We've got 55 people signed up and paid now so I updated the payouts: 1 0.1 2 0.05 3 0.04 4 0.03 5 0.02 6 0.015 7 0.014 8 0.013 9 0.012 10 0.011 11 0.01 12 0.005 13 0.005 14 0.005 15 0.005 Any additional players now will add another place each at 0.0025 up to 20 max and/or maybe I will do a consolation prize for the highest overall yellow cap. In my opinion, a centimeter offside is absurd, since a player cannot control values of such a size - it turns out to be something like gambling: we will play and then VAR will show by the rule whether it was or not. As for the sole decision, this is normal - a sole decision also means sole responsibility.
It is, and most of us agree with it. The problem is that you have to draw a line somewhere. If you say 'up to 5 cm there is no offside', you just moved the line to where 5.01 cm is offside and 4.99 cm is not and you have to measure it again. Logically - the line is then set at 0 cm - and you get some absurd decisions. It will get better with time - and some countries are already drawing fatter lines to avoid long checks and bizarre micrometer offsides. Like I said before, allowing teams only three requests would put a stop to a lot of this. They'd think twice about requesting a very tight offside be challenged, then again I'm sure teams would use them for any goal hoping they can get it chalked off. They should probably consider changing the offside rule so you only need a part of your body to be onside. That would be much better. The amount of times that someone's legs have been onside but their shoulder or head has been offside is ridiculous. I can't point one out on top of my head right now... But ok let's wait for the season to start and I'm pretty sure there will be a few that'll pop up. And it usually happens like the ref still makes the wrong call even after VAR. It's almost like they've already set their minds on the call even if the evidence in front of him says otherwise or at least argues against the call. League matches not so much happens. It's in the UCL I've noticed some shenanigans.
Another annoying use of VAR is when a player is offside but isn't interfering with play, but they claim he could have put the keeper off or was in his line of sight or something. Well yeah, keepers generally aren't blind. |
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@TopTort777. However, Jake might only repeat the problem because another fight versus Woodley will not sell enough tickets and payperviews to pay for the expenses of the event. Also, when this event was announced, the original opponent was supposed to be Tommy Fury. That was the fight that everyone wanted to see because the opponent was the brother of Tyson Fury.
If it is not Woodley, then there are a queue of formed UFC fighters that wants to get a juicy check from a boxing match. Just find a retired UFC guy who was a champion (does not matter if he hasnt defended his title and immediately lost it), announced it from every speaker and here are your huge PPV sales. This formula always work. If Jake has big balls and a lot of money, he could offer Francis Ngannou to have a fight. It will be huge. And Francis always talks that UFC pays him to little. Come on now, don't be silly. Francis is about as big of a heavyweight as you can get and one of the hardest punches in the world and Jake is still a cruiserweight. Jake would be insane to even entertain fights like this and he's not that stupid. No commission would even sanction that fight but it wouldn't happen anyway. ~
If Jake has big balls and a lot of money, he could offer Francis Ngannou to have a fight. It will be huge. And Francis always talks that UFC pays him to little.
It is not about the balls of Jake Paul, if he wants to fight anyone contracted to the UFC, he needs to get the permission of Dana White to participate in that event which is highly unlikely because in face value itself it is a big mismatch. Jake Paul is not that big compared to Francis Ngannou and weight division is for a reason  . ~
Also, Jake Paul is a businessman. If you notice, everyone he challenges have been knocked out or have no real skill in boxing or they are former MMA fighters who have become old and weak. Jake will certainly never offer Francis Ngannou anything unless Jake wants to be dead hehehehe.
That is not true, i believed in this narrative earlier but when Tommy Fury and Hasim Rahman Jr two of the so called legit boxers never made it to the scale citing injury and that too Tommy Fury two times and Hasim Rahman who was not willing to cut down from 215 pounds to 205 pounds even with a week left even though Jake Paul allowed to cut down to 210 pounds, he was not willing to cut any weight, bunch of pussies who are scared to even fight a youtuber even after agreeing to fight have no rights to mock him to be frank. Rahman obviously didn't have any intention to fight at the weight he signed on to do but Tommy had legitimate reasons for why he couldn't fight. I doubt he would have signed on for a second fight if he had no intention of competing. If he pulls out of a third fight for whatever reason then I might find it a bit suspicious but he can't travel to the US right now unless he gets his VISA sorted out so it will have to be in the UK or another neutral country. |
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Here's probably how the prizes will be so far: 1st 0.1 (£1,905) 2nd 0.05 3rd 0.04 4th 0.03 5th 0.02 6th 0.015 7th 0.014 8th 0.013 9th 0.012 10th 0.011 11th 0.01 12th 0.0025 13th 0.0025 (£47.60) = 0.32 For everyone else that joins now I'll probably just add another place each so the more people that join the more prizes there will be and at least you have a shot at winning your money back. Long time lurker on the forum, since I only use this forum as a marketplace, but I'm active on Sportsbet chat!
I'll try to be able to pay before Premier league begins!
