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321  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: September 26, 2013, 02:27:00 PM
What's the main form to fill out then?
322  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Refunding[Live-Group Buy].5BTC = 2.8Gh/s KNCminer Jupiter *11 Sold on: September 26, 2013, 02:21:01 PM
Who would have thought it, but got my refund, thank you.

Yeah I mean, like I said from the beginning, John.K has all of my information. I am a good and honest person. Everyone has that time in their life where they are at the lowest point and feel like complete shit. I went through that. I already stated a lot of times that I am here to stay and I am not going anywhere Smiley
323  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: September 26, 2013, 01:52:08 PM
Alright instead of bickering with each other, let's reorganize everything so people can get their money back faster.

My spreadsheet for KnCMiner proved quite effective with refunding people. So I will start the same. JohnK will be given permission to edit the spreadsheet once he gets the refund from Avalon back. This is because refunds will go to JohnK and he will be the one redistributing the funds.

Please use this form to get the refund process started for John.K when he gets back.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1k0Yn9Sc7pOlzI5DgsglLdqfaijLkVihAXUDgM4XpCwo/viewform
324  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Refunding[Live-Group Buy].5BTC = 2.8Gh/s KNCminer Jupiter *11 Sold on: September 26, 2013, 01:08:25 PM
Yep.. good question. There are still about 160 BTC left on https://blockchain.info/address/17CmSWy7zMQq1zoRC2BXf4YgX6LVBjkkUK
What's going to happen with the money that will be left?
And will all the people who don't take the refund just be stuffed in the 5 remaining miners?

Yes there are people who are still in this group buy with us. First 5 machines were bought with USD (Paypal)

I have shares on two miners and asked for a refund only for the miner not bought on time.

I may decide to continue this investment... what could you say to us about that?

Best regards,
ilpirata79

Not bought on time??? It doesn't matter the machines that KnC Refunded were all going to be shipped by Oct 15th... Everything was bought on time.


If you have not gotten a refund yet that most likely mean that you have not confirm the refund address with me via PM. Please PM me the refund address now Smiley

GREEN = REFUNDED and REFUND TXID Provided!

YELLOW = ERROR / Something wrong please PM me!

WHITE = You have NOT PM'd me your refund address so I can confirm you!

*If you have not your refund yet please see the status below. PLEASE PM me your REFUND ADDRESS!*


Refund Status Spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah5wT_NTrV00dEVUa3BMZXZNbmxVNlJvcGg3Vm9ZLVE#gid=0

If you have not filled out a form please do it now:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mVahCvc1ga8TlJetqIH_laeFOw7jCSyfkePuhP2JEwA/viewform

Please make sure you send me a PM and post your refund address in this post! Thank you for your patient!
325  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Refunding[Live-Group Buy].5BTC = 2.8Gh/s KNCminer Jupiter *11 Sold on: September 26, 2013, 12:12:55 PM
Yep.. good question. There are still about 160 BTC left on https://blockchain.info/address/17CmSWy7zMQq1zoRC2BXf4YgX6LVBjkkUK
What's going to happen with the money that will be left?
And will all the people who don't take the refund just be stuffed in the 5 remaining miners?

Yes there are people who are still in this group buy with us. First 5 machines were bought with USD (Paypal)
326  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Refunding[Live-Group Buy].5BTC = 2.8Gh/s KNCminer Jupiter *11 Sold on: September 25, 2013, 10:38:31 PM
I've gone through all the PMs.

If you have not gotten a refund yet that most likely mean that you have not confirm the refund address with me via PM. Please PM me the refund address now Smiley

GREEN = REFUNDED and REFUND TXID Provided!

YELLOW = ERROR / Something wrong please PM me!

WHITE = You have NOT emailed me your refund address so I can confirm you!


