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This really has gone to shit.
A fair vote is the only way forward and quickly.
Many alternative voting systems have been proffered, all met by a deafening silence from the powers that be - why?
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Was it my imagination, or wasnt there a lot of complaints about the name?
As I pointed out a few pages back the complaints about the name declined over time and essentially stopped once the price stopped dropping. If the rename had been proposed 2-3 months ago I'm sure the response would have been quite different. As a dev for XMR, maybe it is best if you abstained from this discussion? it just seems a bit strange you are one of the most vocal critics against this Lol, who the fuck do you think you are? You're not smoothing any troubled waters you know? |
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as the community's designated marketing person, it is on behalf of the community that he is making these decisions. I would say he should be working for the community, putting the communities wishes into action. Now I think a lot of people have an opinion on the name because it is easy to have one. Its not like debating about the merits of one type of algorithm over another, a name, now everybody can debate that endlessly. So they do, accomplishing nothing. Accomplishing nothing? The name is the first point of contact for users, it dictates your search engine strategy, it's what identifies the product to the customer. Mainstream businesses spend millions researching names to accomplish nothing do they? Was it my imagination, or wasnt there a lot of complaints about the name? No, it wasn't your imagination, but your memory fails you - there was also a lot of support for the name. Look at the fucking poll to see what people genuinely think. From a marketing standpoint it is hard to sell a child's cereal/toy as a crypto currency. Well, thank god we're not in the cereal/toy business. What does this even mean? Do you keep accidentally finding Raspberry Pi's in your fruit and veg aisle? Maybe you keep picking up a citrus fruit instead of your phone? Now it really doesnt matter what the name is, we all agree the tech is what is important. So, why all the fuss all of a sudden? I've blown the "name doesn't matter" argument out the water so many times it's boring. Why not just call it garbagecoin or shitonyourpillowcoin? There is also a fuss about the way the vote has been rigged, it seems 60% of the community have no voice. I think this is important. where are the suggestions for others? I'm suggesting Boolberry....... I thought I had made that clear. Maybe the name matters, maybe it doesnt, A few sentences ago, you were so certain... what happened? but debating endlessly about the name change is not going to help anything. Then lets have a fair vote, problem solved. Does the community want to support windjc or not? This is what I want to know. We'd all like an answer to this question James, it's not exclusive to you. Are you part of the cabal? |
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But what about the people who have threatened to dump BBR upon a rebrand? I read somewhere that it is some sort of a silver currency and any attempt to become something else will be met fiercely.
I would be one of them - although I wouldn't dump maliciously or at a loss. This is because I believe changing the name to any one of the alternatives offered would doom this coin to ridicule and anonymity (in the bad sense) as well as complicating search engine results and exposing uncertainty in the direction of the coin. Other than that, I'm all for it. |
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will you volunteer to head up marketing BBR?
if so you can run against windjc and then if you win, you can decide to keep the Boolberry name
CZ definitely does not like these pointless debates and neither do I
James
I would consider it if I had at some backing/nomination from others, I would not just throw my hat into the ring for fear of it getting laughed out. I am certain there are others with more ability to do the job. It would also depend on what was expected, to my constant astonishment I have a real life too and I couldn't devote a massive amount of time to marketing goolies, boondocks or what ever the latest bizarre name suggestion is. Finally, it's not pointless James, I'd be far more concerned if no-one cared. |
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at some point in history boolberry would also be renamed to Arplex http://arplex.org/. and subsequently canceled, zoidberg said: Boolberry is not the best name, i see.
But i've decided to stay with that.
i'm so sick of this naming talks - it's not possible to please everybody.
I like this name and i'll make a value for this name with my work and my ideas.
Thanks to all people who suggested names, i'm very sorry that i didn't like it, please try to understand me.
The prize will be devided between all who suggested in this thread, with thanks and respect. Sorry again that i didn't take name here.
Now naming issue is closed.
I'm gladly go back to work, hope we will appear on exchanges soon.
PS: those who was complained that solo mining is impossible - you can try your luck now since hashrate is pretty low now. this is your second chance.
