Afternoon all
New 2 BTC and investing in general - wanting to take advantage of the new world I entered at a very small 0.2 BTC @ 5.7k. Have plenty of funds and considering buying 1 - 2 whole btc as I'm gathering confidence that it'll return to 10k+
Discuss and help a newb out.
There is no Merit for you here, boy! Do you ever wonder why more newbies don't come into the Bitcoin space? Maybe, just maybe, quite possibly, they are just genuinely trying to join the "community" here try and engage with it. That was their first post, as a sign that maybe new investors are entering the space. I'd say if this was the case, you might of made them feel that the community is too insular for them  Imagine if he has no idea what merit is, he'd now be researching it, probably realizing how cliquey this community can be at times  I always respect your opinions, but I'll also say when I disagree. Agreed with the essense in general but... in this particular case, look at the nickname... "Here4Gainz"... C'on... |
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This is a celebrity named Olga. ... Here is a long list of famous people w Covbull-19. Almost all are feeling fine, one has some body aches, and one is doing fine in a hospital. Covbull-19 seems to have its strongest effects on money printers and T.P. lovers. https://www.vulture.com/2020/03/famous-people-celebrities-with-coronavirus.htmlBased on testing numbers about 11 percent of the NBA has Covbull. About half of a percent of the U.S. House of Representatives has tested positive. They all are feeling fine. I'm starting to wonder if somewhere between .5 and 11 percent of the U.S. has it and its actually extremely rare to get any symptoms stronger than the flu. Germany has been doing a lot of testing. They have a .2 percent mortality rate. The new drugs should get it under flu death rates soon. Prognosis: Covbull healthwise is a nothing burger and never comes close to killing as many as the 80k deaths caused by snake bites each year. Febrile money printers can't undo what they have done. Helicopter money is upon us. Bernanke prophecy fulfilled. Dude, you are not getting it, do you? It's not the fucking Ebola, yeah, and it may be even softer than the flu for most persons but: 1) Unlike the flu, no one is inmune 2) It is highly contagious... probably more than the flu. 3) Some of the very few people that have bad symptoms usually develop a very bad pneumonia. 4) Patients with a bad pneumonia usually need ventilators to have a chance to survive. 5) We don't have more than a few thousands ventilators and it is very hard to obtain more right now because every fucking country needs them and manufacturers are overwhelmed. 6) There is also a complete scarcity of masks and other personal protection items.. Which makes anyone going anywhere near an hospital or a doctor, for whatever reason, to have all the chances to be infected. In Italy the number of people needing ventilators to survive have already exceeded the number of available ventilators. Which, btw, are also needed for some things other than this covid thingy. In Spain we are quickly reaching that critical ceiling in some regions like Madrid. This is not about number of deaths but about the medical services being overwhelmed and unable to keep giving proper treatment to the patients that need it. So every effort it is being focused in slowing the spreading of the virus trying to maintain the figure of people needing ICU/ventilators below the number of available ones... until everyone have already been exposed to it... or a vaccine is ready. Get it now? |
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We had been keeping abreast of the news but things began to progress much more rapidly than we expected. Early this morning, we got a text message from our government saying to get home asap because they were closing the border to all but non-essential travel. Once we got the border, we were told to self-isolate for 2 weeks but it seems to be on the honour system. We just managed to make it back to our preferred home. Hopefully you won't have too much difficulty where you are.
Good to hear that. It's important to be already where you want to be. Here it started like that.. The "honour system" you mention... Then it all escalated from there and in 48 hours we were in full nationwide lockdown. (Funny note: It sounds as we are talking about an alien invasion and how it started in different places of the world before it all felt apart lol) I am good, it's my GF's house where I also live frequently and have everything I need. But I recently bought a house with plenty of land which would be the PERFECT place to completely isolate from the world no matter how long this shit lasts... and not being there, precisely when it would be like the fucking paradise, is frustrating me to... unexpected levels. Plus I had plans (before this lockdown) to keep on the renovations I was doing myself, the gardening, getting the pool ready, etc etc.... which would be the best and most productive way to use all my time now and give a shit about everything else. Being unproductive when I could avoid it is taking on my nerves. Anyway... I am polishing a master plan that will put to work before next monday at most if they don't relax the restrictions. And if you say that you have to go to your property to feed your, chickens, horses, dogs, cats... Yeah, that was Plan A. I do indeed have some feral cats wandering around the property. A couple of them mostly living there. I do have water and food dispensers for them that will run out soon. They are not really "mine" so no documentation... but I could show the surveillance camera footage if questioned... But donno, doesn't look like a solid alibi but more like a false excuse. Also I have heard they are some times registering provided information and could contrast it next time you are stopped, more so when it's just your word without any supporting documentation for your claims. Plan B. I have prepared all documentation I could find to "prove" it is my "usual home", like deed, internet fiber bill, bank statements, etc... This is important because it is not the home I have in my National Identity Card, nor the one in fiscal records being all three different. So I can "prove" I am living there, ok... now comes the problem that I am 15km away and also I need an "authorised reason" to go out. So I will go to the pharmacy here to get some meds and maybe to a Carrefour to try buy something usually "scarce" (Maybe TP). If I am questioned why I did go that far and not to the supermarket a few hundred meters away (from my real destination) I will explain that I couldn't find the TP and decided to drive to the Carrefour because I assumed they would have the TP and also knew there were a nearby pharmacy. That is if I am questioned while still being near my origin point. As I get closer to my destination without being stopped I will go to a gas station and refuel and that will become my new (more credible) explanation. ... This is ridiculous. At least Bitcoin is pumping. This is fine... sorta. |
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I'm glad I only cashed out like $30k worth of BTC last year. It will put me among the poor folks when it comes time for some of that sweet free money they're handing out. Especially now that I'm married.