Refund Status Spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah5wT_NTrV00dEVUa3BMZXZNbmxVNlJvcGg3Vm9ZLVE#gid=0

If you have not filled out a form please do it now:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mVahCvc1ga8TlJetqIH_laeFOw7jCSyfkePuhP2JEwA/viewform

Please make sure you send me a PM and post your refund address in this post! Thank you for your patient!
327  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Refunding[Live-Group Buy].5BTC = 2.8Gh/s KNCminer Jupiter *11 Sold on: September 25, 2013, 08:53:30 PM
Yes plumet, to answer your question, I will shell out my own BTC to cover Jup #2 non order to cover for Jup #2 buyers Smiley

GREEN = REFUNDED and REFUND TXID Provided!

YELLOW = ERROR / Something wrong please PM me!

WHITE = You have NOT emailed me your refund address so I can confirm you!


Refund Status Spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah5wT_NTrV00dEVUa3BMZXZNbmxVNlJvcGg3Vm9ZLVE#gid=0

If you have not filled out a form please do it now:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mVahCvc1ga8TlJetqIH_laeFOw7jCSyfkePuhP2JEwA/viewform

Please make sure you send me a PM and post your refund address in this post! Thank you for your patient!
328  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Refunding[Live-Group Buy].5BTC = 2.8Gh/s KNCminer Jupiter *11 Sold on: September 25, 2013, 08:42:40 PM
ragingazn628 Why are you not recognizing Jupiter 2 people?

Well I'm new here so I need to heed the advice of those before me and follow.

Please refund me as well.

original Transaction id 2d0da5ae9908ec80f0ef4e15516fc6d5ba1d58ba19774d79a8b3af7e9a8d85c5
Refund to 1Az964w4NAibYXBM5zJkRRvmUrwgGmZMdH
1 share @ .6 bc

I don't even see you on the list at all?
329  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Refunding[Live-Group Buy].5BTC = 2.8Gh/s KNCminer Jupiter *11 Sold on: September 25, 2013, 08:41:28 PM
Jupiter #2 people I will shell out my own BTC. Don't worry. Please just give me time. I am going through all the refunds listed first. Please trust me it's faster this way :/

Refund Status Spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah5wT_NTrV00dEVUa3BMZXZNbmxVNlJvcGg3Vm9ZLVE#gid=0

If you have not filled out a form please do it now:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mVahCvc1ga8TlJetqIH_laeFOw7jCSyfkePuhP2JEwA/viewform

Please make sure you send me a PM and post your refund address in this post! Thank you for your patient!
330  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: September 25, 2013, 08:18:08 PM
I did trusted him FULLY until a few days ago. I have recordings of everything. He even convinced me to have the KnCMiner refunds (over $30,000) wire to his bank account (an account of which was made for NEO ASICS according to him). Luckily I trusted my gut and had the transfer cancelled and now I am handling the refunds. He said he was helping me but I caught him with lies after lies.

If you trusted him, and sent him our chips, and he made off with them, then that's your fault for placing our chips in his hands.  I'd get behind deducting 32 sample chips worth from your total.  We even agreed to send 8 to BKKCoins.  What ever happened to those?

Anyway. No need to explain myself.

There definitely is need to explain yourself.  32 sample chips are missing from this group buy.  You lost them.  You should pay for them.


These were sample chips. Not part of 10,000 chips. I have proof that prodigits7 have the sample chips.
331  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: September 25, 2013, 07:43:33 PM
I did trusted him FULLY until a few days ago. I have recordings of everything. He even convinced me to have the KnCMiner refunds (over $30,000) wire to his bank account (an account of which was made for NEO ASICS according to him). Luckily I trusted my gut and had the transfer cancelled and now I am handling the refunds. He said he was helping me but I caught him with lies after lies. Anyway. No need to explain myself. We are all just waiting for Avalon Refunds and that's that. Again I am terribly sorry for all this. I do not want my 1% fee. I do not deserve it.
332  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Refunding[Live-Group Buy].5BTC = 2.8Gh/s KNCminer Jupiter *11 Sold on: September 25, 2013, 04:53:23 PM
Quick Lunch Break before I faint Sad - I skipped breakfast this morning to start this ASAP so people don't wake up antsy etc.

BRB!

