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341  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Will Iota partnering with Microsoft put it in the Top Five on CMC? on: March 23, 2016, 10:21:17 AM
Ethereum and Factom both are one of the very few that Microsoft had join Azure along with Iota.

Will Iota reach a market cap like they did.

Btw, does anyone know who the other coin is that Microsoft added as a partner?

I think partnering with hardware manufacturers would put it in the top five. Without hardware support on it's own Azure does almost nothing as it's just a SaS platform with templates.
342  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POLL [IOTA ]- ICO 2 -Do YOU want to buy IOTA at a reasonable price? OR BIG SCAM? on: March 23, 2016, 10:12:13 AM
With an ICO people only have the choice to invest or not if they know about the ico. Hence why max effort to advertise is required. Also that does not stop the devs being able to buy their own to keep more of it or just to make it look like there are many investors or even just run with the funds.

It's fine if you don't like the all singing dancing shilling ICO. That's not the point though. It is surely harder for the devs to manipulate or retain a greater % of the minting the larger the ICO gets. Especially if done like NEM where you see the username and how much they have bought. Because the dev would need to create thousands of sock puppets to get 50% and inject thousands of BTC himself to get 50% but if there were only 10 people 5 sock puppets and a few btc would do it. So advertise it well let it run for as long as possible make it transparent as possible and add POW. There you have a far better ICO. Still not as good as POW though.

I agree with you on the transparency and publicity of ICOs but partly disagree on mining. With PoW eventually you will end up with the very same results, only the way what goes there is somewhat different. IMO PoW isn't better as most (smalltime) miners are forced to sell for getting a return on their mining investments.

Anyway I still don't think that CfB intentionally neglected widespread advertisement on the forum, because of he wanted to grab most of his coins.
343  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Lisk will fall like a rock! on: March 23, 2016, 09:53:06 AM
What? Like failed Crypi devs magically will make this work?

You tell me some facts that prove my statements wrong. Do you really see lisk getting real world use. Thats what you need for success these days.

Lisk has none of that

You stated something mate. I've asked for for a factual explanation. So proving your statements is your job.

Just another question. Do you see any altcoin (incl. ETH and Iota) getting real world use in the near future? I don't think so, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
344  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Lisk will fall like a rock! on: March 23, 2016, 09:36:01 AM
Thanks for sharing your views about Lisk. Would you mind to support your opinion with something factual stuff?
345  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are Jews behind the Attacks in Europe on: March 23, 2016, 09:25:37 AM
Remember so what? This is a true fact? How you can say this?
All jews have the right to go out from Germany before lager become an "official" nazi machine...

I think he refers to that when some overzealous american jews declared economic war on Germany in 1933 (and caused some significant damage indeed) what left the german jewry in a pretty shitty situation.
346  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Black ppl bad attitude... So its my fault you enslaved by British and Africans? on: March 23, 2016, 09:17:52 AM
Recently a black bloke was talking about how my ancestors enslaved his ancestors. I told him that I'm Hungarian and my ancestors never enslaved any blacks. They slain the black on the spot because of they were most likely bashibazouk mercenaries or slaves for the turks, therefore nobody would pay a ransom for them if captured. This put him off the track, so he left me alone after that Smiley.
347  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Explosion at Zaventem airport in Brussels on: March 22, 2016, 09:27:11 PM
Lol. I think you have problems with logic and dont understand causes and consequences. Terrorism exists for centuries, it was always just a tool for political and economical interests. How do you think, if all muslims in the world will disappear, will terrorism disappear too?

So, you are not willing or unable to answer my question about how to negotiate with them and what to offer. You can deny or disperse the problem but that will not go away.

Of course terrorism not going to disappear but without muslims that would be a lot more sporadic.
348  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Stable altcoin? on: March 22, 2016, 09:24:56 PM
Stable altcoin is something like a bag of dehydrated instant water Smiley.
349  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Explosion at Zaventem airport in Brussels on: March 22, 2016, 12:31:06 PM
Of course not. But it has to deal with the cause and the root of this problem. When have the hatered, deportations or similar things solved any problem on this earth? And we all know that America has the fingers in this from the very first moment and that their wars and wrong decisions in arab (muslim) countries also caused this situation in Europe.