Viperious
Ok. Just PM me once you've paid. |
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Here's probably how the prizes will be so far: 1st 0.1 (£1,905) 2nd 0.05 3rd 0.04 4th 0.03 5th 0.02 6th 0.015 7th 0.014 8th 0.013 9th 0.012 10th 0.011 11th 0.01 12th 0.0025 13th 0.0025 (£47.60) = 0.32 For everyone else that joins now I'll probably just add another place each so the more people that join the more prizes there will be and at least you have a shot at winning your money back. I think there should be a rule that VAR should only be used if there's an offense made that's a red card. This is very important especially in critical matches that could impact a club's season. Hand balls, off sides, penalties.. We could do without VAR. This is just me but I accept the human factor of the gsme by leaving such decisions to the officials. Anyway, when do we get the pool invite link? I want to take a peek and look around.  Superbru website can be confusing. Might as well get rid of it all together if that's all it's being used for. I think they should do a similar model as tennis do and each team gets three requests to query VAR. There's absolutely no need to check everything for any sort of infraction especially when nobody is complaining for anything. I've lost count of how many times kick off has been delayed by a minute or two to check a goal can't be disallowed for something and I'm like what the fuck are they checking for. They usually don't find anything either. Nobody cares about offsides being a millimetre off either. Half of the time on the close calls they can't get an accurate angle either as you need a straight line not an obtuse camera angle. VAR is definitely doing more harm than good to the game right now. |
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We have 47 people paid for the pool. Only a week to go so lets try to get it at least to 50 and we can add extra places as consolation prizes. I can already see we will have another bad season with regards to VAR. I can give them long time to react with City goal, it was difficult situation to judge and draw lines but why the hell they needed so much time for Liverpool penalty? It is as clear as it gets and then after quite long time they call main ref to check it by himself. If VAR ref can't call this one, then VAR room does not need ref, just technician to draw the lines.
I don't think it's ref or technical rooms fault in that very occasion, If you ask me, but the first problem was both team players being an utter distraction for the referee, in most cases of handballs or foul in the 12 yard box, the VAR crew probably always have a verdict of their own imo, but the players just need to allow the referee breathing space, it took the referee way less to come to a conclusion after checking the replay, probably around 5 secs or thereabout from him looking at the screen, when it comes to goals being ruled or not for offside that's the VAR team decision to make, but for handballs, fouls, and red card worthy offences the referee is sole decision maker, VAR crew are just meant to call is attention to it if he didn't make the call at first glance imo, but the team players all ranting at once wouldn't even allow the referee communicate properly with the VAR team. If you look at Matip's low header that looks like it touched his hands some moments before Man City equalised, the VAR probably looked at it and since there probably no contact to his hands, the referee had no reason to come into play, the scenario didn't get replayed all through the end of the game, so It made me pretty sure there was probably nothing to be looked at in that case. More so, the players are always the ones begging the referees to take a look for themselves. It's getting silly. It's a coin toss as to what is handball these days. It's also really annoying how they delay the kick off after almost every single goal whilst VAR checks every possible parameter they can to possibly disallow it. They need to scrap the ref going over to have a look at the little screen as well. Why do you need him to go over and decide when you've already got several officials watching the game on several big screens? Just let them decide. If they think something is wrong then it's likely the ref will as well. |
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Uggh. So annoying. I was looking forward to this fight and it was going to be shown for free on Dazn in the UK. I wonder what sort of financial hit Jake is taking on this? Pretty shitty and stupid of Hasim not have taken this fight seriously as he's going to lose the biggest paycheck of his career and now he looks like a coward who wanted to fight on his own terms and whatever weight he felt like.
I am quite certain that it will take some future financial hits for Jake Paul as a promoter. There might not be much other fighters who would be as excited to be in one of his cards. Those other boxers have also trained hard for August 6 and have also had their expenses paid for their training. I have a feeling though that this fight is still going to happen and it might have to be push through, just maybe a couple of weeks. Or maybe find a replacement fighter for Rahman? But if they fight is totally scraped for good then sure, it will have a financial toll on Jake Paul. Maybe, but I doubt it. Jake wouldn't have announced it was cancelled and likely just tried to get it sorted behind the scenes as people will start collecting their refunds already. I wonder if lack of ticket and PPV sales had any impact? Hasim Just posted a video explaining why he couldn't make weight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3HketvrwGASounds to me like he didn't have any intention of losing weight and was just trying to hardball Jake into fighting on his own terms and left it this late so Jake would be more likely to just acquiesce rather than pulling the entire fight. If you aren't willing to fight at a certain weigh then don't sign the contract. I think Jake should fight Tommy next, then maybe Nate Diaz, and then depending how well he does in that either McGregor or Mayweather. I think it Jakes makes it past Tommy and Nate Connor is certainly an option. |
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Uggh. So annoying. I was looking forward to this fight and it was going to be shown for free on Dazn in the UK. I wonder what sort of financial hit Jake is taking on this? Pretty shitty and stupid of Hasim not have taken this fight seriously as he's going to lose the biggest paycheck of his career and now he looks like a coward who wanted to fight on his own terms and whatever weight he felt like. A second cancelled fight is pretty bad for Jake’s career. He’s got to set his sights on McGregor or Tyson now to keep his name in the news.
