@Revelation, your post history is a stream of abuse and negativity.
You pretty much just don't post constructive, respectful things.
Kindly be civil or leave this thread.
@Revelation - I would recommend this thread if you want to speak objectively, not be censored & have the audience of the entire altcoin section rather than just those who frequent the XC thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=830893.0joebob999, it is deceitful to make out that revelation (or you, for that matter) is speaking "objectively". It is not an issue of objectivity, for two reasons: - revelation is being uncivil, not specifically untruthful. It's not a matter of objectivity but of respect for others. - people have subjective viewpoints, not objective ones. So revelation couldn't "speak objectively" if he tried. He's not God. Finally, you've behaved utterly awfully in the XC thread. Take this to heart, because it explains why Teka banned you from it. You'd be fooling yourself if you think of yourself as a righteous and "objective" protester against "censorship". Get a grip. You have deleted a single post of mine where I was commenting on your marketing and IPO strategy. I am concerned with your marketing approach and the amount effort you are putting into it. There is so little substance and so much hype atm. I am thinking of investing, however I am increasingly becoming concerned. I just want a reply to the following statement:  How on Earth are you "respecting the possibility that hype could lead to overbought conditions during the ITO and prompt a selloff that harms investors"? You are trying to squeeze as much juice from investors as you can by offering huge IPO. You are NOT respecting the possibility of a selloff, you are creating that possibility with your enormous ceiling, 24h marketing and hype (and that fairytale story of 400-900% return). By doing this you are lowering post-ITO demand as investors that support you will be fully invested when the ITO ends. Stop with the PR and marketing and bring some real development before the ITO. Sure, I'll answer because I respect your question, but the way you ask it is deeply disrespectful to the people you're addressing. Just look at the emotive, scathing way you wrote that post that got banned. My answer: The reason that we are respecting investors' positions is that the 2500 BTC is a limit, not a requirement. We could've just made the amount indefinite, but instead we limited it, because an unlimited ITO is almost certain to be followed with a selloff. So because it's a limit, we create conditions where the price is likely to rise higher after the ITO. Secondly (and more importantly), the 2500 BTC is not demanded from the market, it's just there for people to take if they want some. If the market doesn't want all the funds, we'll provably destroy the rest. Do you see that this means that the market is free to work out the value of Blocknet tokens, and is not forced or coerced in any way by the limit? |
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Let me FTFY It's the position you take up against the community those who try to sell new ideas & without finished & proving existing projects. You don't come alongside them, you talk at them. aren't nice to rainmakers trying to pad their own pockets with press releases and trendy buzzword rather than provable (opensource) substance. Your situation is not helped by returning to your views on certain matters instead of discussing the point I made. The issue is the position you take up against the community. You don't come alongside them, you talk at them. If this is intentional, then you're at war. And we're not interested in having a squabble, so you get booted out. |
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I read much marketing meaningless babble (like "the internet of blockchains"), but not much subtance or technical details...
could you please explain for one use case, from the beginning to the end, how would this work?
e.g. let's say I want to send money using SMS, a feature from XST, while I hold some other thing, let's say APEX. Coins would be automagically exchanged? how? what currency does the service provider receive? can the receiver of the SMS receive other currency than XST? how?
the xbridge api would have a method for each possible service? so it would have to be updated every time a new service is added... otherwise... how would it work?
Is the coding of the exchange and the xbridge api finished? When would this be deployed? right after the ITO?
thanks!
