We haven't changed our approach.

We still announce upcoming developments, and we still don't pump.

Ha ha. You goofballs are the noise floor of Bitcointalk.


djm34: I think you failed to notice the basic fact that I'm doing the opposite of calling the Salamander "moral." Better work on your reading comprehension before replying.


btcney: you'd do well to note that *both* XC and the Blocknet undergo development in the absence of a pump. For example, from June until now XC has developed an incredible array of features, and the Blocknet has just created the first ever messaging protocol between nodes on different blockchains. Neither of these developments were pumped. No pumps, just code. Get with it sir.

What a fascinating story, and not just for its literary merits, but for its curiously revealing subtext. This is to say that the story has a highly fascinating relationship between its narrator and one of its protagonists, and that this relationship reveals the protagonist in question to be the narrator.

First off, it frames the goings-on of a bunch of pump-and-dump scammers in terms of the morality of ancient Greek mythology, in which the mighty are brought low, and in which attaining glory in battle is the highest aspiration of its protagonists. Whose morality might this be?
- Bob's? No.
- Paul's? No.
- Zimbeck's? No.
- Steve or Lin's? No.
- The Salamander's? Yes.

Second, the relation between the narrator and the Salamander is striking.
- He's the only character not called by his real name.
- The narrative is shaped by the Salamander's morality.
- The Salamander's morality appears to be a classical battle code: (1) stand and fight - like a man - or lose your honour, (2) the highest glory is glory in battle, (3) all's fair in love and war. This is the only sort of morality that bring the footsoldiers to attention, recalling them to duty and instructing them to leave off their shame.
- The narrative thus functions as a call to arms for the footsoldiers. It amounts to "stick to your code. Stand and fight your enemies. Don't be hypocrites, doxxing people and hoping someone else will confront them. The mighty must fall. And the task is ours."
- The story ends, but the narrative itself clearly doesn't: the story ends with a promise to avenge the "hypocrites" and the "doxxers" - which of course entails the continuing of the narrative beyond the story's end. In the story, Paul achieves glory while Bob and the Salamander fall. The next cycle, classically, would of course be the Salamander's vengeance, the fall of Paul, and - so our narrator hopes - the Salamander's glory.


So what is the Salamander doing?
- The morality of the narrative is the only sort of morality that the narrator can use to self-mythologise.
- Under no other framework would he appear morally defensible to himself. He needs this in order to be what he is.
- Under no other framework could the Salamander be the core protagonist.
- Under no other framework could the Salamander sound the rallying cry to bring the mighty - Paul, Lin, Zimbeck, and others - low again.


What is the Salamander?
The Salamander's coldness, his ruthlessness, his commitment to destroy his enemies - this is the ethics of an assassin.
Without painting himself in the colours of classical mythological glory, he's just brutal, vicious, cold, and self-concerned.
(No wonder, then, that the narrator is moved ultimately to tell a story about himself; the world of an assassin is centred upon himself alone.)


Will the Salamander succeed?
The Salamander lives by a code. He learned to justify the code by recourse to classical mythology.
But he has not yet learned that the bedrock of Western history, laid in the dark years following the fall of the Roman Empire, is upon the grave of the classical Greek narratives. A later and deeper narrative - upon which the great medieval code of chivalry was built - embodies bravery and honour as before, but also humility, grace, and redemption. King Arthur and his knights surpassed the ancient Greeks just as the Roman narrative surpassed that of Carthage. The great arc of innocence, fall from grace, and redemption remains the narrative of our world.

It is this code that still determines our world today. The real world will not rest, and no narrative will truly achieve completion, until different kinds of figures emerge from the ones in the Salamander's story. The mighty may rise and fall, but the real lesson of history is that there is no revolution until a self-sacrificing messiah comes. True victory only comes when one's enemies are transformed into likeness with oneself - look at what Christianity did to the Roman Empire, and look at what Nelson Mandela did to Apartheid. The only means to achieve it is to love one's enemies. The only future is redemptive. And the only heroes are self-sacrificing.

Bye rdnkjdi / IsDanDone / Unicornfarts

Sign up for Slack. News is there.

(You may have noticed that we've deprecated this thread, hence the silence here.)

Reebokass: PLEASE sell your XC.

Your chronic negativity is a ridiculous pain in the arse.

Just get over it and leave.

Uh... bottom left. Sorry.

username --> Preferences --> Notifications.

Yeah, just click on your username (bottom right left of the screen) and click "Preferences" --> "Notifications."

One of the most useful features is the ability to set highlight words, so that if anyone mentions something, you'll know about it.

For more settings, head to https://xcurrency.slack.com/account/notifications as well.

