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541  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 24, 2020, 07:46:02 PM

Unfortunately, my life seems to be your life....frugal/boring..etc....need to do something truly epic and senseless and of 'dubious' moral values...

but nevermind I need a nap...later

Brad


Indeed you are. My expenses are frugal but my life is nowhere near boring, in fact one thing I would like to experience some day is some sort of boredom even if for brief moments. My last time of feeling something near that is when I was in the hospital for several days a few years ago. It felt great.

Anyway, yeah, you are an interesting example of someone clearly living below his current means and always worried beyond rational most probable expectations. Of course, doing that for the past few years is what have allowed you to reach this point. Kudos to you.

You are older than me... Also have more BTC than me... on the cons you live in a WAY more expensive country than me... But all things considered you are probably living comparatively in relation to what you have more frugally than me (which is already a lot to say). May I ask you why? What's your goal?

You already "made it" considering BTC, pension, previous asets, family office income... Now what?
542  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 24, 2020, 07:31:48 PM
I have lifestyle goals?

Frugal or extravagant or anything in between... we all do.

My goal is for BTC to "secure" my currently very frugal lifestyle (expenses wise.. investments are another completely different thing)... for life or lets just use a round extremely optimistic 50 years expectancy. If/when that is secured we can start talking about new goals.

I am sure you have your goals... mind to share?
543  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 24, 2020, 07:07:43 PM
Fresh Tim Draper interview, reiterates $250,000 by 2022, early 2023.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/02/24/why-tim-draper-was-out-of-the-market-for-six-months.html

Nuts.

... But hoping I am the nuts instead. Tongue
544  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 24, 2020, 02:18:56 AM
Fuckin BSV,
Despite the stop limit, I was caught, Lost 1k yesterday..  
Just a pure M.F*****



OOOOOOOOOF. Sorry to see that happen, mate. I recommend never using stop loss ever again. Its the most useless function ever.

We need a conditional stop loss with a time measurement. Like a trailing stop but it measures dprice rise in %/dtime. Basically the "velocity of price". 3% in 2 seconds? No activation. 3% in 2 minutes? Yes.

There are "stop loss LIMIT" orders in some exchanges. Stop loss market order is something I wouldn't ever use... if I used stop loss orders, which I don't.

But the big advice here is DON'T LEVERAGE LONG (or even short) SHITCOINS, more so without enough collateral to cushion any dump/dump or order book "anomaly". Thank me later.
545  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 23, 2020, 03:15:22 PM
Why don't you guys talk about an ordinary flu? It kills more than half a million people every year. Instead of that you like to talk about the corona virus? Why? You want others to stop using cash? Paper bills because they might be infected with a virus? You want to scare them to start using crypto? Is that it? You want cashless society? Well maybe that's better. But lets just say that without playing games around. Lets just say hey people from now on we'll use crypto the new money. Yea!

Wut? Fuck flu! CoronaVirus is the virus of the future. Way more efficient and every infected and death person is recorded in a ledger and as more people get infected or die it gets added to the count and distributed across all social networks so that everybody knows in mere seconds.

People all over the globe are being infected and added to the ledger. And if you want to make sure an infection is sure you just need to wait for the quarantine period to fully confirm.

It also has a worldwide network of incubators, even if currently most of the incubating is being done in China because people lifes are cheaper there. But that is slowly changing and I have heard the chinese are trying to ban it (again).

And we even have a sidechain of Airlines for fast spreading of small batches of people (Real time tracker here: https://www.flightradar24.com/). There's a temporary limit of around 300 people MAX for each transportation, but that will increase in the future as the tech keeps improving. Almost instant worldwide contagion, bro!

There's only a max of 7.5 billion people that can be contagied, and that number will be decreasing with each halving of the population by each pandemic cycle. The people won't be able to keep increasing the population with their uncontrolled reproduction.

Governments are trying to control it but in the end they will realise they can't. The more that they do the stronger it will get. COV doesn't care about frontiers or if you are poor or rich. Just try to get in early before all the FOMO starts and hospitals become overhelmed and you will do well.

We are very early stage but CoronaViruses are here to stay. The virus has already been planted. Now watch the exponential increase! 2021 will be the year of COV Adoption.

