Let's see how many of you remember the old school BBS days - XC Currency in Ansi Art!!!  Looks good. |
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Teka let me know if there is anything else.
If you could include this in the op even as a direct qoute I will be extremely happy: - You can not guarantee that people will loose many because Jasin is involved ( in a small capacity, chatting on skype currently) - Our core community is aware of this situation and has expressed their opinon, none of them have dumped or a dumping because of Jasin. - He's not in position of power. - He has no access to any of the funds like the premine - He can't dictate what the team does or who works for XC - Jasin's involvement with cachecoin was public - Blockchain 2.0 and POBOC ('Interchains') was public and we released that we will be working with Cache on this -Currently this in very very early stages - Anon features were a part of Cache, we addressed the fact that the implementation was different. We never tried to hide the fact that Cache had Anon features. In fact we even discussed it with members. Although these features seem similar they have nothing to do with XC. - This means that most people knew about nearly every detail of cache and the collab with XC - You cannot prove that Jasin is stealing any code. As you said this your gut feeling. - None of the current tech published by XC was created by Jasin Also if you a serious about this put a disclaimer that currently you have published no proof. You might have some, I have no idea if you do but currently you haven't put anything out. |
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I'll let you have the last word in the previous exchange and will update the OP with a summary of your defense of jasinlee, definition of what a scam is, etc when I get a chance and am no longer on my phone.
Teka you are more than welcome to give input on if I miss represent the summarized content of XC reply to my accusations.
Edit: just realized I did not change the title as you asked. See if the current one is something you feel is more accurate
This caught my eye: 'The devs claim that all the features that exist in XC that are going to Cachecoin will be redeveloped by Jasin.' Cache had planned Anon before we were in collab with them. None of their Anon features have anything to do with XC even though they seem similar. Cache will only share POBC with XC and even that plan is in very early stages. I also would like you to remove any attacks against xc like ' Don't walk but RUN from XC ' . I'm more than happy for you to even move this thread to scam accusations if you want but I think XC shouldn't be targeted. After all, you claim that the financial loss you suffered was with Jasin not XC so therefore you shouldn't focus on XC. |
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This is much more than just a project blowing up. This is someone taking money for a project and failing to even produce any tangible proof that the money received was indeed going towards work of the project.
No, this is exactly what happens when a project blows up. Something goes wrong, and then sentiment turns against the project and accusations start flying. I do PR. I'm very well aware of how quickly people perceive things to be "tangible proof" when in fact they're just misperceived half-truths and emotion. Case in point: XC's FUDstorm at the hands of a competitor. The FUD was solidly and resoundingly repudiated (before I was part of XC), but not before most people had dumped. And they dumped because they believed they had "tangible proof" that XC was a scam. They were all wrong. The "tangible proof" (like, say items in github, etc.) turned out not to be any kind of proof, and the truth came out. Oh please stop with the mis-direction. First:When a project blows up, sentiments and accusations start flying in addition to valid complaints. You're just sweeping everything said here as false accusations when in fact: 1. Money was taken for a product. 2. Said product was not delivered. 3. Requests for explanations are met with nebulous / non-verifiable excuses. 3. An entire website filled with data on customer orders was taken down and has not been put back up well after the promised date. 4. No explanations are offered for the delay. 5. Jasin has not answered any further questions and has been MIA for the past week and a half. SecondYou're trying to confound the meaning of tangible proof and the use case. Your example is the use of fabricated proof to attempt to back an accusation. In this case tangible proof constitutes verifiable proof to prove a point; that work was done. Again, the refusal to allow someone to contact a foundry to verify dealings with Fibonaci is a red flag. I would agree that you have red flags. I disagree that you have any kind of proof that Jasin is a scammer. Since allegations of scamming are very serious and highly damaging, they should not be made lightly or without proof. Therefore, do not accuse Jasin of being a scammer. It's profoundly unethical. : taking people's money, failing to deliver a product, failing to prove that you've taken steps to try to fulfill contractual obligations, and destruction or concealment of financial records would very much scream scam. Again, perhaps you would like to address the hundreds of pages in the threads on failure to do any of what was mentioned above as pure hearsay? That everyone is just out to get Jasin? In that case, stop attacking xc members and xc itself and battle Jasin in court. Perhaps you can point to a direct quote where I am attacking XC members and XC? Other than the one sentence of "FUD: You are either very naive, stupid, or being paid very well. Take your pick." because some bloke is wasting my time by posting illogical arguments and parroting back the same invalid arguments over and over? But really it's more of a satire. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else? Or perhaps a bit of a Freudian slip? I only chimed in because someone here is insistent that Jasin is not scamming people. That he took money from imaginary people, and that hundreds of pages of posts is not substantive. Perhaps the title of the thread wasn't the most subtle approach, but you as a PR person should probably know why major companies tend to distance themselves from prominent employees that get involved in scandals? Sorry, I should have specified that as being general advice to everyone. |
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very interesting, i will add a link of the topic on my topic  I would do you research first. XC has proven technology and great coders that have helped different coins let's see We've done reviews for Keycoin and Aercoin so far. The team is not anonymous and is extensive. Why do you even bother to post in this thread? XC community is smart enough. Stop wasting your time You're right this thread is pointless and rdnkjdi has shown no proof so far. Even more, he's attacking the other XC team members which is unacceptable. |
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very interesting, i will add a link of the topic on my topic I would do you research first. XC has proven technology and great coders that have helped different coins let's see We've done reviews for Keycoin and Aercoin so far. The team is not anonymous and is extensive. |
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very interesting, i will add a link of the topic on my topic I would do you research first. XC has proven technology and great coders that have helped different coins |
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Even if Jasinlee is a scammer, how does that make XC dev a scammer?
It doesn't. Please see our replies to these so far unproven claims towards xc in his other thread. I know, I was just pointing out that the Subject to this thread is misleading. It is and it shouldn't be in Announcements. |
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This is much more than just a project blowing up. This is someone taking money for a project and failing to even produce any tangible proof that the money received was indeed going towards work of the project.
No, this is exactly what happens when a project blows up. Something goes wrong, and then sentiment turns against the project and accusations start flying. I do PR. I'm very well aware of how quickly people perceive things to be "tangible proof" when in fact they're just misperceived half-truths and emotion. Case in point: XC's FUDstorm at the hands of a competitor. The FUD was solidly and resoundingly repudiated (before I was part of XC), but not before most people had dumped. And they dumped because they believed they had "tangible proof" that XC was a scam. They were all wrong. The "tangible proof" (like, say items in github, etc.) turned out not to be any kind of proof, and the truth came out. Oh please stop with the mis-direction. First:When a project blows up, sentiments and accusations start flying in addition to valid complaints. You're just sweeping everything said here as false accusations when in fact: 1. Money was taken for a product. 2. Said product was not delivered. 3. Requests for explanations are met with nebulous / non-verifiable excuses. 3. An entire website filled with data on customer orders was taken down and has not been put back up well after the promised date. 4. No explanations are offered for the delay. 5. Jasin has not answered any further questions and has been MIA for the past week and a half. SecondYou're trying to confound the meaning of tangible proof and the use case. Your example is the use of fabricated proof to attempt to back an accusation. In this case tangible proof constitutes verifiable proof to prove a point; that work was done. Again, the refusal to allow someone to contact a foundry to verify dealings with Fibonaci is a red flag. I would agree that you have red flags. I disagree that you have any kind of proof that Jasin is a scammer. Since allegations of scamming are very serious and highly damaging, they should not be made lightly or without proof. Therefore, do not accuse Jasin of being a scammer. It's profoundly unethical. : taking people's money, failing to deliver a product, failing to prove that you've taken steps to try to fulfill contractual obligations, and destruction or concealment of financial records would very much scream scam. Again, perhaps you would like to address the hundreds of pages in the threads on failure to do any of what was mentioned above as pure hearsay? That everyone is just out to get Jasin? In that case, stop attacking xc members and xc itself and battle Jasin in court. |
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Even if Jasinlee is a scammer, how does that make XC dev a scammer?