Lots of fights get cancelled for missing weight or injuries etc. He'll be fine. Plenty of opponents willing to fight him but he's probably going to need to fight a boxer just to make that next step in his career. I read that if Jake would have won this fight he would have got a professional boxing ranking so that's probably something he's going to want to try get to give him some legitimacy and move onto the pros. Personally, I hope he just makes the Tommy Fury fight happen as that's the most logical step and one that is not out of reach for Jake to win whilst still being a challenge, but I'm not sure if Tommy has burned his bridges with Jake now and Jake might not be willing to fight anywhere other than the states. It looks like they're trying to drum up interest with KSI for a fight but that won't happen for a while as he is fighting next month. I think Jake easy beats KSI though. He only beat his brother on points and Jake is a much better boxer than him. |
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I wouldn't call him fake Khabib. I think he can be the new Khabib, especially if he keeps decimating opponents as he has been. Diaz will give him a good run for his money I'm sure and I am definitely looking forward to this fight. Hopefully it's a fight like Chimaev's last against Burns where he was the first person to go the distance with him. Khamzat definitely wasn't expecting that. Diaz has only been knocked out once I believe and even that was a ref stoppage (though he was getting battered on the floor and his corner threw in the towel as the ref went to stop it). All other fights I think he's either won or lost on points so this fight going the distance is certainly a possibility.
Burns has always been underestimated I feel. He showed up in that fight, and it's the first time we've seen Chimaev actually hurt. Like, at one point I'm pretty sure his legs give out under him. He was hurt, and as DC would say "hurt bad". However, I'm not sure if he will be the next khabib, different fighting styles. Chimaev could've gone to the ground a little more against Burns, but he seems rather stubborn, and wanted to stand toe to toe, and hopefully knock him out. While after the fight he admitted this was a mistake, it was probably due to Burns' ground game, despite Chimaev being more than proficient in that area. Khabib on the other hand, stayed safe the majority of the time. He didn't fall in love with knocking people out, and instead stuck to his game plan. I'm not sure at least at this stage of his career if Chimaev has the same discipline as Khabib. Chimaev is far more reckless and hot-headed than Khabib, but that's what makes him exciting to me. Khabib was a little boring at times and everyone knew his game plan. I think Diaz isn't going to be a walkover much like Burns wasn't and people are underestimating him. Connor has only had 5 since then as well. I don't think blame can solely be put on Dana/the UFC as it takes two to tango in the fight game. There is a huge difference between this two fighters but two more fights is big difference even without that. Connor didn't want to fight very much during this period, he was drinking, spending his money, having party time, and he lost four of his last five fights. Diaz had to beg Dana And UFC to give him any fight or release him and he said this in public, but I am not worried for him because I heard contracts for other organizations are waiting him after this fight. I don't think we are going to see Diaz vs Connor again in UFC, maybe sometime in future outside UFC is possible. It probably depends on how well Diaz does in this fight. If he puts on a good show then it might bite UFC in the ass as people will want to see more of him, or it will just hype up a Jake Paul fight even more. He could go on and fight Jake and then back to the UFC or bellator or something so he's got options. Looking forward to seeing Paddy the Baddy back in the ring. Amazing how much weight he lost so fast after going absolutely crazy eating after his last fight. Also looking forward to seeing Suga Sean’s next fight. A lot of people are counting him out so it might be a make or break fight for him.
It's actually impressive how fast he can lose it. He looked very lean, especially since it was only a month ago he looked like an overweight slob. Fair play to him. It's going to be interesting to see how far he can go in the UFC. He's blitzing everyone so far but he's also not really been challenged or fought anyone of worth. |
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I think Connor wins too, but he's rusty and has been out of action for a while, so I don't think they'd be too far apart skillwise, other than Connor has a lot of fights both pro and amateur under his belt. Jakes trumps him on age as well and will have that underdog spirit and hunger. Connor did pretty well against Mayweather I thought and has knock out power as does Jake so it wouldn't be a big mismatch. I actually think it could be pretty close. I'd love to see it. I've never got why so many people jumped on Conor for that Mayweather fight. I'm also one of the few it seems that thought he did well. I mean he gassed out in typical Conor fashion, but he was going toe to toe with Mayweather, who is regarded as one of the best boxers, and for a few the best boxer. I can't say I agree he's the best ever, but he's definitely one of the best. So, for Conor to move to a sport he doesn't train in, and doesn't do, and put on that sort of performance I thought was good. He gassed for sure, and quite frankly I thought the stoppage was very early. Conor fights better when he gets hurt, as do so many other fighters. He was just incredibly tired, you could see it. I agree on both parts. Connor did well and the ref did stop it a bit too early. Unless the fighter is clearly not defending and/or taking an onslaught then let the fight continue. Fight fans want to see a knock out at the end of the day and I think a lot of refs jump in a little too early. Connor was likely to get decked if the fight had of continued but that's what people want to see. I now refs have to have the health of the fighters as there number 1 priority, but they know what sport they're playing and unless the fighter is taking a dangerous amount of damage I think they should ease off the breaks a little. If Jake keeps building his brand and winning every fight that's put in front of him the superstars are going to come sniffing for that big, easy paycheque. He already has bad blood with Connor and Mayweather so these fights sell themselves. If Mayweather still hasn't paid Logan Jake might be apprehensive about taking that unless the money is in escrow. Logan probably got ripped off because he was naïve but I can't blame him for assuming that Floyd would pay him. If he still hasn't paid him then that's a total scumbag move.
