That would be fine if you could make it a sticky at the top of the section, but if it's just another thread, I'm not sure, because with the movement here it would tend to disappear buried among the many other threads, and I don't think there are so many events to keep it constantly updated. I'm not saying that it can't be done this way, I just think it would be better to have a sticky but I doubt that you can convince the moderators to put it.

As for it being illiquid, it's like art. Art in general is not very liquid, although it is usually sought after by rich people as an investment, which pays off over the years. But for that you have to know how to choose. With NFTs, which are digital art, the same thing, most of them are very illiquid, and on the way to the bear market, as 99% of them are going to lose value or go to 0.


I think that apart from the fact that in some cases it is a scam as you mentioned, it is a new market in which a bubble has formed and burst, so the vast majority of people who have invested in them are going to lose money.

I am going to put a news that I do not know to what extent to believe, because there are many economic interests in propagating FUD about El Salvador and Bitcoin, but if we enter a bear market I think there may be some problems.

El Salvador's bitcoin bond reportedly hasn't lured a single investor, and markets are bracing for a default on conventional debt.


I am not very fond of believing politicians in general, and even less so when they deny something. The fact is that if the bond has failed to attract investors, if the price does not take off, and we even enter a bear market, if adoption there does not take off either... I do not know, I do not see a bright future in the short term, although I think Bitcoin is a good bet for the long term for the country if it manages to hold on through hard times.

What do you think?

I'm not saying that there can't be some manipulation in Bitcoin, but if there is in such a decentralized system, there is nothing in the financial markets that is not manipulated.


I too think that the 33333 number is a just a coincidence. It catches your attention because they are 5 numbers the same but they are only 5 numbers the same as 34519. The 33333 in binary is 1000001000110101, and in quinary system it is 23202330. The repetition of the number in hexadecimal system is somewhat arbitrary.


This is only true in the short term; in the long term there has not always been a correlation, far from it.

I regarding the price, when we entered this year 2022 I already said I was pessimistic. I don't see Bitcoin beating last year's ATH this cycle, no matter how much good news we have like stompix mentions. And I also think the returns going forward are going to be more modest. Forget 20x between cycles or higher returns. That said, bitcoin is worth buying for what it is.

If we had bad news and FUD, I don't know. If we had a repeat of previous cycles we should not go below $20k, or maybe just slightly, as happened with COVID, but there is no guarantee. If for FUD we were to go below $18k or so there would be panic, a lot of panic.

Of course the younger ones are more likely to change if they study well what Bitcoin is. With people like Buffet and Munger there is no hope.

What also happens is that those young people who don't believe in Bitcoin had the opportunity to buy it at $1K to $10K etc., didn't do it and now are looking for excuses by way of confirmation bias to convince themselves that they did the right thing. It's a psychological self-defense mechanism: they look for anything in the news regarding Bitcoin that will reaffirm their belief that they are not assholes.

I completely agree, the only thing I would add is that if the gambling is with crypto it adds volatility. It is not a good way to have stable income but for a one time thing, if your hit the jackpot and crypto has gone up you have double profit. I think this is an added attraction that crypto gambling has over betting with fiat.

Regarding KYC, as I have commented in another thread, I think we are in an unstoppable trend towards massive regulation and KYC in virtually all casinos. There is too much money moving in crypto gambling and the states are not going to let it go.

Congratulations! You've discovered that regulations are bad for business. There are still casinos without KYC but it seems to me that we are on an unstoppable trend to fully regulated crypto gambling with KYC. This also means more taxes to be paid by the houses and a lower return to the player or a higher HE, however you want to look at it.

It is not all bad, because it is assumed that with greater regulation there is greater security against scams and greater player protection, with mandatory gambling resposible features, for example, but the past that you long for is not coming back.

I don't have a clear position on this either. I am an atheist, so the moral objections of religious type on this subject do not go with me and I do not agree that it is 100% a matter of "my body my choice" because if we consider that in your body you carry a life it is no longer a matter of your own.

I also see hypocrisy in this on the part of conservative and religious people, because they are against abortion but, historically, there have been quite a few cases where they took their daughter to have an abortion in a place where it was legal, or even illegal, for getting pregnant before marriage. And let alone if the one who got her pregnant was black or someone not well regarded in their social circle. All this while defending the prohibition of abortion. I guess they then go to mass, go to confession and feel free of sin.

What I think is clear is the crux of the matter is where human life begins, and there I think we will never reach a consensus, because I do not think there is a line where one second before we can say that there is no life and one second after that life has already begun.


Although the scientific definition is a good way to try to establish a criterion to decide whether it is a life or not, I don't think it is the solution either. The cortex will develop in those weeks but the consciousness of self, that I am here and I am something different from the rest, that I exist, does not appear until months after birth, and, on the other hand, what do we do with those who want to abort after the 27th week? Do we also prohibit it? I am thinking of a young girl who has not told her parents because of fear, shame, etc. Do we forbid it and if she has an abortion, do we call her a murderer? And the young girl is not the only case I could give as an example.


