coinmarketcap.com/ru/currencies/litecoin/
Looks to me that people are selling so they can buy bitcoin as it's been dropping in price.

Hashrate ltc   227.391 Thash/s -10.88% in 24 hours
Price drops, it's not profitable for some miners so they shut off the equipment or move to something else.

As price drops, so will the hashrate as more move away. It's still way higher than it was back at the beginning of the year.

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/litecoin-hashrate.html#2y
309  Other / Meta / Re: Urgent moderation request! on: October 19, 2019, 06:47:07 PM
I smell a ban coming up soon.
310  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: October 19, 2019, 06:05:09 PM
Found a copy of the Napolitano video that didn't have some left or right wing commentary guy spouting off their own take on things.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/the-house-gets-to-write-its-own-rules-on-the-impeachment-process-judge-andrew-napolitano-says/vi-AAIVEUP

And his article

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-is-the-impeachment-process-fair

Take it all for what you will.


Not because of this issue, but over the last two years he's gone off the deep end.
Of course you and your ilk would say that. As soon as someone doesn't tow the party line you pile on. Hey. That's exactly what the left does. Go figure. You're all the same.

Side note.. He does have some "interesting" ideas on some things that's for sure.
311  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: October 19, 2019, 06:02:05 PM
I've watched the video, and Joe Biden appears pretty proud of how he pushed that guy around.
He is and he exagerates about it as well. But it's still not proof of what is being claimed.

We've already discussed the need or lack of, and the misdirection of claiming a need for "proof."
So anything you have to say on the matter is worthless cause you only deal in opinion, feelings and theories. Gotcha.
312  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why socialism? on: October 19, 2019, 06:00:39 PM
You would be wrong assuming that.
You're not the person I was responding to so you can't correct my assumption. i.e. you don't know what he thinks.

Who is doing the ranking, and what are the standards that they rank by? You can make ranking say anything that you want.
Why don't you go read it as it says where that info came from instead of those useless sentences. I will tell you though that one of the sources is a well known US conservative group.

Socialism failure is based on communication and information.
Says who? You? The rest of your comment was worthless drivel centered around some misplaced point of view. Go find some real analysis of socialism failures and quote that instead of making stuff up.

In fact, Bitcoin is the people breaking away from the social and capitalistic controls of the government.
I'd like some of the coolaid you're drinking. Governments have already started to exert control over bitcoin and all crypto through things like the SEC and KYC. It will continue.


Hey, thanks for the replies. But since you don't seem to be able to think in the big-picture sense, at least you are a good example of most socialists.
I understand. Simply slapping a label on someone so you can justify in your mind dismissing what they say is a good tactic for those that don't want to look outside their little bubble. Carry on then.
313  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: October 19, 2019, 05:41:45 PM
Found a copy of the Napolitano video that didn't have some left or right wing commentary guy spouting off their own take on things.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/the-house-gets-to-write-its-own-rules-on-the-impeachment-process-judge-andrew-napolitano-says/vi-AAIVEUP

And his article

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-is-the-impeachment-process-fair

Take it all for what you will.
314  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: October 19, 2019, 05:33:11 PM
I've watched the video, and Joe Biden appears pretty proud of how he pushed that guy around.
He is and he exagerates about it as well. But it's still not proof of what is being claimed.
315  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: October 19, 2019, 05:31:01 PM
Actually, it matters a great deal whether committee meetings are open or secret. Now you are arguing something like "Whatever my team does is right and I'll defend it."
I don't have a team.

Most likely the reasoning behind secret is to amass a pack of lies and then dump it at a strategic moment for political effect.
Republicans sit on the committees and so are taking part in the interviews asking questions as well. But I guess there could be in on some
mass conspiracy if that's what you're proposing. Or maybe you're just blissfully unaware of what's actually going on.

Since this has been backfiring on the Dems
Oh? I don't see anything backfiring at all. I do see the right running around not knowing what the hell to do.


You are not going to be able to win that argument by taking refuge in what is "legal." As you have seen, there are various forum members that can easily debate the details of the legal arguments.
You're not arguing anything so there's nothing to win. At least Tecshare can come up with some stuff that can be looked into. You just spout off nothing of value. And no, there really aren't any that I've seen so far. Not one can come up with a solid legal argument. It's funny. Judge Andrew Napolitano was on Fox and Friends saying all the same sort of stuff I and others have been pointing out. Google shows the videos being on fox news but it appears Fox has removed them lol.

As I pointed out, the obvious outcome of Pelosi breaking all the rules is the senate with the "sole ability to try the impeachment" just giving Pelosi one big raised middle finger.
She's not breaking any rules. If you have proof she is, then provide it or just stop wasting our time with "opinion". As for what the senate does, that's perfectly fine as that's within their authority.