Refund Status Spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah5wT_NTrV00dEVUa3BMZXZNbmxVNlJvcGg3Vm9ZLVE#gid=0

If you have not filled out a form please do it now:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mVahCvc1ga8TlJetqIH_laeFOw7jCSyfkePuhP2JEwA/viewform

Please make sure you send me a PM and post your refund address in this post! Thank you for your patient!
333  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Refunding[Live-Group Buy].5BTC = 2.8Gh/s KNCminer Jupiter *11 Sold on: September 25, 2013, 04:34:43 PM
I pm'd you yesterday and posted in this thread yesterday and filled out the spreadsheet yesterday like you asked.  I mentioned in my pm and this thread that I'd like my 4.2 btc sent too the same address used in the original transaction.

Your sending out refunds clearly so Please send my transaction now.  Don't know what else I can say but thanks for sending my funds back and good luck with the mining operation.  I'll post here when funds are received.

thanks I am going through all PMs and sending to confirmed addresses only make sure you've PM'd me your refund address!
334  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Refunding[Live-Group Buy].5BTC = 2.8Gh/s KNCminer Jupiter *11 Sold on: September 25, 2013, 04:11:14 PM
Refund Status Spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah5wT_NTrV00dEVUa3BMZXZNbmxVNlJvcGg3Vm9ZLVE#gid=0

If you have not filled out a form please do it now:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mVahCvc1ga8TlJetqIH_laeFOw7jCSyfkePuhP2JEwA/viewform

Please make sure you send me a PM and post your refund address in this post! Thank you for your patient!
335  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: September 25, 2013, 03:57:40 PM
I did not steal anything. Prodigits7 has the 32 sample chips. I have a recording of him saying he has it as well. I am in the same situation as everyone else right now.

You also need to be careful with prodigits7. He's not who he says he is. He claimed to have made Avalon Clones. I met up with him and he showed me a few parts but not a fully working one. I was stupid enough to believe him. I have all his lies recorded. Thank god I didn't trust him to receive the KnCMiner refunds. Who knows what he would have done. Anyway, I am refunding people from my other group buy right now.

hey guys,

Let's make one thing clear... I do NOT have the BTC from this group buy. I never did. JohnK was the escrow and he has everything. He will be around soon, I don't know where he went. I do not have the chips from this group buy either .... that's why we are being refunded.

except for the sample chips... Can you pay for john k's escrow fee/ the people who took over since you kinda failed as a group buy organizer...

That's not how it works, Noitev. You are paying JohnK's escrow fee, because you are now getting the full force of his protection.

Im aware and appreciate john ks existence, Im just saying raging more or less blatantly tried to steal our chips (he stole 20 already) and since we did everything to prevent it, he wants his entire share back as a fallback. Isn't it suspicious that he's never on, except when money is at stake for him? we paid for john k. to prevent exactly what he did, and now that we have some of his funds, I think it's only fair we subtract johns fee from raging's investment.

Also, as much as I love John k, we resorted to having to use group buy members to facilitate the transaction/cancellation. I understand both sides of the argument, namely that raging is saying "The price is 1.5% higher so that if I scam you, you get your money back." but when he actually does, isn't it fair that he pay for the 1.5%? I understand it could have very well have been a poor set of circumstances and that he might not have tried to scam us, but my opinion is totally opposed to that when he magically becomes healthy enough to post on the forums, something he was incapable of doing while he had control of over 50,000 dollars in hardware coming to him and had endless queries asking chip statuses. The only time he ever posted was when he was in serious risk of losing his chips

-just moved in to my house, that's why I was gone, relax
-death in the family, sorry Im still ok to do this
-therapist told me to separate myself from the internet, everything is still fine
-Oh there's a refund? ok, give me all my money back then...