Thanks socialists. I'll put it to good use protecting my own individual freedom.
BUY BITCOIN WITH IT YOU GOOF! Probably he already spent most of it during that ridiculous war against a poor third world country that was just trying to defend its sovereignty. Money well spent. Priceless. |
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We had been keeping abreast of the news but things began to progress much more rapidly than we expected. Early this morning, we got a text message from our government saying to get home asap because they were closing the border to all but non-essential travel. Once we got the border, we were told to self-isolate for 2 weeks but it seems to be on the honour system. We just managed to make it back to our preferred home. Hopefully you won't have too much difficulty where you are.
Good to hear that. It's important to be already where you want to be. Here it started like that.. The "honour system" you mention... Then it all escalated from there and in 48 hours we were in full nationwide lockdown. (Funny note: It sounds as we are talking about an alien invasion and how it started in different places of the world before it all felt apart lol) I am good, it's my GF's house where I also live frequently and have everything I need. But I recently bought a house with plenty of land which would be the PERFECT place to completely isolate from the world no matter how long this shit lasts... and not being there, precisely when it would be like the fucking paradise, is frustrating me to... unexpected levels. Plus I had plans (before this lockdown) to keep on the renovations I was doing myself, the gardening, getting the pool ready, etc etc.... which would be the best and most productive way to use all my time now and give a shit about everything else. Being unproductive when I could avoid it is taking on my nerves. Anyway... I am polishing a master plan that will put to work before next monday at most if they don't relax the restrictions. |
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I'm finally capitulating. I can no longer withstand the enormous pressure to return home from my virus-free surroundings. This town's only Chinese food restaurant shut down yesterday and they never close. It's time to pack up and leave. See you on the flip side.
Yeah, go back home or wherever you would rather prefer to stay confined in the case of a full long term lockdown before it's too late. I am currently "trapped" in the wrong home because I can not move anymore without risking HUGE fines. Was waiting while putting my shit together till everything clarified... and restrictions tightened instead. Now I am only like 10km apart from where I would like to spend my isolation time and I can't go there. Frustrating. |
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that looks like an excellent way to kill as many people as possible The idea is to get EVERYONE exposed to the virus... at a rate in which the hospitals don't become overwhelmed. |
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Can't go outside after 8 PM, no alcohol, this virus is brutal.
Try not to listen the media much. There are few YT videos which make sense and spending some times to watch them may give you some peace and of-course to learn some truth. Do they explain how to get liquor in a liquor ban? I'm not worried about getting sick, I'm worried about maintaining one of my longest running hobbies. We should have never stopped making our own liquor. Have you tried contacting some drug dealer? I think they have their own independent supply chains and probably have access to anything their clients could need even if not their usual product line. Also I can't believe only a few days into the lockdown and you have already run down all your reserves?  |
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Better to force all vulnerable people to stay at home and let society function as normal otherwise.
... so everyone can visit and contaminate their favorite elder. Forget it. This "quarantine the weak and old"-idea is just shortsighted AF. Take two minutes and think about the consequences, all of you. That's a lot of cons for an unreal goal this attempt should achieve. I'm tired, but almost no more sickness. The missus is craving for a movie night in the home theater (aka living room). See you later, when i'm actually will try to stay more on WO topic. Observing $5446. No more nosedives please, BTCQuarantining the weak and old is exponentially easier than locking down all of society. Most of the truly vulnerable are already in nursing homes. Quarantining nursing homes is not very difficult. Short sighted is giving into panic, locking down everyone, and causing exponentially more deaths long term as the world goes into depression. The deaths from poverty in a global depression will make the Coronavirus deaths look insignificant. You don't get it, do you? Quarantining nursing homes was one the first measures taken. It wasn't enough. With this rates of infection spread people would have ended stopping going to their jobs to avoid risk of infection anyways. Now they can more safely keep working (the ones in critical jobs to support the rest). |
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Most bitcoins were mined when their price was below 50 bucks. There are millions of them.