316  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN leftist bias proven on hidden camera. on: October 19, 2019, 05:17:13 PM
REBUTTED: No. We'll be back where we were before recordings, when a person's word as to what he saw or heard is proof. And the word of an AI is never trusted.
Just a statement with no reasoning as to why it might be valid. Perhaps you have a hard time understand this. With the ability to create speech that can not be differentiated between fake and real, what a person heard cannot be trusted either.
317  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why socialism? on: October 19, 2019, 05:13:55 PM
You would be wrong assuming that.
You're not the person I was responding to so you can't correct my assumption. i.e. you don't know what he thinks.

Who is doing the ranking, and what are the standards that they rank by? You can make ranking say anything that you want.
Why don't you go read it as it says where that info came from instead of those useless sentences. I will tell you though that one of the sources is a well known US conservative group.

Socialism failure is based on communication and information.
Says who? You? The rest of your comment was worthless drivel centered around some misplaced point of view. Go find some real analysis of socialism failures and quote that instead of making stuff up.

In fact, Bitcoin is the people breaking away from the social and capitalistic controls of the government.
I'd like some of the coolaid you're drinking. Governments have already started to exert control over bitcoin and all crypto through things like the SEC and KYC. It will continue.
318  Other / Politics & Society / Re: CNN leftist bias proven on hidden camera. on: October 19, 2019, 04:39:17 PM
....AI is going to make voice recordings useless as proof and then deep fakes will finish it off for videos and we'll all be fucked.

No. We'll be back where we were before recordings, when a person's word as to what he saw or heard is proof.

And the word of an AI is never trusted.
Maybe I wasn't clear with what I meant. AI/tech will soon be able to perfectly mimic a persons voice so that it's indistinguishable from the real thing. Voice recordings, pictures, video recordings... they'll all be just as useless as a fallible persons "word".

I heard exactly what you said and heard a talk and read the speaker's paper in 2017 about exact voice mimicking. So reality's quite a way ahead of you.

Now go back and reread what I said refuting your conclusions about these advances.
You didn't refute anything but just made statement without any reasoning.
319  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: October 19, 2019, 04:25:55 PM
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By the way, it's not "secretive". The republicans on the committees are in those interviews. They have the same amount of time to asked questions and the proceedings will be made public.....

Umm, it most certainly is. Ever been in a Senate or House committee hearing? You just walk in, unless all the seats are taken. by people waiting all night (that's typical for the politically interesting hearings, but most are not).

Bar that and the live CSPAN (also installed in all those rooms) and you've got the very definition of SECRETIVE.
Ok, if you say so. My perspective is that if I can read a transcript or whatever after the fact then I don't view it as secret. Fact is, I prefer they do things behind closed doors cause as soon as they do it for the cameras, it just becomes a circus wasting everyones time. The only thing that matters is seeing the transcripts after the fact.

As for the rest of your argument with Tecshare I don't have a clue what you are trying to get at. Vaguely, sort of, that everything Pelosi is doing is okay? Is that your POV?
What is she doing that isn't ok? Care to provide some information. And I don't mean "opinion" as to what may or may not be wrong. I mean actually legally wrong. Cause as far as the political optics of it, one can sit here and point fingers at both sides on a whole lot of different things over the years cause they all suck.

Tecshare has made a bunch of claims, all so far based on opinion. We're discussing those claims.
320  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why socialism? on: October 19, 2019, 03:26:30 PM
Why is  the left pushing the idea of socialism/comunism so much even tho it showed that it doesn't work many times in the past?
They're not. It's the extreme left that is pushing for a lot more socialism and it's only the extreme radical left that might say communism but I rarely see that sort of thing. As for it not working? There are plenty of countries where more socialism is working just fine for them so the argument about it not working is false. I'm curious though. Which countries do you think work without having any socialism at all?


Except that socialism is working fine in the narrow view. The wide view shows that socialism success is based on relations with capitalistic USA.

Cool
I'll just assume what you're trying to say is that everyone is trading with the US and so has plenty of money in order to fund stuff. If it wasn't the US, some other country would be the one with all the money. i.e. it used to be Rome. it used to be the UK. Even so, it has little to do with the US and purely the strength of your economy etc. Lots of people these days love to point to Venezuela and it's failure. But really, those in charge were morons and put all their eggs in one basket. They viewed oil prices in the same way wall street viewed the housing bubble leading up to 2008. Saying their socialism proves it's a failure when they were inept is just foolish.

Side note, the US is "mostly" capitalistic. You might be surprised to see who ranks #1 in terms of the most capitalistic. The USA is 18th. Note how many countries that are more capitalistic then the US, also have more socialism.

https://www.thebalance.com/capitalism-characteristics-examples-pros-cons-3305588
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