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1321  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 11:59:10 PM
istr dialing the webpage directly lol

dial up multi-line BBSing was the the thing in my day.

i remember using telnet and lynx back when you could still get pure text web pages.

And using X.25 pads and several hops to access the internet with so much lag that you needed to blindly type the commands and wait till they started echoing from the remote site Tongue

Not sure I really miss it lol

1322  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 11:51:58 PM
I've seen people struggle to use a photocopier or a fax and you're telling us they can become programmers? I'd like to see it.

Also, what about the structured knowledge of society that leads you down this or any other lucrative path in the first place? How would a dummy know how to judge these things? Last time I checked they were drinking industrial bleach as an elixir!
I'm sure everybody in this thread has seen people struggle with even dumber shit. For some reason some people either don't have the right mindset to identify solutions to problems by themselves or they are inherently incapable of doing so.

However, you can certainly teach those people how to use a photocopier or a fax and basic programming is no more difficult while also in high demand.

People who drink bleach as an elixir have already solved all their problems. The remainder can use the internet, which is what I did. I have spent years scavenging the internet for dozens upon dozens of different paths. There's no wizardry going on here, literally pick a bunch of acceptable categories and a bunch of desirable ones then go from there.


You can't tell me that people are too stupid to Google "What jobs Y that involve X are there and what are the salaries?" and then follow up with "What paths to Y are there?". And I also don't believe that people who immediately fold are inherently incapable of following instructions until they commit them to memory.



You are a smart, college educated guy

Half the population has an IQ less than 100

You know I've noticed the lower the IQ the more preoccupied they are with getting laid. I have speculated that that is a programmed evolutionary trait. I have no clue if I am correct and have never researched it, just made note of it as being Odd.
Perhaps if you're less intelligent you need to win by quantity over quality. Which seems to be in line with the data. The lowest IQ people are those with the most children. Ironically having more children than you can support not only makes survival harder, but also actively hinders education.

If there was an additional tax for each children you have instead of social benefits maybe they would have a second thought... or maybe not Sad
Haven't really thought it through, but I'd certainly prefer that over uncapped benefits per child. A policy that is heavily exploited by certain groups of people and partially responsible for the anti-refugee rhetoric.

There was one family with two underage wives on public television proudly stating that they have no intention of ever working. All while receiving social welfare for each wive and child support for each kid. Of course people who paid 60% taxes their entire life and live around the poverty line will get pissed off at that, and rightfully so.

Yes. I may be sounding insensitive or non empathic... but it is when I think about those kind of people when I become that grumpy. Too many groups of people FULLY AND COMPLETELY living off the rest, without working, and spending more than I do. It's completely crazy. Sometimes I think maybe I should become one of those. It really upsets me.

I am ok with not letting anyone die of starvation if we can support it. But if someone permanently lives off social benefits, he should (at the very least) not be allowed to have any children.
1323  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 11:45:35 PM
If there was an additional tax for each children you have instead of social benefits maybe they would have a second thought... or maybe not Sad

It's also ironical that the same people that complain there are not enough jobs are the ones making new babies... for which they can't even provide basic education and life advice.

Paying for other people to breed has always turned my stomach, that is one of the biggest faults of governments.

If you can't afford them don't fucking spit them out!


That's exactly what I am saying.

I don't really understand why I do have pay additional taxes for each property I have and children are not only not taxed but in some cases even have tax benefits. It just doesn't make any sense. Rewarding irresponsibility...
1324  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 11:40:49 PM
I've seen people struggle to use a photocopier or a fax and you're telling us they can become programmers? I'd like to see it.

Also, what about the structured knowledge of society that leads you down this or any other lucrative path in the first place? How would a dummy know how to judge these things? Last time I checked they were drinking industrial bleach as an elixir!
I'm sure everybody in this thread has seen people struggle with even dumber shit. For some reason some people either don't have the right mindset to identify solutions to problems by themselves or they are inherently incapable of doing so.

However, you can certainly teach those people how to use a photocopier or a fax and basic programming is no more difficult while also in high demand.

People who drink bleach as an elixir have already solved all their problems. The remainder can use the internet, which is what I did. I have spent years scavenging the internet for dozens upon dozens of different paths. There's no wizardry going on here, literally pick a bunch of acceptable categories and a bunch of desirable ones then go from there.


You can't tell me that people are too stupid to Google "What jobs Y that involve X are there and what are the salaries?" and then follow up with "What paths to Y are there?". And I also don't believe that people who immediately fold are inherently incapable of following instructions until they commit them to memory.



