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4101  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 29, 2018, 12:04:32 AM
Where have all the big blockers gone?

Since there are no walls to watch, and price discussion gets boring during sideways skating, let's talk about an issue that I'm afraid will resurface in due time: blockchain spam.

At the moment, the situation is peaceful. Spam has vanished, and tx fees are back to sane levels. There have been several explanations offered for the end of spam, most of which are plausible or have some merit. It might be that it was too costly to sustain the attack. It might be that someone is moving shop. It might be the attackers became afraid to push LN towards success. It might be that Coinbase withdrew support by fixing their unforgivable withdrawal arrangement (either intentionally or simply as a consequence of other choices).

The point is: most of the people on this forum believe they know who the attackers were and why they did it. For the time being, they are defeated. They might or might not have another try at it. I am concerned with a future when some more powerful opponent delivers a spam attack - backed by the full financial power of a small (or large) nation. That could be an expensive way to shut up the bitcoin network, but it can be fairly successful, especially If you can eat up the loss and hide it inside a large budget by slightly cooking the books.

I think we need someoneto come up with a partial solution to the spam problem. My guess is: if such a remedy is ever found (which I'm totally not confident about), it will be a game theory person to deliver it.
4102  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2018, 11:07:31 PM
Ethereum keeps creeping up and taking over market share. Will ethereun slowly take over bitcoin? Kinda seems like its possible
Just wait till they want to use it for real transactions  Wink

Demand for Cryptokitties is strong bro  Tongue
I hear cryptotitties will overtake it tho? https://www.producthunt.com/upcoming/cryptotitties
Don't talk titties to me, man. One thing I sorely miss from the everyday ATH season!

On second thought, it's actually a pair of things.
4103  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2018, 10:32:33 PM
Ethereum keeps creeping up and taking over market share. Will ethereun slowly take over bitcoin? Kinda seems like its possible
Just wait till they want to use it for real transactions  Wink
4104  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2018, 07:28:18 PM
Sorry for that stupidish question. I invested 2013 in Bitcoin and holding since then. My Coins are on a paper wallet and I don't have much to do with cryptos since then. Everybody is talking about tether these days. I have no idea what that is again. Do I have to do anything with my bitcoins before this tether thing crashes? Or simply hold another few years?
It isn't stupid to ask IMO.
Very briefly:
Tether, as per the FAQ pointed above, is a substitute for USD pegged 1:1.
It's being used to add fiat-like liquidity.
There are worries of over-creation of tether (fractional reserve), along with more complex hypotheses.
If it is a fake, and it pops, there will be some blood and unpleasant consequences on BTC price.
However, bitcoin has lived through worse events (Gox, for example). If one believes in the long-term future of bitcoin, tether shouldn't be able to sway their course of action for the long run.

TL;DR: Just hodl.
4105  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2018, 05:06:55 PM
What worries me about tether the most is not that it may not be fully covered by real dollars, but that it might be dangerously close to what central banks are doing. ANd we all know, that banks are not too happy when someone else is taking their money printing/fractional reserve monopoly away from them. Especially when they cannot control it.

My conspiracy tinfoil hat tells me that Tether was sort of endorsed by the CB establishment. They need Bitcoin and the whole crypto market to have a weakness, an Achilles heel, when the next financial crisis comes. Otherwise they know that Bitcoin will go to the moon and they won't have a way to crash and short it.

Tether could be like their Trojan Horse.  Cheesy
Double and triple crosses. You're just way above in Higher Conspiracy Studies, man.
4106  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2018, 05:00:17 PM
What worries me about tether the most is not that it may not be fully covered by real dollars, but that it might be dangerously close to what central banks are doing. ANd we all know, that banks are not too happy when someone else is taking their money printing/fractional reserve monopoly away from them. Especially when they cannot control it.
That's why I've been wishing the audit to produce an "all clean" report.

If there's no fractional reserve going on, and tether is really backed up 1:1 by real USD, this means no actual printing privilege has been taken away from the central banks. In turn, this should imply the central banks can't take legitimate action against tether creation and, more importantly, have no need or little motivation to do so.

