You left out the most important component: the Jalapeno is 6 months late. You could have mined 50 BTC in that time with 5GH/s.
Have you not heard the expression "better late than never" Yep. It is indeed better than never. A friend of mine bought a one bedroom apartment as an investment "off the plan" ie. when it was still a vacant block. He forked out hundreds of thousands of dollars sight unseen, the builders used the money to build the apparent block as expected,projected timelines were missed, it took years, but eventually it was completed, so he was happy. He could have argued that he missed out on rent for all that period it was being built. This is a pretty normal situation when you pre-order something that hasn't been built yet.
If he was going to rent out the apartment, then he did indeed miss out quite a lot of money. Years of revenue lost. I hope your friend doesn't get ripped off like that again. |
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EDIT:
I don't know if this "Codinginmysleep" guy did place one of the very first pre-orders nearly a year ago, but shipping usually starts with the orders being filled in the same order they were originally placed. Thus I'm not yet changing my signature about BFL's shipping problems.
Your sig is not "about BFL's shipping problems". It says outright that it's a scam and that no ASICs have been shipped, and yet at least one ASIC has been shipped. As expected, you and the other anti-BFL are shifting the goalposts to make sure BFL is still in the wrong. Nodoby in this thread has to move the goalposts. BFL already missed 12 field goals. There are 490,000 Avalon fans rushing the field.  I am sure they have things in hand.  |
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But but but it's meant to be a scam! How can they ship!? The ASICs aren't real !!!
So those are 4.5 GH/s USB powered Jalapenos that people ordered, or are they baited and switched to some other inferior product? Haha I knew something like this was coming. I mentioned the goalpost shifting in another thread. "It's a scam because there's no ASICs" has become "It's a scam because they missed their power targets". The thing is that the original 4.5GHs unit has become 5GHs (5.3GHS actually) and nobody gives a rats (except the critics) that it pulls 30watts. Some people care that the case is bigger, I like the cube shape myself, reminds me of the Borg. You left out the most important component: the Jalapeno is 6 months late. You could have mined 50 BTC in that time with 5GH/s. |
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@minternj
I will host a 665.99GH/s ASIC for you, please send 740BTC to me and I will start hashing for you in 2 weeks.
Uh get the proportions right. We were talking specifically about lukes little single right? How much did a little single cost. $649for 30GH. ~21$ for 1G . 740BTC * $120 = $88,800 /$21 = 4,228 GH. OK ill send you 740 BTC for 4TH of hashing. You pay the electric and host it. you still trying to imply bfl is a scam or something because im missing your point entirely. Ok, send me 740BTC. I will give you 4TH of mining starting in 2 weeks. |
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Does it really matter where it is? He is receiving the BTC. im sure thats all the 99% in here care about, getting the coins.
Let us suppose that you ordered a PC from Dell. Then instead of shipping this PC to you, they said that you could instead log into a server located somewhere in the cloud, would you feel cheated? If your answer is yes, then the location does matter. I would sympathize with you because you ordered a physical good and instead received an EC2 server. If Dell were to stop paying the rent on that EC2 server, you would end up with nothing at all. If your answer is no, then I have an ASIC to sell you. What a silly analogy, the only shipping units from BFL are the 5GHs to developers and reviewers. To be able to mine on a 28GHs remote box I would consider a bonus, it's not like it's your power bill. @erk In addition to it not being your power bill, It is also not your unit (yet). You might consider it a bonus, but you would not consider it a "BFL unit shipped to you". Some people here are saying that BFL keeping your unit and mining it for you (like ASICMINER) is exactly the same as BFL shipping a unit to you and then you doing as you like with it (mining with it, reselling it, fapping to it, etc). I am saying the two things are very different. Promising the one and delivering the other should not be considered "good business practice". @minternj I will host a 665.99GH/s ASIC for you, please send 740BTC to me and I will start hashing for you in 2 weeks. |
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Does it really matter where it is? He is receiving the BTC. im sure thats all the 99% in here care about, getting the coins.
Let us suppose that you ordered a PC from Dell. Then instead of shipping this PC to you, they said that you could instead log into a server located somewhere in the cloud, would you feel cheated? If your answer is yes, then the location does matter. I would sympathize with you because you ordered a physical good and instead received an EC2 server. If Dell were to stop paying the rent on that EC2 server, you would end up with nothing at all. If your answer is no, then I have an ASIC to sell you. |
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Avalon is shipping batch 2.
In real business. inventory is sized according to predicted interest in the market. I am sure Avalon presumed that BFL would also be shipping product by now, so they thought they would be sharing the ASIC market. Had they known the actual state of BFL's engineering, I am sure they could have reacted appropriately and captured that market share by increasing the size of their first batch.
Lying about their progress was certainly in BFL's interest, and they are not the only company to spread FUD in a market place to discourage entry by other parties.
I don't agree with your assessment, simply because Avalon would not be getting orders for 490,000 ASIC's if people didn't have demand for their products. If they announced batch#4 I bet it would sell out fast. Perhaps I communicated it badly. I was trying to express the point that Avalon could have anticipated this demand earlier if they had a better understanding of the true state of things in the ASIC market. Thus that 490,000 chip order might possibly have taken place in February or March instead of late April. |
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Does that mean you still have not taken physical possession of your first ASIC? |
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The only thing Josh demonstrates here is that BFL sees the customer as a piece of shit. A customer has to pay money and shut up. For me the Single SC was my first and my last deal with BFL. Well, at the moment there is no deal - I paid money to BFL to watch Avalon and ASICMINER shipping ASIC miners to their customers.