Let's moon now! (the earth is already doomed). Where's my mask (tm)?  


... And you ask why the talk about CoronaVirus here? Really?


P.S.: You can check current status of the network here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg53896968#msg53896968
546  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 22, 2020, 04:53:05 PM
King of The Kingdom
seems to be alive and well
Risto Pietilä









#haiku


Dragon, no?

castle burning down
omnipotent deluded
chemical dragon


Bleh. What I REALLY want to know is if the "castle" was insured and if the insurance did pay.
547  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 22, 2020, 03:18:03 PM
We are too squeezed-in for really big moves.

On one hand, dump to 8xxx looks like almost 100% sure thing, but so what...

Surely we'll recover by April. No biggie.



I used to panic by such moves but I don’t care any more. The end result is the same - MOON.

I am guilty of wishing my life away until late 2021 though when the next parabolic rise is expected. Anybody else the same?

Not me.

For several reasons:

- After being deluded in december 2017 into thinking that I could be "financially independent soon" (tm) and then receiving a hard blow to my hopes by the subsequent crypto winter, I learned not to take anything for granted. Even if the possibility of reaching that point is still there, I need to be fully aware that it could take an undetermined number of extra years... or never come.

- I also decided that the time, attention... and expectation I was giving to it would all be thrown to the trashcan if my hopes don't materialize so I needed to involve myself in other new side projects that would suck most my (already limited) time in the meantime. Projects that will fit either if my "crypto hopes" materialize... and that also will somehow fit if it doesn't. Main of those projects is the "vacation" house and land I bought last year and that needed some upgrades that I am mostly doing myself. If Bitcoin does good I will use some BTC to cancel the mortgage and THAT will be my "lambo". If it doesn't, I will maybe have to sell the house (most probably at a profit) as I can't stand the current deficit cashflow for many years... but if Bitcoin does well I will have already finished what I wanted to do (on a personal level) with the money.

- As I have decided to plan for both possible scenarios, that means more work and thus more time needed. When this ends, hopefully successfully, I will not only have "da money" but also my free time back as I am anticipating and doing all the hard work now.

So no, I decided to keep me extra busy and stressed in the meantime instead.
548  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2020, 02:41:17 PM
Personal Income Tax Rates

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CountryTax Rate
Sweden57.20
Japan55.95
Denmark55.80
Netherlands51.75
Portugal48.00
Australia45.00
China45.00
France45.00
Germany45.00
Greece45.00
South Africa45.00
Spain45.00
United Kingdom45.00
Italy43.00
South Korea42.00
Switzerland40.00
United States37.00
India35.88
Argentina35.00
Mexico35.00
Turkey35.00
Canada33.00
Indonesia30.00
Brazil27.50
Singapore22.00
Russia13.00

USA looks like a bargain compared to  the others. The only dealbreaker is, you get taxed twice if your income is outside of the US. I don't know if there are other countries doing this.

Those are regular income taxes, not capital gains which is what should apply to Bitcoin profits. Also, max rate doesn't mean anything. It is way more important to check the corresponding tax for each income bracket. I.e. In Spain you need to earn a lot to reach that 45%. In Denmark it seems you reach the max pretty easily.
549  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2020, 02:18:22 PM


Then later the official part begins where they seize bank accounts, real estate, automobiles, etc. This is where good lawyers might block or reverse the seizures. The onus is generally on the accused to prove the assets were acquired through legal channels.


Yup, that's worldwide practise. And since he probably bought it with CASH and he is now a known convicted "drug" seller he will have a VERY hard time proving the money he used to buy those Bitcoins did come from legal "channels" and the source was "clean" money... hence the "fishing rod" accident (lol).
550  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2020, 01:17:32 PM
Basically, the situation I'm in is if I didn't have BTC to supplement my income I'd have a very sad life; never eating out, no holidays, no 'nice' things every-so-often.
I'm VERY lucky to have BTC. Very.

treating ourselves to something extra every now and then via btc i mined or bought is the deal i made with my wife when i 1st got into btc.

gotta take profits at some point. we certainly enjoyed our "upgrades." works for me as this all could still take a digger.

Maybe ironic the treat for myself way back was to spunk some money on bitcoins, its full circle.