PPS: those who don't like the name - that's ok, i can understand you and respect your choice if you go to Monero(or whatever). Mine in peace!
Now the question is: Why insist on changing the name? I think there are other important things that need to worry. I remember this well and also remember that in his pm correspondence with me he seemed stressed and unhappy about the whole debate. CZ is a very talented dev and coder, but I don't think he is so happy dealing with strongly expressed opposing views - it does his head in. I was thinking about this earlier and wondered if he may have been hectored or worn down by the pro-rebrand cabal - who I will now call the PRC (see what I did there?) - maybe he just agreed to hand over responsibility to get some peace? There is certainly more important stuff for him to work on, this potential exploit being top of the list. |
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rename orbis  Orbis as in Orbit as in "to da moon?" more likely "to da rune" looking at the votes in the other thread... :/ Try this thread instead. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=786564.0Where the mid-game results are: Rune 15 (27.8%) Secore 3 (5.6%) Vortex 2 (3.7%) Boolberry 32 (59.3%) BitRing 1 (1.9%) Boollion 1 (1.9%) Total Voters: 54 In most polls this would constitute a landslide, but here, strangely, seems not to matter.............. |
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why not start a poll? (& quit deleting my posts)
Because sockpuppets. Sockpuppets can write as well as click a vote button. More vote rigging shenanigans. Several accounts with zero posts will look quite suspicious writing their vote in one word. Whereas a voting thread where dissenting posts get deleted looks legit? |
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There are a lot of reasons why companies become number one. Google was one of the few that did it on merit but a lot of companies that had the best technology failed. Lets go way back to the days of video cassette tapes. The Beta vs VHS war, Beta had the superior picture quality, it had a smaller form factor, but it didn't succeed because VHS has gotten ahead of the game, it was the one everybody knew about, because of the marketing. Idealism is great, but idealism alone rarely succeeds. Anyway I respect your point of view, we well just have to agree to disagree. If Boolberry is to succeed I think that it really needs to work on its image.
Sorry, couldn't resist. The reason Betamax failed was because it was more expensive and had a one hour recording limit. VHS allowed two hours meaning most films could be recorded in one hit. By the time Sony allowed two hours recording (at reduced quality) VHS had a stranglehold on the market. You see? It's the tech that matters. VHS won because Sony wouldn't allow porn companies to use Beta...end of story.......Sony is letting porn companies use Blue Ray....They learned there lesson It had nothing to do with porn and everything to do with fitting a football match on one tape and taking to your mates to watch. Just how would Sony deny anyone using their format once it was publicly available? "The first videos released under the Playboy banner were issues of Playboy Video Magazine (also known as Playboy Video and Playboy Video Collectors Edition). Twelve issues were released in this series, from 1982 to 1987. Early volumes appeared on CED, laserdisc, and Japanese VHD, while all volumes appeared on Betamax and VHS. Issues contained content similar to the magazine;"Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Playboy_videos |
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moolex (<- from moola, but molex is also known as a type of connector in electronics)
boolex
Boolex? BLX? Bollocks! |
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There are a lot of reasons why companies become number one. Google was one of the few that did it on merit but a lot of companies that had the best technology failed. Lets go way back to the days of video cassette tapes. The Beta vs VHS war, Beta had the superior picture quality, it had a smaller form factor, but it didn't succeed because VHS has gotten ahead of the game, it was the one everybody knew about, because of the marketing. Idealism is great, but idealism alone rarely succeeds. Anyway I respect your point of view, we well just have to agree to disagree. If Boolberry is to succeed I think that it really needs to work on its image.
Sorry, couldn't resist. The reason Betamax failed was because it was more expensive and had a one hour recording limit. VHS allowed two hours meaning most films could be recorded in one hit. By the time Sony allowed two hours recording (at reduced quality) VHS had a stranglehold on the market. You see? It's the tech that matters. |
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Can anyone point me to another significant coin that has undergone a rebrand that has produced a marked positive result?