However, my whole point is moot. Apparently, the audit's been canned and it's likely there is overprinting (fractional reserve) going on, so the games are still quite open.
4107  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2018, 02:07:58 PM
Having said that, I think one of the best applications of lightning-type channels would be the ability to instantly remove funds which aren't actively traded,
This could be an effective motive for the exchanges not to adopt LN.

Quote
edit for something irrelevant: I did a <20sat/byte tx earlier in the day to consolidate some funds, it cleared within a couple of hours... don't even remember when I went *that* low...
Yet a number of exchanges or other online accounts still have a default fee of 0.0008 BTC for a standard 1in+2out tx, and users are not allowed to set it to a different value  Angry

I think the two points made by AlexGR show how we'll really have to lobby the exchanges into servicing user needs. Much more competition is what we need.
4108  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2018, 06:26:21 AM
The first cheering half-tit of a calf run?
The lady knows how to handle flow.
Merited as a micro push.
But you invite me to your next party okay?  Grin
4109  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2018, 05:19:22 AM
I read just now, that the 'lightning network' for BTC is now LIVE...

here is the link

https://www.finder.com.au/bitcoin-price-weekly-analysis-2018-01-28


seems sketchy as the only article I can find...do they mean just live on 'mainnet' to test

or is it really ready for prime time?
Hehe how do you figure? Channels still limited to 0.042 btc. However, it's a happy coincidence with the low transaction fees on the main chain making new channel creation fairly cheap.

Hm... one moment. Happy coincidence? There are no coincidences! (Looking warily over shoulder)
... and most aren't happy anyway. Wish a real conspiracy expert would chime in now.
4110  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2018, 04:54:06 AM
Whenever I hear a bunch of exuberant comments about trains etc I know a brutal bulltrap is coming
Tera Beara, we don't give a ratt's ass.   Tongue

(Nothing personal. I couldn't resist.)
4111  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2018, 04:48:42 AM
Just had my order @ $11.5k fully filled.

Was really starting to stress out there for a bit. Takes some pressure off.

Think I'll make my next move towards the end of Feb.


Well done. A few tens more or less... will it change your life? Don't think so.

I think your to-do list could possibly contain "learning to live it up" practice sessions?

I started thinking about retiring/changing pace drastically already, and you know what? I realized I like my life well enough, so I'd need to train myself to a new one, even if it's technically "better."
4112  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2018, 04:37:55 AM

It would be fascinating if in the future ...


... and all impossible futures generally are fascinating.

Looks like the whole tx spam job by Ver's minions, Wu, Armstrong, Rizun, jbreher, cyberdoc and co. is officially a failed exercise in self-falattio

https://dedi.jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#6m

time to find a new FUD spam song for bitcoin's official losers brigade.

Do we have proof that there was spam from the BCASH camp?  Did anyone do the forensics on that?
No proof as in theorem, but lots of hard numerical evidence showing suspect correlation.
I suspect the operation was only economical with regionally subsidized energy back in China.
As soon as you become a smaller part of the earth mining pool, the cost of spamming grows like 1 - 1/n, if your hashrate is 1/n of the total.
I'd challenge a malicious opponent to pull this off in, say, Canada.
Playing devil's advocate here. I think your argument is compelling. But is it not also possible that this was the result of non batched non segwit transactions that we are now seeing fixed by some of the exchanges and possibly pools?
I'm pretty sure Coinbase's practices played a bigger role here than many of us (I, for one!) suspected. On the other hand, that would make it even easier for an adversary who is willing to, and large enough to swallow the backblow in lost mining revenue (like 1/n  for smallish n - say 3.5-5).

Playing the devil's advocate apprentice: it might have been a necessary, or merely favorable, condition to have big boss exchange playing along. But it's only a matter of how much you have to burn/how long it lasts.
4113  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2018, 04:30:21 AM
But how many people actually bought Bitcoin at the top, or XRP at the top?
Wild guessing exercise:

XRP, uh I don't know... probably not as many: only wise, up-to-date kids who already made some on korn? Mid-large positions maybe?

