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341  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: May 15, 2015, 09:29:12 AM
Mainly people hate islam as whenever some terrorist attacks takes place the first thing comes to mind is that muslims will be involved in it and for our surprise everytime it has been proved true so now its a mentality of a society that only muslims are involved in killing other human beings.

Not really. Almost all of the times medias tell the killers are Muslims and most of the times they aren't sure.

Media outlets need news appealing to people's gut feelings to sell copies, advertising, etc. Some days it may be presenting a killer as muslim, on other days it may be pippa middleton b side & so on. Due to this being financially driven, non-Western media outlets may replace Muslim killers, pippa middleton b side type news with themed ones more appealing to their viewers, subscribers, readers gut feelings.
Just my 2 satoshis, however.
342  Other / Meta / Re: I dont pay loan but guy take collateral worth 3 times more and call me scammer on: May 15, 2015, 09:09:03 AM
I think he is saying that he should not be labeled a scammer. He doesn't appear to be complaining about loosing the value of his collateral.

yep thats what i think hes saying too, he had collateral so how is he a scammer?

It's possible 'scammer' is not the right word to use (that's arguable) but OP is definitely untrustworthy. The deal was not selling the account for 0.1 BTC, OP agreed to repay the loan and if he doesn't repay it then he's not respecting his own word. I would never trust or deal with a user whose word is worthless.

Besides that a big issue with OP is his trust abuse:

Yeah, I wouldn't say he's a scammer. He secured the loan so nothing was scammed. Like op is complaining about it's actually good for the lender he didn't/can't repay because he can make much profit on the account. Op has nothing to complain about in this regard because he offered it as collateral and knew the terms.

True Irfan got a good profit but therr is no reason for him to give his account back. Also calling scammer when a person do a quick-sale via loan is not a recent thing After all, it is a loan not a sale. I can correct the word in negative feedback if someone tells me more appropriate word which I can agree with.

Have you considered putting it as plain as Defaulted borrower? IMO, If you think it is not being clear enough you could still rephrasing it as Untrustworthy defaulted borrower. Just my 2 satoshi, however.

I dont care what you think. He earn on this loan 300% this is not normal. I lost 0.2BTC or even more and you told i not be trusted  what is wrong with you guys.
And im not scammer.

It doesn't matter if he earned 300% on the collateral - you didn't pay your loan on time and you didn't have an agreement for him to refund the excess value to you.  Keep in mind the value of the collateral could have dropped as well (scam accusations on account), in which case you wouldn't be complaining, right?

I'm ok with using your terminology - what do you want to call yourself seeing you failed to pay back a loan as promised?



You shouldnt call him anything, what if he had problems to pay the loan, wich he obviously did, you cant know what happened exactly. If someone does not pay a loan because he simply cannot i wouldnt call him a scammer, if he doesnt pay it because HE DOESNT WANT TO, now thats a different story

If he can't pay, he should tell it before due date. He obviously avoided it and now asking account back realizing the value.

+1. I think also that BitcoinBoss666 abusing trust feedbacks to retaliate & silence people here not agreeing with him, e.g. like you or EcuaMobi, only make him look more untrustworthy than ever. Screenshot to preserve evidence, here: http://gyazo.com/90e3f9bce587390c1625aed922f9eae7
343  Bitcoin / Press / [2015-05-15] Xapo Moves to Switzerland Citing Customer Privacy Concerns on: May 15, 2015, 08:42:40 AM
Xapo Moves to Switzerland Citing Customer Privacy Concerns

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Xapo has officially relocated its corporate headquarters to Zurich, Switzerland, citing the country's long history of neutrality and stability.

The bitcoin services and security firm said the transition was put in motion three months ago at the request of customers, and that now, Xapo's operations in Palo Alto are in the process of being reduced. As part of the transition, Xapo will hire new finance and legal staff in the central European nation while still keeping a small US presence.

In interview, Xapo CEO Wences Casares sought to position the move as one that would appeal to customers who remain worried about oversight of their bitcoin holdings and transactions.

Full story: http://www.coindesk.com/xapo-switzerland-privacy-concerns/
Official Xapo Service Discussion thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=902526.0
344  Other / Meta / Re: Recovering Compromised account on: May 15, 2015, 08:33:43 AM
hum.. according to an old post of  May 30, 2013, 01:33:25 AM  , ( from the "portice" account) you claim the bitcoin adress 1JQxSFaRUDRS6wp2yTsw59SEWyuy2UcebW is yours,
 so, could you please sign this message ie:  this is my adress from a stolen account , post the signed message here, and then finaly, PM Theymos with a link to this thread...