I can't think of a single one.
[ANN][XCO] XCoin | CPU - Fast, Easy Mine, * NO PREMINE * | Official Thread ---> darkcoin  Sorry, no cigar. The XCO/DRK renaming happened eleven days after the coins launch - hardly a rebrand, more like second thoughts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4808284#msg4808284 |
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Of course the community comes first, but I want this coin to succeed, and if people entrench, and the coin remains stodgy it will never succeed. Boolberry really needs some PR, this coin is lacks branding, our web page makes no impression, a good web dev would go a long way. IMAGE REPUTATION things like that unfairly are more important to a coin success than the coin. How it is perceived is extremely important. Sure it's a great coin but if we don't re-brand its going nowhere fast. I'll give you one example. Stealth coin put out a video, that is fucking awesome, it convinced me to buy into the coin some. We need more of this and less of the berry name. It doesn't add to the excitement of the coin. Check this out, were not even close to the marketing machine of Stealth coin. I'll say this the last time, It doesn't mater if the coin is the best coin in the world unless you have the marketing to back it up. Here have a look and tell me, if this doesn't make you want to buy Stealth Coin? We need to play ball and create a coin people want to buy into, and not some boring coin named after a breakfast cereal http://youtu.be/AUN4K72cv10I think this video is awesome, and I think we really need to think about how we market this coin. Even if we keep the Boolberry name we need to remake it as something cool, and exciting. I personally think we should rename it, but if not at least re-brand it some how. I'll ask again, did Google get to be number one because of the name or because it gave the results people wanted? They got lots of grief for the name early on, but it's utility was undeniable so the name became associated with that and now Google is in the dictionary. That's not going to happen with Rune. Lets say Stealth becomes super-successful, lets say it starts to become mainstream - will it be able to continue calling itself Stealth? That has many negative connotations, will banks be happy with it? Government departments? Essentially, what you are saying is that we are trying to fool people into thinking this is something new - is that cool? A marketing campaign is a good idea, but one based on Boolberry. |
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Can anyone point me to another significant coin that has undergone a rebrand that has produced a marked positive result?
I can't think of a single one.
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As pretty much of an outsider, I've been on several forms, from the stealth coin forum, to Korecoin which is really interesting with there anonymous ViOP and eventually there adding video so a kind of anonymous Skype. From my perspective, the reason that Boolberry isn't seeing any action is that its grown stagnate in the alt coin environment. The top coins are the ones that are constantly innovating. Stealth has messaging, and now there working on a Open Bazaar market place etc. I think a new rebrand wouldn't hurt Boolberry. It'd be fresh all over again, people would see a different name out there and go what is this all about? The give the coin a fresh look and see what makes it such a great coin. People see it in a exchange and just pass it by and say oh that old news, I more interested in Stealth, or Saffron, or NXT with all the Buzz going on around them. KoreCoin just started to buzz with this ViOP think. I was over in that forum. I've been over in forums of some really small players as well. If you jump around like I have you really get a feel for what going on out in the larger altcoin environment. I can tell you this Boolberry is very rarely mentioned. Its kind of has been coin.I disagree with that because I think its the best privacy solution out there, but average investor wants action something to get excited about. I think a re-brand might do that. I personally don't mind the name Boolberry, but some people find it embarrassing because of the link to the male genitalia
Anyway that is my 2 cents, I'm probably full of shit, but just giving my opinion. I can see I did misunderstood you. This is all pretty new to me, been only doing Bitcoin four about 5 months and alt coins for about 3 of them. So there is a lot I don't know.