Well, deportation is working fine in the UAE, Operation Wetback in the States was also a sound success. The root of the problem is group what wanted to be segregated from the majority and don't accept our ways of life. Of course they can do that. Back at home.
350  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Explosion at Zaventem airport in Brussels on: March 22, 2016, 11:57:10 AM
Funny example, I have the same. All nazies in Germany were Germans, and it means that all Germans - nazis. Irish bombers from IRA ve killed many people in UK since 70s, it means that all Irish people are terrorists.

You can try to twist many examples in defence of those terrorists, but that's not going to work. As soon as the UK govt sat down with the IRA and have made some meaningful negotiations they stopped killing people (for a while). What reasonable negotiations you wanna do with muslims? What we should offer to them? Convert the whole EU to islam, introduce sharia law and pack our women into rags?
351  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Etherium going to be a Corporate coin? on: March 22, 2016, 11:39:32 AM
ETH have some corporate and bank support. But I think they only see it as a prototype for their own creations.
If you are looking for something what is independent from corporate players, then try Lisk when it will be released (but I'm not sure about its independence). NXT and Qora are also good alternatives with the same or nearly the same functionality but for a fraction of the ETH price.
352  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POS coin for playing a bit on: March 22, 2016, 11:33:40 AM
I would like to play a bit with a POS coin. It should be cheap to do POS mining. Can you recommend a coin? I started with getting ZEIT, but it obviously it takes some Zeit before POS mining is possible.

Thanks

You can try Energycoin. It's cheap, staking after one day, and there are some development and community support. You can get some on Bittrex.
353  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is there any real difference in Vitalik of Ethereum and Bobsurplus of crapcoin? on: March 22, 2016, 11:25:53 AM
Bob creates random coin named something like Donkeycoin, issues an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

Vitalik creates coin, issues an IPO, calls it not an IPO, uses the IPO money to manipulate the market and pump the coin, then dumps on everyone.

What exactly is the difference here?

I dont create coins nor do I ever issue any ipo's. I invest in many ipo style coins because I dont have any mining gear so I cant get into mined coins. I often promote for the project I've invested in but that's only natural for anyone to want to share news about an investment he made and hopes will pay off.

I have no comment on the the ethereum project. Just wanted to clear a few things up here.

you are nothing but a sad pathetic lowlife

as i said your day will come

that i assure you

lonely piece of trash

Leave him alone. Everybody with a half brain here knows that if Bob got involved in a coin he did that for profit, not for love or for charity. He never denied that. Invest accordingly.
354  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POLL [IOTA ]- ICO 2 -Do YOU want to buy IOTA at a reasonable price? OR BIG SCAM? on: March 22, 2016, 10:40:47 AM
1.The POW model as I described it can not realistically be easily dominated by any person or without them expending = energy per coin as anyone else. If it can then not in a great way. Your example still does not counter the version of POW I put forward. Not anywhere near the extent of an ico with no regulation or transparency. One person especially with a small ico say 50 people or 100 people could easily find numerous ways to get HUGE percentages of the total minting. Especially if it has no POW. Even a large ICO with no transparency at all the dev could take a lot of the minting there are many ways. Sending BTC to his own dev pot, making false accounts etc etc.

As far as I know there are several PoW coins are out in the wild what used the same four principles what you described above (none of those were p&d proof) but indeed the miners were able to get it for the electricity price and had the choice to dump or hold. Also, more transparency around the ICOs would be really good. But actually with an ICO everybody have the choice to invest or not, dump or hold, however some forward thinking is needed.