Some asshats are bashing BFL for months. Josh gave them what they deserved. I never had problems with customer support at BFL. They came back to me within 10 minutes all the time. What if you pre-ordered a MiniRig? Don't you think they could of been a bit more truthful with their expectations and let someone who ponied up $30k in on the DOA status of it? If they took a few humble pills there would be much less attacks on them That and if there wasn't so much BFL PR spam, Avalon might have done larger batche sizes and then everyone could have ASICs by now.  More than 3 months later, Avalon have shipped how many? 300? (probably less - there were still people asking for their Batch #1 orders not long ago) Reality please ... Avalon is shipping batch 2. In real business. inventory is sized according to predicted interest in the market. I am sure Avalon presumed that BFL would also be shipping product by now, so they thought they would be sharing the ASIC market. Had they known the actual state of BFL's engineering, I am sure they could have reacted appropriately and captured that market share by increasing the size of their first batch. Lying about their progress was certainly in BFL's interest, and they are not the only company to spread FUD in a market place to discourage entry by other parties. |
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The only thing Josh demonstrates here is that BFL sees the customer as a piece of shit. A customer has to pay money and shut up. For me the Single SC was my first and my last deal with BFL. Well, at the moment there is no deal - I paid money to BFL to watch Avalon and ASICMINER shipping ASIC miners to their customers.
Some asshats are bashing BFL for months. Josh gave them what they deserved. I never had problems with customer support at BFL. They came back to me within 10 minutes all the time. What if you pre-ordered a MiniRig? Don't you think they could of been a bit more truthful with their expectations and let someone who ponied up $30k in on the DOA status of it? If they took a few humble pills there would be much less attacks on them That and if there wasn't so much BFL PR spam, Avalon might have done larger batche sizes and then everyone could have ASICs by now. |
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So, the guy whose BFL unit you "shipped" 3 weeks ago hasn't been running it since then? That was kind of him, leaving all those coins for the rest of us....
FTFY. |
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Given a perfect track record of promises kept, I would fully trust any warranty BFL offered on their product.
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A lie would be saying "We shipped in October" in November when they haven't shipped in October. If they say "We intend to ship in October" but something happens and they can't, that statement doesn't retroactively become a lie. A statement is true or false at the time that it is made; to knowingly make a false statement is to lie, by definition. Anything else is not a lie.
There are lots of different kinds of lies. Putting forth ship dates that have no chance to be met, is a "misleading" lie. Being in "final stages of development" for 7 months is a "puffery" lie. Promising "1 watt consumed per gigahash" when they haven't even built a prototype is a "fabrication" lie. There were also cut and dry claims such as the processing of certification with FCC or UL were nearly complete when the prototype did not yet exist and no record of certification application exists (public records are a bitch) |
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Alcohol really brings out the troll in me, jeeeaz lol ^^^^^^
Sorry, I couldn't help myself!
Is that Waldo or BFL clown Josh they are very similiar but at least Waldo kept his mouth shut and didnt call customers scumbag, trailer trash, peices of shit. I only do that when the person is a scumbag, trailer trash or piece of shit. Take Frizz for example... the ultimate piece of shit, but yet maintains an order with BFL. Vote with your dollars! If you don't like BFL, cancel your order! But the biggest loudmouths are the ones who bitch and moan, lie and cheat and then complain when they aren't treated like royalty. We don't want customers like that, how hard is that to understand? We want customers who are profitable, sane and able to make rational statements, not the crazy kind like Frankie and Frizz. I mean shit, at least PuertoTrolltard has enough self respect and common sense to NOT have an order with BFL and then goes about lying and trolling. I gotta give him some credit for that, at least. /points at the 490,000 Avalon chips ordered. Your customers are going to be so happy they didn't have their BFLs for the last 7 months (and probably the next 2). 5GH/s isn't going to seem so special when 300THash/s comes online. They will probably make their money back at least. Grats on finally shipping something. |
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At least BFL investors now have some options.
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Glad I didnt buy into the BFL BS
Even if they produce a great product I have a hard time supporting a company who's overall customer service is representative of how this douche bag talks.
Imagine if the product is unstable and dies 3 weeks out of the gate. Would you want to be dealing with BFL through warranty issues? I can see that phone call to the BFL support line going something like this: Customer: "Hello, I need to RMA my BFL ASIC unit. It stopped working yesterday and I can't get it to turn on." BFL: "Liar! Liar! Liar! Liar! Liar! *click*" Customer: "Hello?" |
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I didn't make the clown cut.  |
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So it's real consumption for the ASIC is probably closer to 28watts. So the BitForce 25 GH/s SC will probably come closer to 145watts rather than your 216watt claim.
And the Single SC, which was advertised with 60GH/s, has now what? 50GH/s? 40GH/s? 0GH/s? It is still advertised with 50GH/s, so let's take 50. According to your calculation the 25GH/s unit needs 145 Watt. So the 50GH/s needs 290 Watt. Both units have the same casing. So this tiny heatsink dissipates 290 Watt of heat? LOL. Just give up and stop your trolling, you and I have no idea what power consumption or case size the 25GHs and 50GHs units will come in, all we know so far is about the 5GHs unit, the rest is pointless speculation, silly pictures, and bad math. How is it trolling to take the product page at butterflylabs and deriving the power needs of the product line from the latest claims put forth by BFL? That just seems like math. Of course, this math is only of interest to nitwits who invested in BFL (since their debt notes are convertible into things called SCs or Singles or Jalapenos.) |
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mmmm, paste.  |
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