Kind regards

Here you go


-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
this is my adress from a stolen account
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1JQxSFaRUDRS6wp2yTsw59SEWyuy2UcebW
H1JJXJvP+rebscSjBpURJbkx7sVXfF7NvobIKUu6dJl+BCaJS9l6p4xAc9AoTb/ZaAxPb49JwCcz3ruubMW2YMM=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Witnessed BTC signed message & verified (http://gyazo.com/dd5e4a5d4c9809c089d97b7a9cf73ec3).
I would quote your post for further future reference, alongside a few unedited posts where the address above is still shown.

kill the POS and go strictly pow

boom, I solved ADT's and COL's problems at once

feel free to donate

1JQxSFaRUDRS6wp2yTsw59SEWyuy2UcebW

How can you kill the POS ??
i have 10.000 in PoS  Stake and can`t send them out Sad
Don't buy an account and launch a coin with a shady premine? Pro tip for you there, you can donate any IPO earnings to ....


1JQxSFaRUDRS6wp2yTsw59SEWyuy2UcebW

1JQxSFaRUDRS6wp2yTsw59SEWyuy2UcebW

I'm rich!

345  Other / Archival / Re: Last Drink You drank. (daily thread) on: May 15, 2015, 08:17:01 AM
A cup of black coffee. Hot, of course.  Cool
346  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: btc-i24.com Help on: May 15, 2015, 08:13:45 AM
Hi there everyone
i invested at btc-i24.com and it has been a very long time since i visited their website

may i know if they are just experiencing error?
or are they gone forever?

here is the error that i received
SSL connection error

btc-i24.com is only 1 of the many collapsed Ponzi scam people here fall into. If you search btc-i24.com on bitcointalk.org you would find plenty of posts describing how users got scammed by them, e.g. here or there.
Also, you should remind the following for your future investments:

1. Always look for your investments (at least daily), never forget about them;
2. Never invest in Ponzies or any other fraud scheme.
347  Local / Alt-Currencies (Italiano) / Re: Mangocoinz on: May 15, 2015, 07:13:14 AM
Grand_Voyageur in che senso mezzo di scambio" per far donare i ragazzi alle scuole?

Nel senso che Svonione di MangoCoinz, parlando di cosa stanno facendo come devs per lanciare questa criptomoneta proof-of-sweat, ha scritto che i dev di Mangocoinz sono in trattative con delle Scuole superiori per far minare questa moneta agli studenti che poi la donerebbero alla propria scuola, inoltre i dev vorrebbero fare lo stesso con donazioni a charity extrascolastiche (v. sotto).
Se da un lato diffendere questa criptomoneta ai teenager potrebbe aiutarli a familiarizzarsi con essa, dall'altro fargliela donare alla scuola potrebbe anche fargliela considerare come qualcosa che non gli fà venire niente in tasca o come un "gioco" di cui però non beneficiano (o al limite solo marginalmente). Ad ogni modo, il fatto che i dev di Mangocoinz siano riusciti a portare la loro criptomoneta nelle votazioni di Cryptsy lascia comunque almeno un pò di speranza sul futuro dei MCZ...

=snip=
One more thing worth mentioning about this business side of things is that we are negotiating to have MangoCoinz used by some high schools in the US who think it's a great opportunity to raise funds for their high schools or even charity. These are 2 new channels we think are worth using to acquire users.
High schools need funding and a lot of them organize fundraising events for their school. With MangoCoinz distributed to their student's phones, they don't have to anymore. Students can now help their high schools out by doing sports, running, and at the same time making money for their school. Sounds cool right? Not nearly as cool as the next thing. Charity fundraising. A lot of people donate to charity, a lot of them visit big charity events. Like huge runs for charity. Now, with MangoCoinz, they can run for charity where ever they are. They don't have to attend the event if they don't want to, they can simply download an app, go for a run, and all the money they make on the run will go to a charity organization. Easy.

A lot of good opportunities have come up on how to promote this, and we are making sure we get ready for all of them. A bright future for this coin guys.
=snip=
348  Economy / Services / Re: DA DICE Avatar Campaign | Next Gen Dicing | Join The Fun!! [FULL] on: May 15, 2015, 06:08:02 AM
Hi ndnhc,

I would like to enroll in the avatar campaign too.
Hope you could make space soon!  Wink

I'm recasting my application in the format OP required, see below.