I don't think it's a straw man argument. I do believe that in the debate no one raises the question of killing a child once it is born, but there are radical feminist positions that defend that abortion should be free until an instant before birth, then, he speaks of one month, but I propose to consider the argument of one day: to kill a baby one day before birth is an abortion and one day after is a murder? I don't see a line there, as I said before, I see more of a continuum on which it will be difficult to agree.

That's what I was wondering. The thing is that the CBDC digital dollar is still years away from being launched and I guess regulation will do until then but once it is in place, I don't see much point in a stablecoins pegged to the USD if you are going to have a shitcoin issued by the FED which is the USD. Better the original than the copy, I'd say.

Basically I think the same as you expressed in the first part of your post, you have detailed it quite well.


Regarding this, if we simply talk about being a nice guy I agree, but I think there are cases where you can trust a person for his performance in the forum without having traded with him for the moment, but you would trust him to do it.

For example, someone who consistently exposes scammers and cheaters, who constantly works to keep the forum clean. Even if you have not traded with him, his performance suggests that he is an honest person with whom you could make trades, at least of low amount. This is reflected in LoyceV's guide on the trust system:



I have nothing personal against Timelord2067 but I put him on ignore some time ago and with time I see that it was a good decision, just like with franky1. I don't want to waste time dismantling obvious conspiracies about alts or obviously erroneous posts although argued with walls of text.

This is explained by the fact that, quite simply, improbable events end up occurring, and extremely improbable ones as well. With so many people playing the lottery every week, it is normal that someone will end up winning.


It can. You would see it differently if you had played millions of hands of (online) poker.

".. the odds of hitting a royal flush would be 4/2,598,960, which would work out to 1/649,740."

In other words, they are smaller than the jackpot in the news, and I, in the time I have been playing, have already seen it several times. The last time was one or two weeks ago and it didn't help me at all because the opponents had not anything and folded, I only got the blinds.

Good to know that from someone who plays there. Normally people tend to complain more than leave positive feedback and lately we haven't seen any complaints in this thread. Added to what you say, it makes me think that things are getting back to normal, if they haven't already.


I guess if the casinos work, he doesn't care a bit about what is said around here, as has been commented in the thread. But in the past, before there were problems with hot wallets and the delay in the payment of signature campaigns, neither he nor anyone from bitvest came here to answer individual questions that were raised, at least during the time I followed the thread, which was when I participated in the bitvest signature campaign. In this sense this thread is essentially different from others that you can see in this section where the questions raised are always answered by someone from the team.

Actually, I who think that gender theory is garbage, I think that the best thing to do for the future is to gradually make all WCs mixed, so that each person regardless of their biology (sex) or how they feel (the so-called gender) can enter without any problem. Of course with shared vestibule and individual compartments, as in the changing rooms, as I explained in the fluid gender garbage thread.


In the same way that your taxpayer dollars are spent on a thousand other ideological issues.

No, there is no active accusation. At the time I opened a thread on the subject, already locked today, and the only thing I would have liked is that things would have happened differently and I would have ended up removing the negative feedback to Lighlord, especially because when I opened the thread I was included in DT and my feedback became visible, so I felt a great responsibility.

But as far as I can see there are 4 of us DT that left negative feedback and we have not seen any reason to change it, less me that I have been following this thread when I have seen that it has been bumped and I have not seen any change with respect to addressing customer's complaints or delays in withdrawals, even though Lightlord is supposed to be in good health.

It seems that as someone commented in this thread, bitvest.io and 777coin are still more or less up and running so the owner doesn't care about the tags or what can be said about him around here.

I am referring to customers/clients and not to employees, so I don't see why it is misleading.

Hey OG, come on! The trust system is more decentralized than ever. There are 92 members in DT1 and 606 in DT2, it is laughable that you say that.


In this I agree that this is one thing that catches my attention. You have been in this much longer than me, I understand that, at least in its origins, the people who were in it were of libertarian tendency, so I am very struck by the number of socialists I see in the forum (call them left-wingers, or otherwise if you prefer) and I opened a thread about it back in the day.

Well, it is clear to me that merit and in relation to the activity is very important for all quality campaigns. This is what I have seen in the signature campaign I am in and after seeing many applications, those who have applied having much more merits than activity have been accepted shortly after submitting the application. There are other factors, of course. And a new campaign is not the same as one that has been running for many years and only needs to fill a couple of slots, in the latter case maybe some specific characteristics are prioritized over merits.


I believe that accepting "degenerate" gamblers in certain gambling campaigns is very profitable for the casinos because they end up losing everything they earn in the signature campaign and more.

Yeah, gambling and loans, what could go wrong? And on the top of that, poor self-control.

In gambling it has to be like in investments, do it only with money you don't need and can afford to lose. And I would say that even in gambling more, because your money is safer if you buy Bitcoin or shares of good companies than if you gamble, especially if you have little self-control.

That's what I was thinking. If I had a cryptocurrency company, I wouldn't go to California, at least to Florida or one like that where they don't impose a thousands of regulations and the highest taxes in the USA. It is no longer the state that saw the birth and growth of Big Tech, and if many of them do not leave it is because they are already settled there, but there has been an exodus of people and companies from that socialist state that restricts freedoms, to freer states.

He's probably PMd them to see if they were still interested in joining the campaign and they have replied affirmatively. That happened to me back in the day.