The kid is a mastermind. Dissing Dana, Conor everyone that'll basically get him that massive fight, with a massive pay check, and he's doing it while building his career. I'll be honest I was initially very critical with Jake, but I know when to admit when I'm wrong. He's shown he has a love for boxing, he's shown dedication, and he has put on some decent fights. Everyone criticising him for fighting nobodies needs to take a step back, and see everyone fights nobodies at the start of their career, as you rightly point out. In fact, Jake has a lot more notable names on his record, this soon in his career compared to Joshua, Fury, Mayweather even like I don't get why we're being so hyper critical just because he came from a background, which traditionally wasn't aligned with boxing. I think it's people being protective of their sport, rather than being fair to the individuals. I didn't care for Jake either but I've warmed to him. You need characters like him that are going to come in and shake up the sport. One thing he doesn't get enough credit is for championing higher pay for boxers and he puts his money where his mouth is. On his last fight every single fighter got the highest payday including Tommy Fury and that money came out of Jake's purse as he wanted them to be paid fairly. Not many people would do that. He also got Amanda Serrano her highest payday and I believe that fight was the first to pay female boxers 1 million each. They were getting nowhere close to that until he stepped in. I'm not sure they would have sold out Madison Square Garden either without him so he's doing his bit for female boxing as well. I think this is going to be a really tough fight for Jake but I'm hoping he knows something we don't. Surely he wouldn't have taken it if he didn't think he could win it comfortably. As I said before, I really hope he gets through this fight so we can see Tommy or maybe Connor next. |
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I've got a feeling he's going to bounce from the UFC after this fight.
Can you believe that since his last fight with Connor in 2016, he only had three fights in UFC, and this will be fourth!? I would want to leave UFC also if I was in his shoes. Connor has only had 5 since then as well. I don't think blame can solely be put on Dana/the UFC as it takes two to tango in the fight game. I'm sure that Nate has been offered a lot of opponents but didn't want to take them for whatever reason. A lot of fighters are holding out for bigger paydays now and this is usually to blame for lack of fights, though I don't blame the fighters at all for that as many aren't getting paid what they should be. Just look at Jon Jones. He's been offered probably dozens of fights over the years but he's been MIA for two years now and he's pretty much only been fighting once a year all the way back to 2013 (with the exception of 2019 where he had two fights). Jon Jones is almost certainly just waiting for a payday that might not ever come now. He's 35 so he's getting a bit too old to be getting picky and it's going to be a shame if we never see him against some of the current active UFC heavyweights.
Nate Diaz can really show heart in most of his fights, in this last fight I think even if he lost this he just needs to show what he really is made of, he might get bloodied but Nate Diaz will surely not going to stand down and will keep on moving, this fight could go on if Khamzat Chimaev decided to finish this on stand-up, but if this continued to the ground it is goodbye for Nate Diaz, but surely Nate Diaz will show his 100% on the fight just like what Glover Teixeira did on his fight with Jiri Prochazka, maybe this could be a banger of a fight, and recently Jake Paul has tweeted that he will be putting money on support with Nate Diaz to win versus fake Khabib,
I wouldn't call him fake Khabib. I think he can be the new Khabib, especially if he keeps decimating opponents as he has been. Diaz will give him a good run for his money I'm sure and I am definitely looking forward to this fight. Hopefully it's a fight like Chimaev's last against Burns where he was the first person to go the distance with him. Khamzat definitely wasn't expecting that. Diaz has only been knocked out once I believe and even that was a ref stoppage (though he was getting battered on the floor and his corner threw in the towel as the ref went to stop it). All other fights I think he's either won or lost on points so this fight going the distance is certainly a possibility. According to Diaz Dana is wanting to make the trilogy fight happen with Connor so win or lose this might not be the last we've seen on Diaz: https://www.express.co.uk/sport/ufc/1642611/Conor-McGregor-UFC-fight-news-Nate-Diaz-Dana-White-Brad-Pickett-MMA-NEWSMcGregor is expected to return to competition in February or March next year after breaking his leg against Dustin Poirier last July. There have been many names rumoured to face him including Michael Chandler, Charles Oliveira and even Henry Cejudo, but Diaz recently revealed to The MMA Hour that the UFC want him to fight McGregor for a third time next. |
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Jake is taking the McGregor formula and playing it to a T. That's why I'd love to see Jake eventually fight Connor. The build up would be epic and likely more exciting than the actual fight. Can you imagine them at a press conference just slagging the shit out of each other?
He's far from an idiot. Both the Paul brothers seem to have their heads screwed on. They know where the money is and how to get it. People just don't like them because they're popular and Jake talks a lot of smack which only gets him more attention and he's an expert at that.
Yeah, it would be some sight. I'm starting to lean towards wanting that fight. Regardless if it's boxing or not, I think Conor beats him. However, the build up would be incredible as you say. Yeah, I'd have to agree. I didn't like Jake in the beginning mind you. Logan I liked a lot more after his incident, and how he handled it. Jake I'm warming up to though, as I'm now convinced he's just doing it for the publicity, and is probably a decent kid underneath it all. He does rub people the wrong way, and it's funny that his latest faking breaking his back rubbed people the wrong way too. I thought, it was a decent gag, and maybe just a little bit distasteful, but at the end of the day he isn't harming anyone. I think Connor wins too, but he's rusty and has been out of action for a while, so I don't think they'd be too far apart skillwise, other than Connor has a lot of fights both pro and amateur under his belt. Jakes trumps him on age as well and will have that underdog spirit and hunger. Connor did pretty well against Mayweather I thought and has knock out power as does Jake so it wouldn't be a big mismatch. I actually think it could be pretty close. I'd love to see it. The thing is people asked to see him fight a pro boxer, and in his defence he went for Tommy Fury who is reasonably established. It isn't his fault that he pulled out, regardless of the circumstances. He tried to fight a pro boxer with a decent reputation. Alright, I believe that reputation is more because of his affiliations with his brother, rather than his boxing ability, but he is taking steps up.