Obviously he doesn't deserve the 1% so he's not going to argue for that, but he'll be damned if he comes out of this with less than what he put in after all the work he's gone through failing to scam us. I was ok with all of this so far, since I talked to prodigits a few times on skype. That was until raging said he gave the sample chips that were decidedly not his to prodigits7, a personal friend of his he wants to repay for doing damage control on his kncminer groupbuy. I'd value the chips at over 4 btc total since they were shipped months ago. So if raging feels like he can pay prodigits, why not pay the people doing damage control here? I honestly wouldn't really care if raging would just pay for the 1.5% escrow fee, but he's gonna try to profit on this failed groupbuy by double dipping in the chips and the full amount of the refund? screw that.
336  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! on: September 25, 2013, 03:55:46 PM
JohnK: pay him his escrow fee.
Ragin: He has already said he does not expect to receive his 1%. Leave him be. Personally, I feel like he has good intentions but is just a bit unreliable. In the end, we lucked out because the chips were under water anyways, but we were fortunately able to back out of the order.


Again,

I would like to apologize for all this. I did not mean for all of this to happen. I had a huge bump in my life and I'm just trying slowly to get back on my feet. I am currently processing refunds in my other group buy:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233624.new#new

Anyone know when Avalon is refunding this group buy?
337  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Refunding[Live-Group Buy].5BTC = 2.8Gh/s KNCminer Jupiter *11 Sold on: September 25, 2013, 03:43:56 PM
Yes please confirm that your refunds have been received! I really appreciate this! Thank you all!

Also if you decide to stay and let's say you were on machine 9 you will be pushed up towards machines 1-5!

I can confirm my refund was received.
338  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Refunding[Live-Group Buy].5BTC = 2.8Gh/s KNCminer Jupiter *11 Sold on: September 25, 2013, 03:33:30 PM
I want to also note a lot of BTC talk people are staying in the GB with my RL friends / colleagues as well! It's not too late to stay Smiley I know this is about trust and I have lost that trust to most of you guys, I want to say again that I am sorry and I am doing everything I can to get back on my feet and fix this and close this wound up for good! Thanks for those who are staying and for believing in me!
339  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Refunding[Live-Group Buy].5BTC = 2.8Gh/s KNCminer Jupiter *11 Sold on: September 25, 2013, 03:26:15 PM
Refund Status Spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah5wT_NTrV00dEVUa3BMZXZNbmxVNlJvcGg3Vm9ZLVE#gid=0

If you have not filled out a form please do it now:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mVahCvc1ga8TlJetqIH_laeFOw7jCSyfkePuhP2JEwA/viewform

Please make sure you send me a PM and post your refund address in this post! Thank you for your patient!
340  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Refunding[Live-Group Buy].5BTC = 2.8Gh/s KNCminer Jupiter *11 Sold on: September 25, 2013, 03:07:57 PM
Ok, thanks

I know you are frustrated but you shouldn't channel the hatred and anger towards me. It will just slow things down :/ - I will refund as many as humanly possible today. Do not worry! Thanks again for being so patient with me. I am sincerely sorry for what I've done and I am trying my best to fix it!

Yeah it's fine, I'd really appreciate it though if you could refund me soon. I'm waiting eagerly on the money because I really need it.
Every day I'm thinking "OK now it's coming" but then it's delayed again... Please just refund me and you'll never hear me angry again Smiley

Hope you got some coffee because it will take some time to go through all the refunds. But just find a pace in which you can work properly and you'll be done sooner than you think. Good luck



gotcha!


When will you process the full Jupiter 2 refunds, please address this in yor next post




Code:
13XxV273D6Reog5PpHwAVpwp11oXgway8J
-69.2636 BTC
1LmMQJsD9i26JfXjkwGmXKT2X92qzY93jB
-37.8054 BTC
1DzTY1qvBTiijipivmLcRiGguZgjf3zVFX
-37.8022 BTC
1AGKBq7NWNPx7CV6eongwsuvEXgc2oRDGH
-37.8044 BTC
18WfhuzTzGvqpj9xFukjLu5et5RHjoeqyE
-37.8058 BTC
1AJBeSdC7Azd65EcY9WZLurxZHMvbXo1qM
-37.7957 BTC
1EQ73sHu78tjK9dW5H4pZVyyVkTka9uwR3
-37.7985 BTC

I just reviewed the numbers and it comes out to: 296.0756 BTC Sent.

So 249 / 296.0756 = 0.8410014199076182

Please use the form. Everyone is being refunded together!
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