Hey hey Have you checked out the FAQ below the OP? The XBridge is a protocol. There's only one XBridge. The API supports a general-purpose application platform. Ultimately there aren't that many fundamental actions to code for. Their composites would specify a very wide range of potential applications. That said, no doubt the API will go through revisions from time to time, and more or less indefinitely, as technology advances. Part of the XBridge code is done. But only part. The exchange is not done (though in reality I suspect there'll be multiple decentralised exchanges all competing to offer their services). As for your SMS example, it would depend to a large extent on however XST code it, but here's a sketch: Let's say you owe APEX. And you want to SMS some APEX over to someone. Your node would pay an XST node for the service, using APEX. The APEX would be automatically exchanged for XST. The XST node receive the XST and keep it as profit. The XST node would pay the Blocknet microfee. The XST node would take phone number you're sending the amount to. It would send the amount in XST (because the SMS system is built on the XST blockchain). The recipient node would receive the XST. The recipient node would then convert the XST to APEX using the decentralised exchange. The resulting APEX would then be sent to the recipient's APEX node. If you're wondering how decentralised exchange works, this speculative post could turn into an interesting discussion. |
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A very clear vision of the Blocknet's market positioning in terms of the Nash Equilibrium, from the XC thread: Let me explain it in "human" terms, imagine that you have a city. In that city there are several shops. Some are shady, some have a good renommé. One of the shops with a good renommé decides that it is gonna build a mall. The shop invites other shops with a good renommé to join him in this shopping mall, but only shops that he can vouch for.
To fund the building of this shopping mall he creates shares. The shares are entitled to rent, in this case the shops decides that rent should be a small % of revenue.
You might have heard this in your local paper, but do you know what happens to the other shops in a city where there is build a mall? They DIE. People will go where they have options, that is the primus motor of capitalism OPTIONS/Choice.
So will the BlockNET benefit XC? BlockNET will enable the average consumer that is new to bitcoin to flirt with altcoin services all in one safe place. (like an android market or iStore).
Will BlockNET take away from XC development time? It has been stated that Xbridge is build on XC-tech, in that case most of the developement is already done.
Will BlockNET be a good investment? That depends on if someone will buy at a higher price that you did, like with everything else. But it also depends on how much "rent" it can cash in.
Will XC benefit from BlockNET? Yes! where is the money?! in the app-stores or in the non-legit apps for your phone? Ever wondered why restaurants and barber shops are so close to each other? Hotellings law(Nash equilibrium) is part of that why, but also because they benefit each other by making the customers first choice easy, where should i go shop? after that the question is, what am I in the mood for.
It is not the Product that is being sold, it is the problem that is being provided a solution to, it is all about enhancing the customer experience.
/end rant
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From the linked article. Blocknet includes multiple developers, but ultimately Dan is the mastermind behind his platform. This is another way of saying "Dans primary focus will be on BlockNET" How can you say "Blocknet is a genius idea worth 2500 bitcoins. And will take a genius to build. And that genius is Dan. But it won't slow down XC (Dan's current primary project) at all?" Honestly, how can you still not understand the simplicity in BlockNET from a technical viewpoint? It is a one time development of an API that can connect the coins, with very little maintenance afterwards. Let me explain it in "human" terms, imagine that you have a city. In that city there are several shops. Some are shady, some have a good renommé. One of the shops with a good renommé decides that it is gonna build a mall. The shop invites other shops with a good renommé to join him in this shopping mall, but only shops that he can vouch for. To fund the building of this shopping mall he creates shares. The shares are entitled to rent, in this case the shops decides that rent should be a small % of revenue. You might have heard this in your local paper, but do you know what happens to the other shops in a city where there is build a mall? They DIE. People will go where they have options, that is the primus motor of capitalism OPTIONS/Choice. So will the BlockNET benefit XC? BlockNET will enable the average consumer that is new to bitcoin to flirt with altcoin services all in one safe place. (like an android market or iStore). Will BlockNET take away from XC development time? It has been stated that Xbridge is build on XC-tech, in that case most of the developement is already done. Will BlockNET be a good investment? That depends on if someone will buy at a higher price that you did, like with everything else. But it also depends on how much "rent" it can cash in. Will XC benefit from BlockNET? Yes! where is the money?! in the app-stores or in the non-legit apps for your phone? Ever wondered why restaurants and barber shops are so close to each other? Hotellings law(Nash equilibrium) is part of that why, but also because they benefit each other by making the customers first choice easy, where should i go shop? after that the question is, what am I in the mood for. It is not the Product that is being sold, it is the problem that is being provided a solution to, it is all about enhancing the customer experience. /end rant Excellent analysis there. The Blocknet is going to be ridiculously huge. |
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What does proof of developer mean? Does that just mean that it is proven that the developer is who he says he is? Yes. It signifies that he's gone public with his identity and has therefore staked his reputation on the ethical management of funds for the project. |
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Since HAL has imploded you may want to scratch that from your list of marketing tools. Just my 2 XC. I don't know... I think it's ok. Dan did a code review, not a general long-term feasibility review. |
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joebob999, it is deceitful to make out that revelation (or you, for that matter) is speaking "objectively".