Yeah it's lamentable that the state of discourse on Bitcointalk has stooped to unsustainable levels.

On the other hand, Slack does such a good job that perhaps it's for the best that forces conspired to get us to leave Bitcointalk. It's a really great platform for communication.

We'll maintain an announcements-only thread here btw, so those who want to keep abreast of official developments can continue to do so here.

There have been numerous updates - a few per week - for the past month or so. This thread is being deprecated, and XCtalk has been effectively replaced by Slack.

Are you sure you've joined the relevant groups on Slack? - and do you get notified of new posts?

Lastly, if you own 1000XC then join the verified holders group. Chances are you'll get more in-depth news there.

You'd not pay the coins to anyone. You'd just sign a message using the private key associated with the address the coins are at.

I deleted nothing. Remember I don't moderate this thread?

Perhaps it was Theymos. You've been reported numerous times.

Unicornfarts, have you forgotten you've been banned from this thread?

Your analogy of Bitcointalk's culture being like "white blood cells attacking everything" is absurd. A forum overrun with:
- accusations flying in every direction,
- paranoia and suspicion rife,
- a culture of addressing other people abusively,
- and rampantly successful poop 'n scoop scams,

is the farthest possible thing from some sort of healthy defence against the ills of crypto.

This behaviour IS the ills of crypto.

It's NOT a defence mechanism. It's predatory, brutal, and an enormous sap on the energies of developers who'd be best employed unstressed and developing the tech they've committed to develop.


Now get out of this thread.

Sure, but development had nothing to do with why the price tanked.

We were subjected to the biggest smear campaign anyone's yet seen on Bitcointalk.

SouthernBTC, Unicornfarts is rdnkjdi.

(S)he is one of the more long-term detractors of XC, and played a major role in the smear campaign against Dan. It's most likely (s)he didn't collude with the SDC holders, but simply jumped in and exploited the opportunity.

Unicornfarts has been banned from this forum.
I suggest that we don't bother to reply, but simply keep reporting his/her comments. It's perfectly clear - both now and in the past - what his/her intention is.

The above post contains a clear error of reasoning.

Its author claims that if you use something for gain, then it would be wrong to be degrading toward that something.

But it is a perfectly correct thing to do if the thing in question is, in fact, deplorable.

For example, imagine soliciting charitable donations from the people running a concentration camp.
- Are the donations good? Yes.
- Are at least some of the people good? Yes one must allow for that.
- Is the camp a moral catastrophe? Yes.


You're correct that I have "no problem using this forum for the good that it brings [me]."
I also have no problem calling it pile of filth overrun by poop 'n scoop scammers, and no place for constructive conversation.


I call on all the good people here, and those who've supported us, to join us on Slack when Infinitechaos posts the invitation.

We'll probably keep our presence on Bitcointalk limited to an announcements-only thread, and of course whatever unofficial discussions take place.

There are two core issues with keeping this thread open:
- it occupies an inordinate amount of our time to respond to/deal with/fend off trolls, shills, scammers, etc. and this takes away from development time.
- responding to FUD just propagates it. Therefore it's better that FUD doesn't come to exist in the first place.

Itod, if one denigrates an environment, one does not thereby denigrate one's supporters.

In your eagerness to troll the Blocknet, you might've neglected to note this remark:

And yes, I do "dare" to say that Bitcointalk has become a toxic environment overrun by trolls and poop 'n scoop scammers.

So kindly piss off with your wilful amnesia. I did in fact thank our supporters. Multiple times.

Nope. What speaks for itself is the pointlessness of treating Bitcointalk as some sort of viable market for a currency.

Is it smaller than a country? Yes
Is it cannibalistic? Yes
Is it overrun with trolls and poop 'n scoop scammers? Yes

Well then why do you bother with it? We don't.

XC has always been about the real world. Actual usability; mobile services; scalability. What incentive could we possibly have to hang around here?

So by all means, continue trolling, shilling, and scamming away on Bitcointalk, but we've got better ways to spend our time.

Dear trolls, shills, fudsters, and poop 'n scoop scammers


If you think that the sorts of posts you made on this thread this afternoon/evening constitute sufficiently meaningful engagement, then you're part of the problem we're solving.

Bitcointalk is a colossal waste of everyone's time (including yours).
Also, how is it that the major forum for crypto discussion is still, despite all credulity, stuck in Web 1.0? It boggles my mind.
What a ridiculous pile of filth you've gotten used to. What a deplorable mode of engagement with others you pass off as "normal."

I can't say it's been "real," but it certainly has been a waste of energy.

Here's to striving for productive, critical discussion on Slack.