Jake knows how to pick his opponents, and he has enough hype, and fame behind him that boxers, and MMA fighters are willing to get knocked out by him just for the pay day. So, he can basically select opponents who he thinks will make him look good, as well as have a relatively easy day in that ring. Therefore, Jake is likely always going to be the favourite, until he can't cherry pick his opponents any more.
I know you might say that cherry picking isn't exactly making a statement, but name me one fighter in the last couple of years that didn't get cherry picked fights. Even some of the biggest names in modern boxing had easy fights.
He has to start off slow and build himself up. He's still essentially a newcomer to boxing and pros have dozens of fights before they start getting attention or moving up to the big leagues. Tommy Fury has had eight pro fights but has yet to fight anyone of note. It would be unwise of him to jump the gun and take on more than he can handle and I think the fights he's been taking - or tried to take - have been nice stepping stones. People will still complain after this fight that he hasn't fought anyone of note or not a 'proper' boxer as they would say of Tommy. If he gets past this I'd love to see the Tommy Fury fight next. Then maybe Nate Diaz or someone similar, and then maybe that would be a nice stepping stone to Connor or Mayweather or something. If Jake keeps building his brand and winning every fight that's put in front of him the superstars are going to come sniffing for that big, easy paycheque. He already has bad blood with Connor and Mayweather so these fights sell themselves. If Mayweather still hasn't paid Logan Jake might be apprehensive about taking that unless the money is in escrow. Logan probably got ripped off because he was naïve but I can't blame him for assuming that Floyd would pay him. If he still hasn't paid him then that's a total scumbag move. |
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I don't know if something's changing with Dana White's mind. However, it is clear that he is not on good terms with Nate Diaz. But I think feeding Nate to ranked 3 Chimaev is way too much. Although financially this works well for UFC. Chimaev already said that he will finance Nate's burial. This is gonna be brutal and then Dana will release Nate from UFC.  Another match that is surprising is between Petr Yan and the Pink Poodle. Is the UFC ready to let go its investments on Sean O'Malley after years of babysitting? Or this is just a drama and marketing strategy for O'Malley? Because I think O'Malley will back out from this fight in the next weeks to come. But I hope this will really happen. I'm not sure it will be devastating to Nate. He's going to lose for sure but he could probably match his intensity and give a good show at least initially. Nate can also take a battering and won't give up easily. The only thing that worries me is Nate has been out of action for so long. He hasn't fought for a year and has only had 5 fights since 2016. I respect him for taking the fight either way. I'd like to see him do the trilogy with Connor but I've got a feeling he's going to bounce from the UFC after this fight. |
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I saw #FreeNateDiaz trending on twitter the other night. It does seem like a pretty messed up situation for him. Dana won't get him a fight and also won't let him get his own fight outside of the UFC. I understand that Dana is a businessman, but I think it's gotten to the point where instead of growing the UFC company with his business skills, he's allowing other sports like boxing to begin getting back their market share. Surely the UFC is making enough money to where they could double fighter pay without hurting the bottom line. In this case, all he needs to do is let Nate walk away from his contract. Seems like the right thing to do, but I'm sure Dana wants a cut to make it happen.
Diaz looks to be fighting in the UFC soon now. I think that might be his last fight on his contract though so I'm not sure if he will re-sign with the UFC, especially if it means not being able to take the big paydays in boxing. There was a lot of talk of Diaz fighting Jake so maybe that could happen now. If Jake does fight him that's one more step towards the Connor fight in my opinion as Diaz and Connor are very closely matched in terms of skill etc and are 1/1 against each other. Jake is literally the best person you could have for publicity. The Paul brothers are just absolute gold mines in that department. I haven't seen anyone else do it better. Plus, Jake knows how to push people's buttons. He has basically built his career off being the "problem child" as he calls himself.
I actually don't think he is as much of an idiot, as he's portrayed. I actually think the more I've seen of him, the more calculated his videos, messages, and basically everything is. I imagine at the start of his career, and bad publicity he was just a normal kid bending some rules, but he has simply embraced that sort of reputation, and has literally built a boxing career off of it. Plus, I actually think he's going to win in this next fight, and I was part of the gang that would just like to see him get beat, so he can stop embarrassing the sport. However, I'm not sure if he's an embarrassment any more, he has done more for boxing than a lot of professional boxers.
The odds are fairly close, not massive odds either way.
Jake is taking the McGregor formula and playing it to a T. That's why I'd love to see Jake eventually fight Connor. The build up would be epic and likely more exciting than the actual fight. Can you imagine them at a press conference just slagging the shit out of each other? He's far from an idiot. Both the Paul brothers seem to have their heads screwed on. They know where the money is and how to get it. People just don't like them because they're popular and Jake talks a lot of smack which only gets him more attention and he's an expert at that. Jake is literally the best person you could have for publicity. The Paul brothers are just absolute gold mines in that department. I haven't seen anyone else do it better. Plus, Jake knows how to push people's buttons. He has basically built his career off being the "problem child" as he calls himself.
I actually don't think he is as much of an idiot, as he's portrayed. I actually think the more I've seen of him, the more calculated his videos, messages, and basically everything is. I imagine at the start of his career, and bad publicity he was just a normal kid bending some rules, but he has simply embraced that sort of reputation, and has literally built a boxing career off of it. Plus, I actually think he's going to win in this next fight, and I was part of the gang that would just like to see him get beat, so he can stop embarrassing the sport. However, I'm not sure if he's an embarrassment any more, he has done more for boxing than a lot of professional boxers.