Anyway I still think CfB is a very good programmer with unique ideas and great expertise, but very little sense for marketing and achieving big publicity for his coins. You see, he shared all necessary info in an ANN thread, he also made an ICO thread with all the needed information, and then nothing else just coding Smiley. Personally I like more this approach than the "American style" all singing, dancing and shilling ICO/launch campaigns what we can see here, but as I have to think about my pocket too this attitude doesn't make his coins attractive for me. So, while  my "engineer myself" keep praising his work, my "greedy pig myself" will go for something else with better marketing Smiley.
355  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Explosion at Zaventem airport in Brussels on: March 22, 2016, 10:20:25 AM

When has that ever stopped them from wasting suicide bombers and fighters against civilians?

All muslims in the Europe support suicide bombers and terrorists?

All nazis in Germany supported the endlösung? No they didn't, just some. Is that change anything about the opinion about nazism?
356  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Explosion at Zaventem airport in Brussels on: March 22, 2016, 10:17:59 AM
how many more of these until people accept that it is time to deport muslims from europe?

You think this a solution? And there is no other way for terrorists to come to the Europe? That is exactly what they want, to have one more cause for further attacks.

Indeed they will have more reasons for further attacks, but if they are back at home they not going to have the opportunity to do so.
357  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Explosion at Zaventem airport in Brussels on: March 22, 2016, 10:15:11 AM
"Cui prodest". I dont think that muslims stand to gain from this.

Perhaps not, but I'd bet they were the implementers.
358  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POLL [IOTA ]- ICO 2 -Do YOU want to buy IOTA at a reasonable price? OR BIG SCAM? on: March 21, 2016, 01:02:47 PM
Even a snail will come out of it's shell if it has enough motive it seems. Really all this battle because you don't like people being "butthurt and sour grapes" But really come on must we talk as children. Let's not focus only on our own personal likes and dislikes..

OK fair enough Smiley.

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How can you even start to say POW can be as gamed as ICO. That is really silly. Try again please.

Here is POW

1 announced ahead of time and advertised launch time and date with wallets in zipped rars
2. low block reward to start
3. fast scaling diff
4. long mining period.

Tell me again how this is open to gaming like your ico with no regulation, no transparency. It's quite strange that you would even suggest it.
The smaller and less known about the ICO is the far easier it is to game.

Well, how can I say that? Maybe because of experience? Using PoW as distribution method is of course a different approach, but you will end up with the same results as in the case of an ICO. Actually because of the limited availability the "pump price" will be higher. Can you remember the initial AUR pump, or the huge LTC pump and dump in 2013-2014? Several very fairly distributed (given away like COMM, or C2 and some others) went on the same path. After the distribution people dumped it for BTC a few people bought it in large quantities for 0.1 btc per stake (1million coin), pumped it to 200-300 sats and then dumped the coin down under 10 sats.
359  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [FACT] Spoetnik supports IPO/ICO coins.. on: March 21, 2016, 12:47:29 PM
i agree early days yet, and we have to focus on the right direction, i personally don't consider bitcoin all that useful as a proper p2p currency (its kinda the distraction).

Agree, a quick microtransaction optimized coin would be better and probably that's the right direction.
360  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: is lisk the new eth? i'm talking about hype crazy pump on: March 21, 2016, 12:45:13 PM
Exactly the only way to stop these crazy pumps and dumps or at least make them more difficult to pull of by the minority is to ensure there is no minority with all the coins to start with....then they can't pump and dump so easily if at all. They need to control the majority of the coins to make huge pump. If everyone has some and buying and selling at different times or whims this will stop their party.

Although most are not really interested in wide distribution at the start really which is fine so long as they don't pretend they are.

DEVS should be made to care about it though since they have an unfair advantage from the very start.

ICO guidelines
POW guidelines

I appreciate what you saying but let's face reality, you can't stop that wealthy minority to get and accumulate cheap coins. When ICOs were not widely practised here miners kept dumping their stash for peanuts and the very same few people bought and accumulated those coins en mass. Of course that ended with a pump and dump as well. Just take a look at old topics here.
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