Not "maybe"... completely ironic I have tightened my expenses to absurd limits just for being able to hodling moar. When I could be spending way more than before (I have always been very frugal) I am spending even less than before. Ironic is even an understatement.

Admirable.  Smiley

Nah. It's probably just greed. I am a professional satisfaction deferrer. Time will tell if I did right or were just a fool.
551  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2020, 02:07:57 AM
There will always be some form (even if informal) of governments.

And I am sure there will be basically the same type of governments before I die. So nothing will change for ME (or you) for all practical purposes.

Nothing will change until the majority believes it can change, guess who's winning?

Then that majority will be the "new" government.
552  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2020, 02:04:24 AM

Not at all. I am very pissed atm. But I knew that had to happen. I just thought crypto was still minor enough to not warrant that kind of new rules. I guess adoption is already reaching levels where they think they need to use the "tools" at their disposal.

Governments would never let everyone go and switch to a different kind of asset they can't control in some way. Making kind of "ilegal" to have "hidden assets" (unreported to them) they secure they can control the flow (and taxable events) of those.

Also, this is what happens when a radical left wing alliance takes over the government as it has happened in Spain: The horror.

Fucking communists.

That is why we need the infrastructure in place to bypass them completely.


Working with institutions is only going to lead to more of the same.

Bypass governments? Near 100% habitable land on earth is already government controlled. At the most you can choose which one do you prefer to live under...

You believe humanity will be controlled by governments for all time until we are extinct?

There will always be some form (even if informal) of governments.

And I am sure there will be basically the same type of governments before I die. So nothing will change for ME (or you) for all practical purposes.
553  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2020, 01:42:29 AM
Da fuck! What country are you in?!?? Never saw capital gains taxed so fucking high. That percentage is ridiculous even for regular salary income FFS!
50% income tax, give or take depending. 25% sales tax. Hidden taxes on everytyhing, not sure how much but not less than 50%. In total, 80-90% taxation.

Which is why there is no fucking way I will get off with ONLY 20% when they get around to bitcoin. States always want More.

Denmark, by the way.

Jesus, I have just checked and it is true Denmark has outrageous taxes! Not as much as you say, regarding CAPITAL GAINS (which is what you should be taxed for your Bitcoin profits), but still ridiculously high. Sorry is all I can say about that situation.

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Denmark has one of the highest tax rates in the world, which is often mentioned as one of the biggest objections against the Danish welfare model. The average annual income in Denmark is about 39,000 euros (nearly $43,000) and as such, the average Dane pays a total amount of 45 percent in income taxes.

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Personal Income Tax Rate in Denmark averaged 60.45 percent from 1995 until 2018, reaching an all time high of 65.90 percent in 1997 and a record low of 55.40 percent in 2010.

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Denmark. Share dividends and realized capital gains on shares are charged 27% to individuals of gains up to DKK 48,300 (2013-level, adjusted annually), and at 42% of gains above that. Carryforward of realized losses on shares is allowed.

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Bitcoins are not a real currency
The National Tax Board has established that, in a taxation context, bitcoins cannot be equated with 'real' currencies such as the euro, dollars and kroner. Therefore, bitcoins are not covered by the rules in the Danish Capital Gains Tax Act.

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Tax on profits, deduction of losses
If you are among those who jumped on the bandwagon and invested in one or more bitcoins, you must report any profits as personal income. Similarly, you can deduct a loss as a deduction. In round numbers, the tax on profits is approx. 53%, while the losses are deducted by about 28%, as the deduction that can be achieved is only a tax allowance.

If you invested in bitcoins as a company, profits and losses are taxed as regular corporate income.

If you have profits or losses from the cryptocurrency, we recommend that you report the amount under comments in your tax return, until a legal practice has been announced by the Danish Customs and Tax Administration (SKAT).

If you are unsure, it is important to find out what to do with your profit or loss. Among other things, you can find out by requesting a binding answer from SKAT, which costs DKK 400. Here, you can have your legal position clarified.

Absolutely ridiculous. Now I understand why you seem to be so pissed most of the time  Roll Eyes
554  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2020, 01:37:44 AM
Da fuck! What country are you in?!?? Never saw capital gains taxed so fucking high. That percentage is ridiculous even for regular salary income FFS!