But it makes no sense to make such a big change, largely against the wishes of the community, for a perceived/imaginary short term gain when it will give big problems later. Boolberry is unique, friendly, connotation free and SEOwise it's brilliant. I would be more embarrassed to use the term RUNE with all it's D&D/hippy connotations. Google is now the biggest search engine by a huge margin - is this because of the name or because their technology is superior? Quite. We don't want average investors if they're all going to quote Lord of the Rings at us - we need serious investors with vision. Edit: Just in case anyone thinks I have a thing against RPG gamers etc, let me put you straight. I was/am a big RPG fan myself, although I prefer the Hero system to the D&D one. I'm a big fan of Vampire, Shadowrun and others. I could also be loosely classed as a hippy, but one that drives a big dump truck over the man rather than one offering him flowers. The problem is we are dealing with peoples money here, it's not a fantasy world and we shouldn't label it as such. Critical hit! |
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The voting on the free and open poll now stands at:
Rune 13 (26.5%)
Secore 3 (6.1%)
Vortex 2 (4.1%)
Boolberry 30 (61.2%)
BitRing 1 (2%)
Boollion 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 49
Boolberry is increasing it's lead.
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I think your exaggerating the impact of the rename, most people that buy the coin probably don't even know about it. I follow this forum at least several days a weak, and I didn't know about the renaming until today. So if there is a effect I would imagine it's too small to be considered relevant ant to the over all price.
That's odd because windjc has used even more tenuous "statistics" to prop up his arguments for a rebrand, why is it good enough for him and not good enough for me? You can't have it both ways, so which is it to be? You misunderstand. I think its a great idea, but you have to give it time to leak out. People need time to become aware of it. We live in a very insular community here. You have altcoins, than you have privacy related altcoins, then you have cryptonote. It reminds me what my mother always said. You worry to much not everything is about you, most people are more worried about themselves. I think that goes for fans of cryptocurrencies. This is a big deal, I agree but, to the altcoin community its relatively small even in relationship to of trades involving BBR. No, I didn't mis-understand, I also don't believe you can judge the effect of a rebrand on price yet. I was trying to illustrate the constant stream of logical fallacies that are being employed by the pro-rebrand cabal, I was expecting (wanting, even) to be called out on this as a way to turn the argument around onto them. I hope it's working. Everything about this renaming is wrong, from the exclusion of the most popular name to the arguments presented in support. A coup d'état (/ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/ ( listen (help·info)); French: blow of state; plural: coups d'état), also known as a coup, a putsch, or an overthrow, is the sudden and illegal seizure of a government,[1][2][3] usually instigated by a small group of the existing state establishment to depose the established government and replace it with a new ruling body. |
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I think your exaggerating the impact of the rename, most people that buy the coin probably don't even know about it. I follow this forum at least several days a weak, and I didn't know about the renaming until today. So if there is a effect I would imagine it's too small to be considered relevant ant to the over all price.
That's odd because windjc has used even more tenuous "statistics" to prop up his arguments for a rebrand, why is it good enough for him and not good enough for me? You can't have it both ways, so which is it to be? |
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Looks like someone(s) is accumulating. Guess not everybody thinks the rebranding is a bad idea Rune sucks. And that's checkmate. Well played sussex. Let's do a open vote. The problem with votes on this forum is they really do tend to devolve into ballot stuffing by trolls and sock puppets. There is no good mechanism to do it. Probably better to just conduct an open poll, recognize that the results will be a bit of a joke, but at least everyone has a chance to be heard. The developers then just reflect on the input and make a decision (much as CZ did a long time ago when first deciding whether to keep or replace Boolberry). A vote where choices are limited and where people's posts are being deleted is the worst of both worlds. Some feel muzzled or censored, all for no good reason because there is still no real integrity to it in the end. The poll as it stands now is a complete joke. A poll taken on a moderated thread cannot be considered neutral. |
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I guess you're the guy who says coin x price is collapsing because a whale is buying up the coin, when in fact the coin is dying.
It's interesting that you mention this. Has anyone checked the order book on Poloniex since the rebranding started? There are now over 150 BTC in bid walls for over 300k coins. That is close to 25-30% of total supply. I am assuming this is the first time there have ever been this many bid walls. Looks like someone(s) is accumulating. Guess not everybody thinks the rebranding is a bad idea Really? The price of BBR when you launched the poll was around .00082 BTC. The price now is .000729 BTC. That's a 12% fall in price. Is this how the market expresses it's enthusiasm for the rebrand? |
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