BTC on the contrary, quite a few people I think. Pops and moms, first-timers, people already on the brink for months-years. I imagine many small positions with no single mind, no coordination, basically no clue. Most on Coinbase.
4114  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2018, 04:21:57 AM

It would be fascinating if in the future ...


... and all impossible futures generally are fascinating.

Looks like the whole tx spam job by Ver's minions, Wu, Armstrong, Rizun, jbreher, cyberdoc and co. is officially a failed exercise in self-falattio

https://dedi.jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#6m

time to find a new FUD spam song for bitcoin's official losers brigade.

Do we have proof that there was spam from the BCASH camp?  Did anyone do the forensics on that?
No proof as in theorem, but lots of hard numerical evidence showing suspect correlation.
I suspect the operation was only economical with regionally subsidized energy back in China.
As soon as you become a smaller part of the earth mining pool, the cost of spamming grows like 1 - 1/n, if your hashrate is 1/n of the total.
I'd challenge a malicious opponent to pull this off in, say, Canada.
4115  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 27, 2018, 07:20:18 PM
I for one hope we can all wave to Bob soon. He seems too stressed for someone on the brink of early retirement with a bag full of BTC. The man deserves some relaxation.  Grin
He does. And I think he will be all right very soon.
But I was slightly and nastily suggesting that Toxic might have a problem with the "some relaxation" issue while Bob's on horseback and his bf is away ;-)
4116  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 27, 2018, 07:12:51 PM
Bids are still growing while asks have remained relatively stable. Someone wave to Bob as we go by please...
Worried about cowboys chasing you?  Tongue
4117  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 27, 2018, 07:07:36 PM
https://medium.com/@bitfinexed/bitfinex-fails-to-perform-promised-audits-instead-they-have-a-shareholder-tell-everyone-its-all-965ae7037b5d
https://twitter.com/tetherprinter

This is bad.. I was really hoping they'd let an audit happen to prove their books were good.
As each day passes i really think they cooked their books using Tether.
Rather than mandating KYC maybe the govt should mandate audits on the exchanges.

My thoughts exactly. It was my main crypto-hope recently that they could successfully withstand an audit. But I've always been skeptical about it. I am afraid bitfinex with its tether business and other malpratices is due to cause serious trouble soon.
4118  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 26, 2018, 03:51:32 PM
Looks like CME drop was a damp squib, and people are gonna panic to buy back in.

This guy reckons its unlikely, but there could be a last minute sell.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7syd2c/expiring_futures_tomorrow_not_so_fast/

At what time (CET) they expire exactly again? I am pretty sure some of the actions in the past 24 Hours are related.
4 PM Greenwich Time - I think it's CET-1, but do check.
4119  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 26, 2018, 01:15:44 PM
Over 100 LN nodes running now..20% of all nodes now SegWit and growing. Ver is a sociopath.

Just ordered a Lenovo x3100 M5 with 4 x 4 TB hot-swap drives running RAID 10, to run my new bitcoind and lnd node.

Will be running Ubuntu.

Fun project I'm looking towards. Figure I'll fund the LN node with 2 BTC and see what happens.
You'll have to open at least 48 channels, since at the moment each channel has max 0.042 BTC capacity.
4120  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 26, 2018, 01:13:36 PM
For example, A and B connect to me with 1 BTC each. I copy their public key to an offline machine and have it generate a million transactions each (or however many are needed) to account for every possible signed transaction then transfer that to a computer online.

Also, if this is possible, what prevents me from signing all of those transactions then spending the bitcoins somewhere else. Or is this what SegWit fixed?
No you can't do that. You only get some coin from Alice that you must pass on to the opposite end of one of your open channels. Each channel has only two ends: you and the other guy. So you get money on one channel (Alice), you pass it on to Charlie, which will help with another hop, until the coins reach the final destination - Bob, but none of the intermediate nodes knows that. You can't withhold the funds within your node. They must travel onwards.


And in this scenario could we interpret every single channel "section" (aka my combined 2 connections (Alice to me, and me to Charlie) as a tx confirmation? Thus, a passthrough of let's say 5 channels equals 5 confirmations?
No. Each intermediate hop (channel fund movement) is confirmed almost instantaneously. So the sending node gets its balance back at once.
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