The odds are fairly close, not massive odds either way.
His latest stunt of pretending to be in the hospital with a broken back from carrying the promotion from this fight seemed a little juvenile. I thought it was pretty funny and well done. He got the clickbait of fooling people he's injured then flipped it and made a joke out of it. It made me laugh on the reveal anyway. I saw a lot of news sites picking that story up so it worked. I'm not sure how successful this boxing fight will be in PPV terms though but he's doing his best to promote it. |
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but Paddy trains his stomach in McDonalds and competes among best.
As long as he keeps on winning, then it's fine. I'm not too bothered about what he does in his personal life. I say live your life the way you want, within reason obviously. If he wants to eat a truck load of food, then as long as he takes the weight cut, and fight seriously I'm not too bothered. Kevin Holland is/was a fan favourite, and he was a classic example for a period of time not taking fights seriously, which did annoy me. Paddy does turn up in the cage, and seems to take it seriously once he's in there. I don't think he's champion material though, despite the UFC trying to push that narrative. Lots of fighters only get in shape for fights and go to shit straight after them. I wouldn't recommend his current diet but if he can make weight and keep winning it shouldn't be an issue. I think the UFC are wanting to try shape him up to be the next McGregor because they know Connor is on the way out so they want someone who can sell fights and back it up in the ring. I think Paddy's allure will depend on whether he can keep winning. He's blitzing people in the first round so that makes him look good but he hasn't really fought anyone worthy yet. I hope that gets finalised. It should be a war. I wouldn't get into a ring with Khamzat for any amount of money though  . Guy is scary, though he got a shock in his last fight. McGregor should probably come back and fight Diaz for the trilogy or rematch Poirier. If he gets past them maybe they could give him a title shot but I hope they don't give him one on his first fight back. |
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Thank you all for the discussion, and thanks to some of the guys who PMed me some good arguments.
The funds that I wanted to use to create another Premier League pool will be used to create a Champions League pool.
Thanks for listening to the feedback. This works out better for everyone and it's actually probably a better option than La Liga as I'm sure the Champion's League is as popular if not more than the La Liga. There's still a while before the CL starts as well so there's plenty of time to drum up interest rather than rushing to try compete with this one which would have 100% effected both pools. I usually run the CL one as well but I guess I'll just let you just take over that one instead since that solves the sponsorship issues we normally have. Thank you all for the discussion, and thanks to some of the guys who PMed me some good arguments.
The funds that I wanted to use to create another Premier League pool will be used to create a Champions League pool.
If I recall correctly hilarious organized a Champions League pool a couple of years ago but I don't see him doing it again for this year so yes most probably to get somewhat near the number of participants of the Premier League I think Champions League can be a really good option.Not a lot of people are really fans of Champions League like they are in Premier League or their local leagues but surely in the final stages it can get hot in the Champions so I think a decent number of people may join there. Champions League is actually my favorite competition and I am joining that one for sure. I was really sad it did not get love it deserves here in forum, after all it is top football competition in the world. No other competition has that quality of games and numbers of star players, especially after we get to later stages. Not even World Cup or Euro can compete with it quality wise. Of course national tournaments have other things going on for them like they are played every 4 years not every year and that makes them more interesting. World Cup is far better than the CL. I think one of the reasons the CL pool wasn't as popular was there wasn't much to win in the pot but if Betnomi are putting a lot of money in that will probably change and could likely rival this one in numbers now. |
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I think Jake has no choice but to try and bait Tyson into a fight by the end of the year to keep his name in the news.
I've heard that Jake was aiming to get into UFC and get some big fights, perhaps a title fight already (lol). But Dana White told him to wait, join qualifying (the ultimate fighter show maybe or Dana White contender show), train and wait when he be called. Also heard that Jake is waiting for big UFC stars contracts to end, then he will be able to call them for a fight. But I agree that Pauls exhibition boxing fights hype is dying. MMA is a whole different sport to boxing. MMA fighters can compete in boxing but it's very rare you'd get the opposite with boxers going to MMA unless they've already got some wrestling experience or something. Jake will almost certainly fight some UFC fighters once their contracts are up but not in MMA. Boxing is where the money is now and Dana is going to lose big names like Ngannou if he either doesn't start paying them more or lets them box as well. Nate Diaz has been publicly calling for Dana to let him go so he can fight Jake so I can see that happening and Jake seems to want it too. That wouldn't be a bad fight and would be a big challenge for Jake as Nate can punch and also take a beating. Connor has 2 or 3 fights left with the UFC and if the money is there to fight Jake then I can very much see that happening in the future just as long as Jake can keep bringing in the numbers. As long as he keeps winning he's going to gain more and more fans and get a hell of a lot more eyeballs on him so it's not out of the possibility. McGregor is at risk of becoming washed up as well so he might not have much choice if he doesn't turn things around in the UFC. |
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After looking on Hasim Rahman Jr stats on boxrec it looks to me that he is another "pro" boxer that has been fighting with trash. Same as Tommy Fury. I find it strange, that Jake is going to fight this guy, because they had sparred before. It looks that Jake could not find any fighter that has a name and is interesting to fight with him. He has picked Hasim Rahman Jr and their fight will be sort of another sparring. They with theatrically fight, but their fight will be just a filler to fill card spot, just not to make this event cancelled.