It doesn't. Please see our replies to these so far unproven claims towards xc in his other thread. |
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Is the XC braintrust implying that Jasin did not take orders on fictional asics and make statements about these asics (such as delivery, project status & performance claims), did not collect LTC, BTC and CACHE for these orders?
There's no proof. We didn't get emails. We used to be able to login and see our orders. Now all we see are advertisements for their coin. You make it sound like the page has a giant xc logo on it. It mentions and old project called cryptophi that was once part of the collab between XC and Cache. It's even at the bottom of the page for crying out loud. The thing is - Jasin is selling cryptophi as one third of the page he used to have where we logged in for our pre-orders. It might be old news to you guys. It's what we see EVERY TIME we go to check on orders that mount into the tens of thousands of dollars. That it's "old news" is not exactly what we want to hear. I assume he used it for filler? The fact remains - it links XC and Fibonacci and Jasin all together extremely tightly. Which even you've admitted to. While you may see it as an attack on XC. I see it as a warning about the type of developers XC is happy to keep on their team, defend, support and be supported by. Names are EVERYTHING in crypto. People WILL lose money on XC if Jasin is involved. I can almost garuntee it. Most people didn't have a clue about him using innerchains on both coins. Most people don't know anything about cachecoin, or that he owns half of it, or that he plans on putting the features (albiet the technical underlying code may be different) that are in XC into cachecoin. My warning about him being a scammer is a testament to his character. If it's not cachecoin it'll be something else. But where Jasin goes people WILL lose money and they WILL be left holding the bag. You may view it as an attack. I view it as a warning. I would just like to get a few things straight first: - You can not guarantee that people will loose many because Jasin is involved - Our core community is aware of this situation and has expressed their opinon, none of them have dumped or a dumping because of Jasin. - Jasin's involvement with cachecoin was public - Blockchain 2.0 and POBOC ('Interchains') was public and we released that we will be working with Cache on this - Anon features were a part of Cache, we addressed the fact that the implementation was different. We never tried to hide the fact that Cache had Anon features. In fact we even discussed it with members. - This means that most people knew about nearly every detail of cache and the collab with XC
- You cannot prove that Jasin is stealing any code which I really don't think he is. As you said this your gut feeling. |
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I would like you to stop attacking other XC team members This thread was meant as a warning. Not an "attack on XC". People should invest elsewhere if Jasin is heavily involved in this project which he is. To me personally, some of your comments such as 'I tend to think you are rather slimey.' came across as a personal attack on team members and this entire thread has come across as an attack on XC. Also Jasin shares cool ideas with us yes, but the current core devs are Dan and other coders mentioned on the site. |
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I'll respond to Teka's questions (within reason as far as time it takes me) unless he pisses me off too. Also I will respond to anyone from the XC thread unless they're just using wordplay and throwing up straw men by saying there is no evidence - and try to simply deflect and use word play the way synechist has.
I have no intention of turning this into something too large to back up - I created a summary and then provided the raw evidence to back each piece up very adequately. Which point would you like me to back up Teka?
Each of my numbered points on my latest post is very easy to verify. The threads are linked on litecointalk.
I will no longer waste time dealing with synechist's wordplay (I would suggest others do the same)
I would like you to stop attacking other XC team members and XC directly. Also, if you can change the thread title to mention just Jasin names and that's only because current title make it sounds like he's a CORE dev. As I said, I won't comment and its not my job to comment on the work that Jasin does outside of XC. I've only responded when XC has been attacked directly or core team members. The core values of XC have never changed, we are still here to build a platform. Myself and other team members such as Synchesits are working crazy hours to get XC to where it needs to be. |
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XC has a fabulous future with not only Jasinlee involved, but your lead PR guy is wonderful and very effective in his communication style.
Thank You, feedback is always appreciated. |
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Is the XC braintrust implying that Jasin did not take orders on fictional asics and make statements about these asics (such as delivery, project status & performance claims), did not collect LTC, BTC and CACHE for these orders?
There's no proof. We didn't get emails. We used to be able to login and see our orders. Now all we see are advertisements for their coin. You make it sound like the page has a giant xc logo on it. It mentions and old project called cryptophi that was once part of the collab between XC and Cache. It's even at the bottom of the page for crying out loud. |
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You have no evidence, you have now resorted to attacking other members which is completely unacceptable.