Quote
Name: Grand_Voyageur
Post count (including this one): 1460
Bitcoin Address: 1GA5i9ibs6B9ebNEUFeKj6QZexWKiNbEUm
Profile link or UID: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=374000 (uid: 374000)
349  Other / Meta / Re: Stake your Bitcoin address here on: May 15, 2015, 03:33:05 AM
Bitcoin Address: 17ptMkiTdFV6U77aWonY9z9vEdTZ8xFTqg


Message: I bytezero signed own this address, May 15, 2015

Signature: IGATVJBOO9qisnYwmX1jaMj1nQpyIjHwmv7ngl8XHTgwQ0h+pMeHuvtRC3f7RzYLV+yledtaf9toQzftD4PfgFE=

Witnessed, quoted & verified!  Wink
350  Other / Meta / Re: I dont pay loan but guy take collateral worth 3 times more and call me scammer on: May 14, 2015, 04:59:51 PM
I take 0.1BtC loan and give my account as collateral(account worth 3 times more).
I dont pay loan becouse i have some problem and this guy call me scammer.
After he call me scammer i want to buy my account back becouse after i dont pay loan i think everything was ok.
When quicksilver tell true about this situation that guy close thread(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1060441.msg11375815#msg11375815 link to thread).
Im not scammer i never scam nobody. That guy earn 0.2BTC or more on this loan. Please be careful if you want take loan(from irfan_pak10) or use escrow(Muhammed Zakir)
I am just angry becouse i never scam nobody and dont pay loan if you have collateral is not scam for me. This guy irfan was really not nice for me.
He can scam in future with no problem.

1st: Cool you off. Being angry led to poor decisions.
2nd: You took a loan with collateral; then, You had not repaid the loan on due date so relinquishing your collateral to lender.
3rd: You (the borrower) & irfan_pak10 (the lender) agreed to loan terms; so, what all the fuss over it?
4th: I really miss the reason over MZ's scamming you; also, the trust you left to MZ & EcuaMobi may amount to abuse of the trust feedback.


Take care.
 Wink
351  Other / Meta / Re: scammer gave me a Negative trust because He Defaulted in loan on: May 14, 2015, 03:47:50 PM
It seems that the OP somehow knew that BitcoinBoss666 was an alt of the person who took out the loan, so he gave him negative trust ~a week ago. Then BitcoinBoss666 saw the trust and didn't like it so he left a negative on the OP saying that even though he defaulted the collateral was worth much more then the loan amount so he should not be labeled a scammer. (The fact that you cannot give any kind of trust rebuttal or response is a flaw in the trust system).

I don't think anyone got scammed here. The OP gave a loan for .1 but got .3 worth of collateral. He profits regardless if the loan is repaid. BitcoinBoss666 consented to giving his account as collateral for the .1 loan and when his gambling strategy didn't work out he lost his account (this is pretty clearly a gambling loan).

I don't think the trust given to the OP was calling him a scammer but was rather giving a rebuttal to the rating that was left on his trust profile.

IMO, if a rebuttal or a response could be left then we would probably see less retaliatory feedback left and would probably see less drama regarding the trust system (but maybe not very much less).

I shouldnt gave him a Neg trust so that he can SCAM Others too?
I never scam nobody. You earn +200% on this loan and you call it scam? What is wrong with you?

You defaulted a loan. Isn't that a scam? When you took the loan, the value of the account was somewhat same but after it became Sr. Member, the value increased and you aren't scammer and you want the account back?


Senior account worth 0.1 ? you really joke. This account is worth min 0.3BTC. You earn 0.2BTC on this loan and call me scammer? What the hell is wrong with you?

You are a scammer because you didn't repay the loan.  Not difficult to understand.

This is interesting.  In an extreme case, if someone hypothetically provided 10x collateral on a loan and defaulted, you would label them a scammer?  

I would've assumed the collateral is part of the "deal" such that, whether or not the original loan amount is repaid, the lender is satisfied (else the conditions of collateral wouldn't be agreed to).

The defaulted borrower deceived irfan_pak10 for his financial gain. So he is a scammer.
This was pretty clear that this was a gambling loan (there is no other reason to borrow such a small amount lol). I don't think it is his fault that he lost/busted/ect. The OP still profited from the deal. In order to be a scammer you need to either steal property from someone or try to steal property from someone. Who did he steal from? Please note that the OP ended up with more property then he started with.

But... When he took the loan, the value of the account was somewhat same but after it became Sr. Member, the value increased. Then telling he isn't a scammer because Irfan got more than he gave doesn't make sense. Scam doesn't mean "stealing", it means deceiving a person for financial/personal gain
I told you again. My account was senior before end of loan and i know it very good(I type it in request).