He needs to pick his opponents carefully. He can't exactly fight a current respected pro at this stage because he'll just get embarrassed so he's being wise and choosing pro boxers with big names rather than skill. Whilst this Hasim guy doesn't seem to have fought anyone of note and I've never seen him fight he doesn't seem to be an easy fight for Jake. With that being said, they've already sparred together so I'm sure Jake wouldn't take this if he didn't think he can easily win... or not lose. With it being so last-minute he wouldn't have had many other options so at least fighting a 'proper' boxer is better than some washed up UFC fighter or some other nobody. I'm just really hoping he can get past this one and they can sort out the fight with Tommy next as that's still a much more exciting fight to me and I'd say they're both quite evenly matched. The Tommy Fury fight was banking on Tommy's family name to bring in the PPV buys. Backfilling him with Rahman was a last minute attempt to still collect a check. I don't think Hasim will back down from this fight. What other chance does he have at getting this sort of payday? If he does back out at the last minute, I don't think anyone would hold that against Jake. It does feel a little bit like the hype is dying down though, so I hope we see another good fight to keep things going. As much as I don't want to see Mike Tyson fight again, if this fight falls through, I think Jake has no choice but to try and bait Tyson into a fight by the end of the year to keep his name in the news.
It'll be interesting to see how much Rahman is actually getting of the purse. I imagine Jake Paul has demanded a rather large percentage of it. Rahman gets exposure, but if he gets knocked out like Jake's last opponents its not the type of exposure he wants. Honestly, I don't know enough about Rahman to even comment on how this goes. I don't really know how well he boxes, and how he matches up to Paul. Jake wouldn't have taken this fight if he didn't think he could win, especially since they've already sparred. I imagine this was always going to be lined up, and Rahman was the fall guy if anything went amiss with Fury. I imagine, due to the problems the Fury family has had recently with being banned, due to association with certain criminals, Jake might've already seen this coming. Jake will be taking the lions share as he's the main draw here. Don't forget about Amanda Serrano though as I'm sure she will be taking a big chunk too. Jake paid her 1 million for the last fight I believe so I'd say she's getting roughly the same now. This fight probably isn't as big as the Katie Taylor one though. As for Rahman I'd say he's probably getting 100k minimum, at max maybe a few multiples of that. There's likely a win bonus as well. He's basically just the step-in/reserve fighter for this fight but looks like he's trying to wrangle some more money out of Jake. Can't blame him as he knows Jake would be in a shit situation without him as it would be too late to find someone else unless Tommy can magically get his Visa sorted, but maybe that whole situation was just an excuse anyway. Tommy's dad kinda dropped him in it saying he hadn't been training and was unfit. Not sure how much you can trust John these days though. Tommy just did a marathon last week so can't be that unfit. |
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In addition, I don’t think that there is a question of competition here, since users will have a double chance to take a prize, because, as I said earlier, in any of the pools there is a tendency when users stop making predictions because they understand that they will not get to the prize. Do not forget that it is thanks to healthy competition that the budgets of such events will become larger and larger every year, which will undoubtedly attract even more users.
If one person joins your pool and not this one (and vice-versa) then that's one lost user. Having two pools is going to dilute users so instead of us getting 50 players we'll probably end up with 40 and you 10 or whatever. And I don't know what point you're trying to make if/when people stop playing. Doesn't seem to have any relevance. There's a gazillion different sports and leagues you could do pools for. There are also several other pools already running that you could sponsor that probably don't have any currently or have very little in the pot. Or just do the fantasy pool. Fantasy pools are much more popular in general as that's what most football fans already do. Because nobody else is doing one currently as far as I'm aware you'd probably get more users signing up to that as opposed to a competing PL pool with this one. All valid points and somewhat similar to my take on the stuff with couple of exceptions. There is a gazillion different sports but not so many people on the forum follows them and are willing to pay participation fee. I know since I am running La Liga and Serie A pools that I can only dream about participant numbers you get here. And that isn't so much about money, there is just more interest in Premier League. Maybe the way too go could be American sports or Cricket. Don't follow them personally so it is a bit though for me to judge. There is no doubt that the Premier League is the most popular league, but when there's already a pool for it it's probably not even going to get half as many people to join as this one so it seems counter-productive as any pool is inevitably have to going to compete with this one. Unless there's some huge benefit to joining another one it's probably only going to get around ten users I'd estimate. I think a La Liga pool would probably be the second biggest and likely would rival the PL if it had a bigger pot so maybe they should sponsor the next best thing. The La Liga pool is probably not getting much attention because there's not much money to be won. If someone put 0.1 or 0.2 or whatever into that I'm sure it would get a lot more numbers. For me the perfect solution would be to have an open bid for sponsorship and that each bookie can throw in their offer. They could be both offers for sole sponsorship and joint sponsorship. Pool captain just picks the best option and we have by far the best solution from players/forum point of view.
Having some sort of auction is a possibility but there are a number of issues with it. The losers of the auction can still just start their own pool anyway, and just selling to the highest bidder isn't always the best deal. What happens if some new or fly by night casino just bids the most? They might not be trustworthy or might not stick to their end of the deal with free bets or something or end up ripping customers off. I would much rather have a reputable company with a history we can trust than just take the most we can get. In addition, I don’t think that there is a question of competition here, since users will have a double chance to take a prize, because, as I said earlier, in any of the pools there is a tendency when users stop making predictions because they understand that they will not get to the prize. Do not forget that it is thanks to healthy competition that the budgets of such events will become larger and larger every year, which will undoubtedly attract even more users.
