I might have missed it in the past 19 pages so just in case.
Just shut up and take my money
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Avalon didn't give me a free unit and I am still pissed about it.
Shouldn't you be in the BFL thread shilling the 600GH/s PCI card? Shouldn't you be street walking as a gay prostitute? Are you trying to say that you are in this thread looking for a gay prostitute? Did Josh dump you or something? |
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Avalon didn't give me a free unit and I am still pissed about it.
Shouldn't you be in the BFL thread shilling the 600GH/s PCI card? |
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Presumably, they started development on this 6 months ago.
Why would you presume that? BFL has no internal ASIC or FPGA design experience. Everything is outsourced. This is the resume for their "CTO/CEO" who supposedly resides in France. Note the total lack of relevant experience. This will be the 2nd round of asics being produced. They have to be getting better at this game by now with more industry contacts and suppliers.
Actually, it will probably be the five-hundredth round for the design house that BFL outsources their chip design to. That didn't help them the first time, it probably won't help them this time either. Now they have 1 product line instead of 4 greatly simplifying the production.
Yes. They are going after the higher end guys who are willing to make a business out of this.
Actually, PCI goes after the lower end market. You want blades with a simple rackmountable backplane that can handle 10 or so blades. Not something designed to sit in $500 of 4U overhead with tons of wasted space inside and a shitty cooling profile. Its got to be annoying to sit and listen to some guy who ordered a 5gh miner for $300 bitching about when his shit is going to be there screaming SCAMMERS all day.
They could ship product instead of sitting around reading the forums. Solves 2 problems at once! I'll admit this came sooner then what I would have expected.
You now have 3 choices. 1) Double Down 2) Go long, 3) Cry Moar. 90% of the people in the forum have chosen option 3.
Anyone who is serious will choose option 1. I doubt many will choose option 2.
Serious brain damage perhaps. |
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You sir, are a shining light to humanity.  |
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If you read carefully, it's noted that 0.77W/GH would be ceiling due to node jump, not taking any optimization or correction into consideration. The actual numbers are lower, and the ~0.6W/GH was number we decided that was closest to reality + error margin.
Regards,
Nasser
How do you have actual numbers for something that will not exist for months? Its just a thought experiment. Please try to use BFL-speak, you have pre-orders on the line. These actual numbers come from a guy with the skill set of "account management", "sales management", "product management", "solution selling", "new business development", "windows", "product marketing", "Microsoft excel", 2 years of writing Visual Basic and a degree in Telecommunications Engineering from the Islamic Azad University in Tehran. You might need this to interpret them correctly:  Anyone want to start a pool on the day he starts calling everyone douchebags and trolls? |
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From the BFL website:  Plus Due to double node jump, the max power should be 0.77W/GH (3.1W/GH divided by 4). Based on everything we know from any chip industry (FPGA, CPU, GPU, etc), that should be the ceiling in power-consumption.
Regards,
Nasser
Picture says 600 GH/s @ 350W. BFL "engineer" (who's area of expertise is Visual Basic and .NET) says 0.77W per GH/s Unfortunately, multiplication says 600 GH/s * 0.77W per GH/s = 462W Based on everything we know about multiplication (FPGA, CPU, GPU. etc) that should mean you are just as good at guessing TDP in August of 2013 as you were in August of 2012. If you read carefully, it's noted that 0.77W/GH would be ceiling due to node jump, not taking any optimization or correction into consideration. The actual numbers are lower, and the ~0.6W/GH was number we decided that was closest to reality + error margin. Regards, Nasser Decided by whom? |
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From the BFL website: Plus Due to double node jump, the max power should be 0.77W/GH (3.1W/GH divided by 4). Based on everything we know from any chip industry (FPGA, CPU, GPU, etc), that should be the ceiling in power-consumption.
Regards,
Nasser
Picture says 600 GH/s @ 350W. BFL "engineer" (who's area of expertise is Visual Basic and .NET) says 0.77W per GH/s Unfortunately, multiplication says 600 GH/s * 0.77W per GH/s = 462W Based on everything we know about multiplication (FPGA, CPU, GPU. etc) that should mean you are just as good at guessing TDP in August of 2013 as you were in August of 2012. |
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It occurred to me that BFL needs to account for all the money spent on hookers, beer, boats, and blowjobs, and salaries.
In comes 28nm non-recoverable engineering costs.
"Your honor, we have to declare bankruptcy because we spent all the money on 28nm!"
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LMAO, as predicted. They are Stal'in their customers for more time. They are so fucked it is not even funny.
Perfect! Hitler says "The customers are so fucked it is not even funny. They just keep buying every delay and lame ass excuse. And BFL just keeps Stalin!" Where are Kano and Slok to pimp this stuff? 600GH/s on a PCIe card! |
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Keep the room at 72F for all you want. The room being 72F doesn't mean the GPU will be cooled properly. It is a simple experiment. Try it. Why do you think open rigs became the "standard". You think people just like having extenders and cables everywhere? You think it never occurred to anyone to just close the case with 3, 4, 6 GPU inside?
22°C ? You mad bro O_o' 17-18°c (63F-64F) is the standard.no more. That is interesting. His standard for card temperature is lower than the ambient air temperature which cools his cards. Clearly, we can harness his forum account for faster than light travel because his account is not subject to the laws of physics. |
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For the record though KNC decision to use a case which requires the PSU to be outside is equally stupid.
I think that might have more to do with regulations in the EU about selling stuff that plugs into a wall socket than it is about the proper management of heat inside the case. |
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Meh, upgraded a late-ordered single to this, will be interesting to see how it pans out.....
You will get years of entertainment out of this purchase. Caveat: it may be our entertainment |
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blah blah blah power consumption
Regards,
Nasser
I don't know about you guys, but I believe him. He has to be right about something eventually. |
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I want to know the value of an Avalon miner. I used this calculator with presets for a 3 module miner.An additional step should be to discount each future week to the present value using some interest rate. I have not done that step. This gives me a value of about 70 BTC for an Avalon. I am sure that many people would use different numbers for this. For the power, I used 650 W * 80 GH / 65 GH --> 800 W, as it is overclocked. I'd like to hear what other's think. The best way to do it would be to make a probability grid on top of various projections for rises in difficulty. That should allow you to graph a surface for the value of your Avalon under most circumstances. |
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ROFL so when everyone transfers their order they will magically catch up on all pre-order shipping by september. Also notice no more credit card option.
BFL never had a chance to get a merchant account with a CC company. PayPal has learned their lesson. To play devils advocate for just a moment: If BFL just does a reference board + firmware and only resells the chips they pay their contractors to design and the fab to produce, then this product might not be the epic trainwrecks of their previous products. |
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Here's another sign, from the bfl forum: "They are only allowing payment with BTC or Wire x-fer. That is a non starter for me."
I guess BFL was told to stop using PayPal to snare new investors! |
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After $8 million went to Avalon in 800K of chip sales and only 4000 heavily discounted chips ($200K) were bought from BFL, they had to do something.
After KNCMiner sold out and pre-orders for BFL equipment dried up, they had to do something.
End of 2013 means the long con can continue into the summer of next year!
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