You are a smart, college educated guy

Half the population has an IQ less than 100

You know I've noticed the lower the IQ the more preoccupied they are with getting laid. I have speculated that that is a programmed evolutionary trait. I have no clue if I am correct and have never researched it, just made note of it as being Odd.
Perhaps if you're less intelligent you need to win by quantity over quality. Which seems to be in line with the data. The lowest IQ people are those with the most children. Ironically having more children than you can support not only makes survival harder, but also actively hinders education.

If there was an additional tax for each children you have instead of social benefits maybe they would have a second thought... or maybe not Sad

It's also ironical that the same people that complain there are not enough jobs are the ones making new babies... for which they can't even provide basic education and life advice.
1325  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 09:44:10 PM

Another story it tells is that the "satoshi" that was posting here was just a SINGLE individual which is also consistent with his content, style, syntax and punctuation. It also shows that he had consistent/regular sleeping times. Probably a family man with a regular job.
1326  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 08:55:11 PM
Keep in mind this is part time shift work, not full time permanent.

Could you live on 10 hours of work per week at minimum wage?

How much would that be translated to yearly income? You would be surprised on how little I can *survive*....

Anyway, this isn't about me.

Yeah, if those works are just 10 hours a week, you would need to do 4 or 5 to fill a reasonable 40-50 hours work a week. Which doesn't even sound that slavish though.
1327  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 08:49:53 PM
Do you think they want five jobs?

Absolutely not. But they CHOSE a life their pockets cannot pay for... without several jobs.
1328  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 08:48:14 PM
It is not unusual for immigrants to hold down 4 - 5 low paid jobs, working in car parks during the day and restaurants at night.  They are normal people and want to have families.

I see two jobs there.... anyway... I understand they want to have families, I do want many things (probably less expensive than a  multi-child "family") but it would be my choice to have X number of jobs to support it... and I couldn't complaint about it because that would be the life I would have chosen. What I mean is that they could have chosen an easier life, so it is not that they have been forced to work as slaves all day and night.

I don't really think anyone needs several jobs just to sustain themselves.
1329  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 08:40:32 PM
The rise of "slashies" (people with multiple part time jobs).
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47984295

I was one a couple of years back.
It's BS that most people like it. Basically, it is a rat race which in US is exacerbated by the absence of benefits (so you have to pay extra for them).
A full time job and a hobby (even involved hobby) is better, IMHO.
I wonder how crypto/btc will fit into this trend.

PS man city scores...foooook!

Agreed the casualisation of the workforce is corrosive to society. How is anyone supposed to raise a family if they have 5 jobs?   It’s a shit way to live.

Who has 5 jobs?

And why would someone that needs *5* jobs decide to start a family? That seems completely reckless and irresponsible. Next they will be asking for social funds because they had more babies than they could afford to support by themselves.
1330  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 07:47:26 PM
As you guys know (or should) I always keep an eye on www.coinatmradar.com to see how it grows.

Is there anyone here other than Mr. Toronto who actually uses these things? They seem weirdly quaint an idea to me. Literally everywhere else will give you a better rate on average.

I don't, but probably "normies" do... so that's adoption. I prefer the rates of exchanges because I don't care using banks, KYC and all that shit.

Also the rates on some are very reasonable and overall seem to be lowering the fees on average due to increasing competition. So all is cool.

On my next holiday to Vegas I do plan to use them and try to support all my cash expenses from it. This year I won't be going, hope summer 2020 has a good enough price so that I don't care withdrawing some..... Just saving on the exchange rate from euro to usd would probably compensate it.
1331  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 07:37:08 PM
As you guys know (or should) I always keep an eye on www.coinatmradar.com to see how it grows.

For the past few months there wasn't any interesting thing to comment but now that has changed: For the past week the average of new ATM installations has reached a whooping *11* a day.

https://coinatmradar.com/charts/gauge/

It's like the rate has suddenly double/trippled in comparison to the past months/year.

1332  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 02:56:31 PM
It was a rhetorical question. Florida police wouldn't care.

Example:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg49911915#msg49911915

Maybe not the police, but certainly the IRS/Fed if you told them that you're a sovereign seastead and don't want them to steal your money.

Of course, from THEIR point of view it would be you stealing THEIR money.
1333  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 05:25:15 AM
Good morning WO,s

Updated thread taking a coffee. Wink

Good morning VB. Looks like Bitcoin is treating us well lately Smiley
1334  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 04:01:26 AM
but I am still shocked by the extreme overreaction of Thailand over what was a ridiculously small boating thingy in the middle of the nothingness.

I thought so and still think that it was a overreaction.
The following hypothetical scenario occurred to me, though...

Imagine that once one structure is there, a shenzen factory starts mass producing such units and "stitch" them to each other, forming basically a colony near a country.
Later, they would "send" 100k people to live on those structures.
Then, how would they possibly deal with such development?