If one person joins your pool and not this one (and vice-versa) then that's one lost user. Having two pools is going to dilute users so instead of us getting 50 players we'll probably end up with 40 and you 10 or whatever. And I don't know what point you're trying to make if/when people stop playing. Doesn't seem to have any relevance. Fantasy football is always boring, and I don't think it would appeal to many people. BTW, Betnomi can organize MM (multi-Masters), which is always entertaining. I used to like fantasy football about 4-6 years ago, I played it a whole lot, I think before I joined this forum. There was this FIT (fantasyiteam), I think it was sponsored by some UK betting companies which changes some times seasonally or biennially, the only one I could really remember was Ladbrokes or something of such name, It really was fun to play then and they had their own weekly prizes and grand prizes too, but it was really time consuming and as real life activities and responsibilities became rather more cumbersome I really couldn't keep up. It nothing like the prediction where you can just put in your scores sometimes based on the bookies odds simply because you cannot make proper analysis, but with Football Fantasy you've got to be always aware of who's out injure and whatnot. I don't play it either for those same reasons, but fantasy is much more popular than score predictions. I know quite a few people in real life who play it and they're always trying to get me to join but I can't be bothered with it. I'm sure there's a lot of interest on here too. Maybe not as much as this one but you won't know until someone tries it. There's loads of bookies that do fantasy football but I've not seen any do score predictions other than SkyBet's Super 6 but that's just for 6 of the three o clock kick offs and they often throw a couple of the lower league games in if there's not enough going on in the PL. |
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Is anyone interested in a fantasy pool? I know a few people have expressed interest in the past and I think even one or two said they would prefer it to the predictor. Reason I ask is it looks like Betnomi are going to be doing their own pool and it seems silly to have two competing pools running so I suggested they do a fantasy one instead. Hopefully there's enough interest for a fantasy pool because having another PL pool running is going to severely effect new members joining this one.
I would definitely like to join a pool like this. I hope that we can gather enough interest in a pool like this one as well. As you have indicated too, two pools having the same formats with each other would be no use other than dividing the prize pool. I'm not fully sure but I assume that Trofo was interested in fantasy football pools closely. Yeah, it's going to be annoying if they go ahead with the same pool. It will effect us both. I'm sure there's actually more chance of them getting more players doing a different pool. Doing the same they will struggle to get many players but any they do is taking away from this one. I don’t think there’s any need for another PL pool on the forum. As others have said it dilutes sign ups to both. I dunno, I just think as sportsbet.io has been sponsoring the PL pool for a number of years now, maybe Betnomi should find something else to sponsor & make their name in another sport here.
I agree with you. It's something similar like broadcasting rights of tournament. Someone who comes first or offer most money, they win it. Though, fantasy pool sounds like a good idea. Probably I wouldn't join it because of lack of time, but I think there would be enough interest for it. P.S. Missed news about Betnomi pool. Do they plan to run it on Superbru or on their own website? As far as I'm aware it's just going to be the same one as this but sponsored by Betnomi instead. In addition, I don’t think that there is a question of competition here, since users will have a double chance to take a prize, because, as I said earlier, in any of the pools there is a tendency when users stop making predictions because they understand that they will not get to the prize. Do not forget that it is thanks to healthy competition that the budgets of such events will become larger and larger every year, which will undoubtedly attract even more users.
If one person joins your pool and not this one (and vice-versa) then that's one lost user. Having two pools is going to dilute users so instead of us getting 50 players we'll probably end up with 40 and you 10 or whatever. And I don't know what point you're trying to make if/when people stop playing. Doesn't seem to have any relevance. There's a gazillion different sports and leagues you could do pools for. There are also several other pools already running that you could sponsor that probably don't have any currently or have very little in the pot. Or just do the fantasy pool. Fantasy pools are much more popular in general as that's what most football fans already do. Because nobody else is doing one currently as far as I'm aware you'd probably get more users signing up to that as opposed to a competing PL pool with this one. |
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Looks like this fight might be in jeopardy now: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/boxing/tommy-fury-vs-jake-paul-24466941 "If Hasim pulls out, we just won't do the event," Paul told The MMA Hour. "I'm tired of switching opponents, there's really no other names. We'll have to reset and reschedule, it's too last minute to switch out another opponent. The tickets, it creates so many complications for refunds, it's just a f****ng nightmare and a pain in the a** at his point
"It's too late to give someone a fair amount of time to train. I want someone in there who's going to give me a challenge, if we called someone up three weeks before there could be the excuse they only had a couple of weeks to train and it wasn't a fair fight. This is the last resort, hopefully it comes through. It's crazy how the Disney channel kid is down to fight but no-one else is.". Hopefully it's just some bluffing/playing hardball trying to milk some extra cash out of the fight or trying to get himself some more favourable terms. I can't pick a winner. Nobody really knows much about this guy other than his family name/ties. It could be Jake's most challenging fight yet, or maybe his easiest if he already knows he's not up to much since he's sparred him already. That's the only thing I don't like about this fight as they both will know the others limits and weaknesses/strengths etc. I don't know why but I'm really hoping Jake remains undefeated as I'd like to see how far he can go and who he will fight next. It has to be Tommy Fury for me. |
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