Do you understand what means?
It means this whole thing can go to zero and halvening don't really mean shit. There is no bottom. No TA.
You are right that BTC has no bottom. No TA, it can go zero anytime but I don't agree that most of the bitcoins were mined under $50 price of BTC doesn't necessarily mean that all these mined bitcoins are not moved. Other people have valued these BTCs more higher than $50 and it's not $50 for them. I don't have idea about how many BTC isn't moved 2013 (Would appreciate if anyone shared a tool to check if available.), depending on that stats, I don't think these will be a couple of millions. I assumed the figure and the opinion is from that assumption. Correct me if I'm wrong. It doesn't matter that much. Many of those coins are already "lost" forever or in very strong hands. In the second choice, we are talking about hodlers that have had the opportunity to sell at this and way higher prices already... and probably they have already extracted as much FIAT as they wanted, so they don't really NEED to sell now at suboptimal prices. Most of the selling we always see are usually just weak hands, people that needs the money or that simply just realise how much overinvested they really were. Also in a liquidity crisis some of those hodlers might want to go bargain hunting stocks or other commodities so it is completely natural that BTC price also dumps to the point were they risk/profit ratio is again better than that one of stocks. In a situation like this, cash is king short term... Althought you don't want to stay on it when the recovery starts as it will be left way behind. When that happens, some will go to stocks, some to BTC, etc... until everything rebalances again. Past production/acquisition costs (like $50 per coin) are a thing of the past. I bought my first coin at around 50€. Yet that figure is now completely irrelevant to me after having had plenty of opportunities over the years to sell it for thousands... and even having bought others for thousands instead. So that's how much I value my coins. Would I sell for less if I really *NEEDED* it? Probably... if I really can't avoid it. I am sure someone with heaps of those $50 coins is not in much need. Even though, some will sell... and some others will buy. As it has always been. |
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Ok, this seals it for me, the bio-engineered virus is a spook operation for sure. Probably CIA is only agency with access to such bio-weapons or authority to commandeer such access. NSA is branch of army so maybe them too but unlikely to get involved. May even be a rogue branch that 'slipped up' while doing their hidden masters bidding from the seat of the UN or some other global secret society power, e.g. Fabians.
The virus was engineered by a laboratory in Wuhan, and includes parts of tuberculosis and HIV. However, most of those reported with the virus dont have it, and most deaths also have nothing to do with it. Basically, anyone dying from pneumonia or from a cold is being marked in hospitals as a victim from the virus. The virus is real, but the pandemic is fake. Can you point me to any solid/irrefutable evidence of that? The ones who died in China, however, were infected by it. Since its a hybrid virus, it needs a push to work properly, and this was done with the 5G installed in Wuhan. The process of electroporation allows for remote control of the virus, through the use of nanomilimeter waves. These waves can penetrate the body and reach the cells, but they need an agent and a transmitter, in other words, the virus and the 5G cellphone. The chinese population was vaccinated against coronavirus in December 2019. Ok. Nevermind. It was all a joke, ain't it? |
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Yes, it *has* been that bad ever since the '08 financial crisis: A complete zombie economy hanging by a string.
Eh, we're merely back to 2018 levels. It needs to fall a LOT more to hit 2008 values. In Spain we are now already BELOW the lowest point of 2008 (IBEX35). EUROSTOXX50 will be there soon too. And there have never been a drop as sharp and deep as this one. It dwarfs the 2008 movement. This is way more than just a financial/liquidity crisis. US is next.... Interesting times. Tourism probably explains the Spanish stock exchange for a large part. What I'm surprised at, at some of the press conferences today from world leaders is no one (leaders or journalists) gave two fucks about all the citizens who to a large part are stranded abroad. I know some people who are going via a charity to probably get home. THe impact on tourism is and will be *HUGE*... But the impact from the lockdown (while probably necessary) will be even bigger. Absolutely incalculable. Usually embassies help on repatriating citizens trapped in foreign countries in case of disaster but... there's not that much they can do at this point when no matter in which country they are if they are probably also in lockdown. People are advised to stay wherever they are. Frontiers and airlines are shutting down most everywhere in Europe. In one or two weeks into the lockdown it will maybe possible to reevaluate the situation but at this point there is a huge uncertainty about... most everything. As I said... Interesting times. |
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Yes, it *has* been that bad ever since the '08 financial crisis: A complete zombie economy hanging by a string.