I don't think "independence" would work 13 miles away, unless some micronation actively encourages this.
Maybe some in Polynesia (more likely) and/or Caribbean (less likely).

Interesting story about chinese buying defunct ukranian aircraft carrier and rebuilding it.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/what-if-china-never-bought-ukraines-aircraft-carrier-and-rebuilt-it-32897
If there would be more for sale...then someone could make a 'seastead' in the middle of the Pacific.
IMHO, seasteading is a nonstarter when done in close proximity, as this case shows.


It basically wouldn't work. Even if the neighbouring nation would somehow let the seasteads be there, they could always impose sanctions to commerce and travel such that the individuals living on them would NOT be allowed to enter the neighboring country nor anyone buy goods on it to sell them to the seasteaders. It would basically be a way of saying: You wanna be left alone? Fine, now you are really alone.

See what Thailand inmediately did there: Cancel Elwar tourist visa. Go against the local people and business involved in the making of the seastead, etc.... Death penalty was not even needed and completely overkill... that being said, I am not sure if the charge has been officially make, all newses just seem to imply it has only been "suggested" as a possibility (still ridiculous but a little less).
1335  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 03:51:59 AM
Dispelling LN FUD from Rizun For others that care to research -

[...lazy wall'o'text...]

Hmm. That's an awful lot of stuff to dredge through. From a cursory glance, much of which I am already conversant with. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to list which of Rizun's FFFoLN are rebutted by which said articles you have provided?

For the record, the following is my restatement as best I concisely can of Rizun’s ‘Five Fundamental Flaws of LN’:

1) Lightning scales txs not users
2) Friction in layer 1 leaks into layer 2
3) Routing failures are inevitable
4) Much trapped liquidity in the system
5) Running a non-custodial wallet is more cumbersome than onchain

1) Not a "flaw". And not completely true. Yes, LN MOSTLY scales txs but in doing so it frees up space on the blockchain for more users. And that's how it was intended.

2) Yep, and at the same time the mere existence and usage of LN reduces friction on L1.

3) Maybe. Haven't researched into the subject in this early stage. How BIG is the issue CURRENTLY?

4) Trapped liquidity is bad? Anyway... when we reach, donno, maybe 1 million BTC "trapped" into LN we could talk about it. At the moment I only see around 1000BTC *IN TOTAL*.

5) Shouldn't be. Maybe current wallets need to improve. Non custodial LN wallets should be pretty much straightforward and almost transparent to the user.
1336  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 24, 2019, 03:28:46 AM
Not much of a difference in terms of law.

Elwar build nothing, he was just a tenant.

That's like finding a houseboat on Airbnb... nobody is going to arrest a tourist for renting one in the US.



Try declaring sovereignty in a trailer on the mainland and see what happens.

It is a very powerful idea. Which makes it dangerous.

The thing is that you can't declare sovereignty inside another state/nation territory... Well, you can, but that's asking for BIG trouble. Which is somewhat understandable because in some way if you claim you are another (micronation) and are in the territory of a previously established one that would be interpreted as an invasion and an act of war.

Elwar was supposed to be outside of it and in international waters... and see what happened anyways....

It's a complex issue... but I am still shocked by the extreme overreaction of Thailand over what was a ridiculously small boating thingy in the middle of the nothingness.
1337  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 23, 2019, 06:02:12 PM
I love how the more I ignore Bitcoin to dedicate my time to other IRL stuff, the more it rises alone Tongue

Stay away then.

WTF are you doing here bruh!

Cheesy


hahaha, but I need to check once in a while, otherwise I would be in front of clear case of Schrodinger Bitcoin where BTC could be at any fucking price all at the same time (which is exactly how I feel when I am out too busy to even check it out).
1338  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 23, 2019, 05:14:49 PM
I love how the more I ignore Bitcoin to dedicate my time to other IRL stuff, the more it rises alone Tongue
1339  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 23, 2019, 12:47:13 PM
And still, when that day comes then you Will always have to face the greedy demon of yes i’m rich where I wanna be when you reached your goal, but then many Will think It can be more and I wanna have more and NEW expensive things that are still out of reach Will become more interesting etc.... Smiley

When I reached however many trillions it was in paper value I celebrated by buying a second hand hat.

Then I sent it back because it was crap.

You live in Zimbabwe ?

Also XhomerX Made you a very NEW one.... wasn’t good as well Roll Eyes

Your Maybe not the most easy to please??
Goose, not sure you know who you're dealing with here



Hmmm, infofront dressed as gentlemand hodling Mic? What's this about?
1340  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 22, 2019, 11:20:12 PM

Nice Savannah cat there. It's probably the only cat I would consider paying for instead of just adopting one.

On other news... nice price Smiley
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