It is not an issue of objectivity, for two reasons:
- revelation is being uncivil, not specifically untruthful. It's not a matter of objectivity but of respect for others.
- people have subjective viewpoints, not objective ones. So revelation couldn't "speak objectively" if he tried. He's not God.
Finally, you've behaved utterly awfully in the XC thread. Take this to heart, because it explains why Teka banned you from it.
You'd be fooling yourself if you think of yourself as a righteous and "objective" protester against "censorship". Get a grip.
I was speaking specifically to where the (more) objective audience (those who are willing to tolerate open free speech about a subject) can be found. Bringing God into the subject as the only one who can be objective, and bringing manners in to try and defend censoring speech is cute. You are good at re-directing speech into a philosophical debate to take focus off the issue at hand. So kudos to you smartie pants. No doubt you have a collection of Fedoras, roast your own coffee beans, buy organic & like raw tea so kudos to you. I'm more of a cigar, whiskey & bottom line type of guy. Funny you should suggest all that. I'm a trilby guy rather than a fedora, I buy single origin coffee beans (already roasted, alas!), and forego organic/raw/whatever for Islay single malts. Bit of a mixture then. As for re-directing speech to take focus off the issue at hand, the issue at hand is respect for others and constructive discourse. I'm sure you'd agree that constructive discourse requires being critical. There's no point without critical thought and constructive criticism. But that's not what I've been getting from either Revelation or you on the XC thread. I can't say your intentions are bad, since I'm not privy to them, but I can say that in contrast to Revelation you're quite capable of critical thought, but you have these a priori opinions - highly negative towards XC - that you import into a discussion and aren't up for negotiation. To do this is to not respect one of the requirements for constructive discourse: speaking in a manner that bears constructively upon the perspective of the other people involved. And to do this, you need to respect others - or more specifically, to be empathetic. This is the issue at hand. It's the position you take up against the community. You don't come alongside them, you talk at them. |
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Of all these coins who do you think is the best to invest and why?
SX, Sonic, Fibre, Next Horizon, bitswitch,apex, utilitycoin, librex, stealthcoin?
"SSD – First steganograpic anon transaction over mobile. This means that you can embed a transfer of SSD into an image that you take from your mobile and not have it traced – the image doesn’t suggest that a transaction has occurred. That is pretty freaking stout in my opinion. Development ongoing. XST – World’s First anonymous SMS transaction. Again, a mobile transaction that is anonymous. Development ongoing (this is a theme with everyone here so I won't repeat it). APEX – In wallet developments – everything from social networking to casinos. Aggressive dev team with an eye towards enabling web merchant transactions within their wallet. UTIL – Content filtering to protect exit nodes from malicious and illegal content. A great business feature. SWIFT – geoSwift, a way to GPS locate and connect sellers/buyers via mobile. LXC – Working on BlueTooth transactions…meaning mobile transactions without internet connection. Sidechain research and implementation planned. FIBRE – An Aggressive dev team that has already created their own OS and have integrated FibreLock (an android style password system that renders keyloggers obsolete) into a BTC Modded wallet in addition to their own. NHZ – Asset Exchange and further expansion of NXT code." what they each bring to the table, it's upto you to decide which you would invest in Thanks for the very well documented information, I have only invested in XC, Librex and Bitswitch....well not anynmore in XC as I am unable to withdraw them from mintpal...Any one has the same problem with XC in mintpal and what can I do to get them back? Ask this on the XC thread. Some people figured out how to do it. :-) |
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@Revelation, your post history is a stream of abuse and negativity.
You pretty much just don't post constructive, respectful things.
Kindly be civil or leave this thread.