Eh, we're merely back to 2018 levels. It needs to fall a LOT more to hit 2008 values. In Spain we are now already BELOW the lowest point of 2008 (IBEX35). EUROSTOXX50 will be there soon too. And there have never been a drop as sharp as this one. It dwarfs the 2008 movement. This is way more than just a financial/liquidity crisis. US is next.... Interesting times. |
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Lo cierto es que no parece un virus tan terrible como algunos parecen pronosticar, no?
Me refiero a comparado con la gripe común por ejemplo.
Parece más miedo a lo "desconocido" que otra cosa.
No sé... por el momento soy escéptico.
Pues igual no ha envejecido bien mi comentario, no? Aunque no deja de ser cierto que sigue siendo un poco como la gripe... solo que sin inmunidad de las masas... vamos casi tan terrible como era la gripe en sus inicios... que no es poco. En cuanto a lo que decís de que se saturen las conexiones de internet en España, sí y no. Sí están cerca del límite en algunos casos y momentos, pero no, no hay problema porque ya tienen el dedo puesto en el botón de filtrar streaming de video unicast (principalmente netflix, hbo, etc) que es lo que más ancho de banda está ocupando y, seamos sinceros, no es crítico. Mano de santo en cuanto sea necesario. En cuanto a las medidas financieras de Alemania... hombre, Alemania tiene dinero, España no. Además ya se han subido las pensiones y el salario mínimo, con un dinero que tampoco tiene ni el estado ni las empresas. Todos los fondos de reserva del estado están prácticamente agotados y los que no, ya se preveía que lo estarían muy pronto con esas medidas (antes de la crisis del Coronavirus). De lo único que me alegro es de que la moneda sea el Euro y no la puedan devaluar localmente... o hace ya mucho que estaríamos como Venezuela. Cualquier ayuda tendrá que venir de fuera... aunque aquí la vendan como un logro que viene del gobierno (ej. financiación, ayudas, que obviamente serán préstamos de la UE). |
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Nice ride! Let's do it again!
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Ok guys, that's it. I'm done with the WO for a few months.
There's enough overblown lunacy in the MSM over this coronavirus, I don't need to come here and read the same panicky bullshit (it's the fkn flu guys).
I'll probably log back in sometime in May or June when this whole thing has blown over.
And when it has, I'll surely raz the shit out of some of you hypochondriacs daily when I come back (you know who you are...the ones predicting hundreds of thousands or millions of people dead).
... Or maybe we will all be dead and there won't be any WO to come back to. Think about it. he wins either way see how this works? Mhhh, smart move  |
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Ok guys, that's it. I'm done with the WO for a few months.
There's enough overblown lunacy in the MSM over this coronavirus, I don't need to come here and read the same panicky bullshit (it's the fkn flu guys).
I'll probably log back in sometime in May or June when this whole thing has blown over.
And when it has, I'll surely raz the shit out of some of you hypochondriacs daily when I come back (you know who you are...the ones predicting hundreds of thousands or millions of people dead).
... Or maybe we will all be dead and there won't be any WO to come back to. Think about it. |
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Exclusive access? That's a completely wrong and risky path Trump is following there. He is completely underestimating the amount of LIFETIME-HATE that would generate in pretty much billions of people (or the survivors from that figure) from the rest of world if he really succeed in that. If I were Russia and all my population were dying because of that I would just push the self-destruction button and call it a day. And any average Russian people are way more crazy than I am (not to mention their psycopath leaders). I will just assume it is an out-of-context headline. |
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Now everyone will stay at their homes in the hope that things get under control asap and maybe there won't be needed an extension of the full lockdown after this 15 days pass.
Hi bitserve, to do it well, apart from closing bars, restaurants, gyms, cinemas, restaurants, yesterday, when the alert plan was announced, and the president said that "everyone stays at home", it is useless. If you force a part of the country to shut yourself up at home, but the president says: That people can go to their jobs on Monday, the contagion will inevitably continue to increase, he is stupid. Spain as always, making a fool of itself due to its political leaders. I hope that we can overcome this crisis without reaching extreme situations. I think when he says people can go to their jobs on monday he means somewhat critical jobs or ones not open to the general public... most business have already shut down or slowed down themselves. You can't just shut it down EVERYTHING. People know they should stay at their homes already. If there is some business that keep running it is probably because they NEED to... so I wouldn't force them to completely shut down unless strictly necessary (ie: after we get some results/stats about the success of this first preventive lockdown). Business that should be kept running (even if at reduced capacity and with safety procedures): - Health: Pharmacies, Hospitals, distributions, factories/producers, etc - Food: Supermarkets, distribution, producers, etc... - Telco .... - Energy - Oil/Gas station - Security, police, military... - Construction/maintenance (in some cases) - Vets - .... There are lots of sectors that can not and should not shut down because we rely on them. |
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