Also, if you are completely sure you are not taxed right now (which I doubt) then sell it all and rebuy so that you "upgrade" your cost price before that is considered a taxable event.
555  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2020, 01:22:46 AM

Not at all. I am very pissed atm. But I knew that had to happen. I just thought crypto was still minor enough to not warrant that kind of new rules. I guess adoption is already reaching levels where they think they need to use the "tools" at their disposal.

Governments would never let everyone go and switch to a different kind of asset they can't control in some way. Making kind of "ilegal" to have "hidden assets" (unreported to them) they secure they can control the flow (and taxable events) of those.

Also, this is what happens when a radical left wing alliance takes over the government as it has happened in Spain: The horror.

Fucking communists.

That is why we need the infrastructure in place to bypass them completely.


Working with institutions is only going to lead to more of the same.

Bypass governments? Near 100% habitable land on earth is already government controlled. At the most you can choose which one do you prefer to live under...
The one that only takes 20% of my corns at most. So not one of the western ones.

Most western countries "only" take "around" 20%. Some even less.

Tbh I am more ok with paying that tax when I do sell than with the obligation to report my "hodlings". That REALLY pisses me off. I don't want them to fucking know how much (or how little) BTC I do have! What's next? Be forced to let them "custody" it for me so that I don't have a boating accident in the future?
556  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2020, 12:46:41 AM
Just got an email from Trezor with a link to their halving blog which mostly shits on PlanBTC stock to flow model.  I've always considered the S2F strong hopium for hodlers so nothing new but nice to get level-headed approach to alternative narratives.


TLDR, S2F model shows scarcity, not demand. Price and demand historically goes up with each supply halving, how much this time, still nobody knows.

Which is why I have always said the S2F will only be valid until it isn't, and that is probably coming soon.... maybe in one year, maybe two... It is just a matter of time it reaches a price mathematically impossible to achieve. But way sooner than reaching that point it will begin to fail.

Can Bitcoin reach $100K in the next couple of years? Yes, it is a *possibility*. I don't even give it a 50/50 chance... which is a lot anyways!

Can S2F model still be valid 10 years from now? No, it simply can't.

Nice hopium though.
557  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2020, 12:35:45 AM

Not at all. I am very pissed atm. But I knew that had to happen. I just thought crypto was still minor enough to not warrant that kind of new rules. I guess adoption is already reaching levels where they think they need to use the "tools" at their disposal.

Governments would never let everyone go and switch to a different kind of asset they can't control in some way. Making kind of "ilegal" to have "hidden assets" (unreported to them) they secure they can control the flow (and taxable events) of those.

Also, this is what happens when a radical left wing alliance takes over the government as it has happened in Spain: The horror.

Fucking communists.

That is why we need the infrastructure in place to bypass them completely.


Working with institutions is only going to lead to more of the same.

Bypass governments? Near 100% habitable land on earth is already government controlled. At the most you can choose which one do you prefer to live under...
558  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2020, 12:12:15 AM

Not at all. I am very pissed atm. But I knew that had to happen. I just thought crypto was still minor enough to not warrant that kind of new rules. I guess adoption is already reaching levels where they think they need to use the "tools" at their disposal.

Governments would never let everyone go and switch to a different kind of asset they can't control in some way. Making kind of "ilegal" to have "hidden assets" (unreported to them) they secure they can control the flow (and taxable events) of those.

Also, this is what happens when a radical left wing alliance takes over the government as it has happened in Spain: The horror.

Fucking communists.
559  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2020, 11:55:19 PM
https://www.libremercado.com/2020-02-20/gobierno-criptomonedas-limite-bitcoiin-1276652560/
560  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2020, 11:50:57 PM
Damn!

The law that forces everyone to report/declare any crypto holdings have been passed (not yet effective). Soon I will have to do it or risk never been able to convert to banking fiat in the future. Also HUGE fines for anyone that doesn't do it and it is later discovered.

I always knew this had to happen eventually as that is the most effective way of control against tax fraud and money laundering but I had hope that it would take a few more years.

The country is Spain, but I don't see any reasons for other countries not doing the same eventually.
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