@Revelation - I would recommend this thread if you want to speak objectively, not be censored & have the audience of the entire altcoin section rather than just those who frequent the XC thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=830893.0joebob999, it is deceitful to make out that revelation (or you, for that matter) is speaking "objectively". It is not an issue of objectivity, for two reasons: - revelation is being uncivil, not specifically untruthful. It's not a matter of objectivity but of respect for others. - people have subjective viewpoints, not objective ones. So revelation couldn't "speak objectively" if he tried. He's not God. Finally, you've behaved utterly awfully in the XC thread. Take this to heart, because it explains why Teka banned you from it. You'd be fooling yourself if you think of yourself as a righteous and "objective" protester against "censorship". Get a grip. |
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@Revelation, your post history is a stream of abuse and negativity.
You pretty much just don't post constructive, respectful things.
Kindly be civil or leave this thread.
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This:
Since DHT alone doesn't meet the requires of XBRIDGE, we won't be cloning anything. Xbridge will be a new P2P protocol - merging XNode, DHT and telehash.
First you said Telehash v.3 will be used, but when I've pointed that telehash is designed for small number of trusted nodes you changed your mind. Better make up your mind and update the OP. Horrible marketing. Rubbish. I quoted a statement Dan made before your post. Additionally I mentioned DHT before, which you neglected to notice. |
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This:
Since DHT alone doesn't meet the requires of XBRIDGE, we won't be cloning anything. Xbridge will be a new P2P protocol - merging XNode, DHT and telehash.
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Synechist.......I don't know how in the hell you are keeping up with all this man! I struggled to stay updated on the XC thread alone, now these multiple threads.....I just can't keep up with reading them:-)
+1. Yeoman's work Minimal sleep. Personal neglect. Alas. |
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Thanks. Interesting perspective. Miners aren't necessary in a PoS blockchain. As for the matter of having to keep track of every single blockchain, that's not really true. - the issue is that you'd need a way to tell that the other party has paid you, and vice versa - since you're not on the other chain, you can't tell whether the other party has paid. - so a decentralised exchange service could, say, set up an atomic group_sig (m-of-m) transaction between buyer and seller, and the two payments would happen as one indivisible contract. - the chain that the exchange is built on would record this (this chain need not even be the chain of one of the coins in the tx) - and your wallet would track this chain. Done (hypothetically. I'm just riffing here; haven't heard from the devs yet). |
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Are there any specific plans or goals for software release(s) before the 29th that will inspire investor and user confidence? It seems like we may of moved from XChat development on traditional systems to mobile development? I realize you are very busy with the upcoming release of BlockNet infrastructure. Thanks.
A stable release of XChat across all platforms. |
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Hi guys, I just wanted to post something about blocknet. I don't want to troll their thread, so I thought I'd post it here. Here is their claim: There are at least three fundamental differences between the Blocknet and Supernet:
- XBridge is not an RPC call protocol, it's a true P2P protocol
- There's no central or core currency, unlike SuperNET, which uses BTCD for this
- Joining the Blocknet does not involve 10% of a coin's money supply being bought and centrally controlled
1. SuperNET calls are made via rpc to the coin daemon, yet the network uses a kademlia dht, like bittorrent. Plus, is he saying that bitcoin is not 'true p2p' because it uses rpc calls? Does he think SuperNET has a point of centralization somewhere? 2. BitcoinDark is not 'the' central currency to SuperNET. Does he not realize that SuperNET runs on top of the NXT blockchain? BitcoinDark is the first coin with SuperNET integrated and has teleport, yes. Is he saying that individual coins cannot be integral parts of the network by offering their respective unique techs? 3. SuperNET purchased these coins on the open market, necessarily raising the NAV of the SuperNET asset. Are the blocknet guys ignorant of the facts, or are they being intentionally misleading? Hi folks Just to say thanks for this post. It's insightful and we'll use it to reword our statements about SuperNET in comparison to the Blocknet. Also, my apologies for how things were worded in the Blocknet OP. It was my writing and I see that I glossed over some details worth bringing out. Finally, I have a lot of respect for the SuperNET. It's a fascinating idea, and although we're taking a different route (telehash v.3; mesh rather than DHT, etc.), that doesn't mean the SuperNET is a cheap trick. Personally I'd love it if Supernet wallets contain the XBridge someday... Good night Synechist |
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