I've been here longer then you.
I have a higher trust rating then you within the general crypto community.
I was doing trades here way before XC.
Dan was an active member of this Forum before xc as well.
Syncheist was an active member within the threads before he joined XC. I have PLENTY - every one of my BULLETED accusations can be backed up. I agree - you do have more trust / longer rating than I do. So did jasinlee (probably still does on the bitcoin forum. He's been around a long time.) When you say "Why do you care - he didn't take YOUR money this is pointless" then yeah. I tend to think you are rather slimey. I care about scams when I don't lose money. If it's related to your project - you should care too. Please tell me when I said that? My main response was that it's not my Job to defend Jasin. I'm here to defend XC hence why I have only just replied because you attacked other members. |
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Well what's the truth then?
That Jasin owes me $5,000+. That he owes others up to $30,000+. Please quit replying to my thread. You are reading nothing. That (regardless of what you say) I would have posted this if he owed me nothing. Prove that he owes you $5000. Do it here. Otherwise your allegations are unfounded. It will require me to pull old crypsty orders, the cachecoin order I sent to him, his wife's sockpuppet account buying cache. Which I can and will absolutely do as soon as I have access to my 2FA computer. You have seriously read none of those threads have you? Otherwise your allegations are unfounded.
. These XC guys stink ... more and more.You have shown no evidence, you have now resorted to attacking other members of the team which is completely unacceptable. I've been here longer then you. I have a higher trust rating then you within the general crypto community. I was doing trades here way before XC. Dan was an active member of this Forum before xc as well. Syncheist was an active member within the threads before he joined XC. |
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What is that opening post supposed to amount to?
You have nothing resembling a case against a scammer here.
- You have no evidence whatsoever that Jasin can (or wants to) steal XC's code.
- You have given no evidence of any kind about dumping/selling Cachecoin
- You have given no evidence at all of a sockpuppet account.
- Is it supposed to be a bad thing somehow that XC is mentioned on Fibonacci.io? What's wrong with that?
- Jasin is not an employee of XC.
- You've even got your facts wrong about sidechains. Jasin's technology is *interchains*, which *supersedes* the concept of a sidechain.
This thread is pretty ridiculous.
Please just delete it.
Maybe he's going to rewrite anonymization tech from scratch.You got it, Jasins implementation for Anon are different. Also please change the title to XC Team Member at least. |
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Is jasinlee really planning to "port" XC's code over to cache? Can an XC team member comment on this please? Thanks
I'm warning you it's in his plans. I referenced upthread on him talking about sidechains. He's also referenced private chat and anonomizing currency. If he would have the standards to wait until it is open sourced - I don't know. He took in massive amounts of cache in the presale though. This post is strictly in the best interests of the smaller investors of XC. I have nothing to say to teka/synchillis/whoever. I know you guys hate my "fud" - just like I hated the "fud" surrounding the ASIC scam until it proved to be true. Imagine if real companies had to actually address FUD attacks like alts has to. I guess time and size will help.
Real companies hold themselves to much higher standards. Shall I repeat myself? You are in no position to make the claims you make, and your absence of substantiation is frustrating. The reality is more like the opposite: Jasin's been a generous and energising collaborator who is always keen to tell us his ideas. Interchains and PoBC are his, but XC will benefit from them. Come on. Stop spreading FUD. Furthermore, he or we have never hidden the fact that Cache will have anon tech. We stressed and pointed out that the Tech they are working on for anon is diffrent to XC's implementation. Oh and you have a long way before you can start attacking me or synchesist. I've been here longer then you and had decent rep, way before this project.] Do your research, the op can help. |
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Reserved for further info.
Jasin is a part of the team and his work as well as his experience has been useful towards XCs development. We have no control over the Fibonacci site and never asked him to put the XC brand on the site. Also it seems like that site is used to promote Jasin's projects rather than XC.
Jasin's current projects (at the expense of those of us who have funded his time/effort are) #1 - XCurrency. #2 - Cachecoin. XCurrency is not Jasin, he's a team member and thats it. |
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