Well..you both made the said deal fully understanding the meanings. So, you - both of you - shouldn't cry fool because you weren't earning more than you got. Live with it!
352  Other / Meta / Re: Stake your Bitcoin address here on: May 14, 2015, 02:08:31 PM
My BTC address:1BKNV8kZZdvwFJ9aLMWemJaSp9XAozV2sm

Quoted for future reference!  Wink
353  Economy / Services / Re: DA DICE Signature Campaign - 'Da' BEST Yet | HIGHEST RATES! | JOIN THE FUN! on: May 14, 2015, 01:56:24 PM
How come im listed as full member for this week? I got Sr Member before the spreadsheet got reset.

 Roll Eyes
Maybe because you're still wearing a FM signature ad? I'm just guessing, however...
354  Other / Meta / Re: Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, and Ideas on: May 14, 2015, 01:50:41 PM
but looking at what Vod did he would have lead me astray too with the way he posed the question.

The title of the poll is your company name:
"PICISI: Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, and Ideas"

The question is simply written and not open to much interpretation.

Let's just see what the people think - I'm not going to campaign any longer at the polling station.  

 
hahahaa, You don't have to campaign at the polling station when you already rigged the ballot questions.

1) you first left off PICISI
2) you left off the parenthesis
3) you lead the viewer with the term "charitable" in the question

how could anyone that is reasonable make any other choice,



 


I would re-cast my vote as I left before. I also left the same vote on your own thread. IMO, your thread topic is misleading since seems to represent your company as a charitable/philantrophic/no-profit org when in reality this isn't the case. I would suggest you to rebrand your company & offer to refund donated BTC to people who have already sent you funds.
355  Other / Meta / Re: Philanthropic Investment and Charity for Inventions, Startups, and Ideas on: May 14, 2015, 12:52:12 PM
I'm running this poll since the one created by Armis is diluted (i.e. he has too many options to throw off the results.)

The question is simple:

Looking at his organization name, could Armis be considered to be passively passing his company off as a charity? 

This poll will only run for one day, since everyone who cares to vote will vote within that time.

Thanks.



Looking at the topic I could understand such an organization would engage in charitable/philanthropic endeavours to support inventors, would-be enterpreneurs, etc. So, to reply to your question, I would say: Yes, his company may be understood as a charity.
356  Bitcoin / Press / [2015-05-13] Blockchain Tech Could Improve Banking, Says EBA Report on: May 13, 2015, 07:56:43 PM
Blockchain Tech Could Improve Banking, Says EBA Report

Quote
Blockchain technology has the potential to reduce costs, improve product offerings and increase speed for banks, according to the most recent report from the Euro Banking Association (EBA).

Founded in 1985 and supported by the European Commission, the EBA is a practitioner's body for banks and other service providers that promotes a pan-European payment system and business practises.

Despite mostly dismissing digital currencies – the report notes they differ from "legitimate fiat currencies" – it asserts their applications are essential for "gaining more advanced knowledge of crypto technologies".

Full story: http://www.coindesk.com/blockchain-tech-can-improve-banking-says-eba-report/
357  Economy / Services / Re: DA DICE Avatar Campaign | Next Gen Dicing | Join The Fun!! [FULL] on: May 13, 2015, 06:04:10 PM
Hi ndnhc,

I would like to enroll in the avatar campaign too.
Hope you could make space soon!  Wink
358  Other / Off-topic / Re: Post your Total time logged into Bitcointalk on: May 13, 2015, 03:08:39 PM
Total time logged in: 32 days, 4 hours and 32 minutes. Cool
359  Other / Meta / Re: Upload avatar from URL on: May 10, 2015, 07:05:25 PM
I guess that someone had tried to attack the forum via the Avatar feature earlier and hence they do not allow to upload an image via a URL as one can upload a virus as well. The feature of uploading pictures via the PC makes it safer.

+1. This is also the reason animated gifs seems to not be allowed as avatars or, at least, they're not working for me.
360  Other / Meta / Re: Stake your Bitcoin address here on: May 10, 2015, 06:41:54 PM
nice idea, i will post mine too;

1HALw3khwbvobiMHwo66L1DXPxMi6JSsE8

smith coins from bitcointalk May 10, 2015
HxaqrG+rYb2OUg7bR1a9dzOXNZZVJyOdZdvRtUBS+JjWGD1DKy+1aX4dlqpU23NqujrFHAreVOQzgKXlhsMuevc=

Witnessed & verified!  Wink
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