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421  Economy / Economics / Re: --- You Are Not Late --- on: August 10, 2014, 07:16:38 PM
Less than 0.1% of the world uses bitcoin. We are all early adopters. So will the next 0.9% be. We are all here before fucking wallstreet, that makes us financial geniuses if things keep growing.

Wall street getting into bitcoin might drive up the price, but they might end up screwing the bitcoin economy.  Smiley
Care to elaborate on that?

One possibility - bitcoin derivatives which greedy Joes on the street end up investing in. If they lose their money, bitcoin might get blamed.  Tongue
So what about it? Why would that be a problem?

It would decrease adoption by common people. We don't want that happening, do we?
That scenario is not a matter of "if" but "when". Dumb people are going to do dumb things and make dumb decisions. The technology involved has nothing to do with it, so it ultimately won't matter.

Sadly you are exactly right. There will always be shady people taking advantage of unwise people around any currency. It just gets more attention with bit coin. Ironically the fiat system does this on a massive scale but people tend to not pay attention to it.
This is why there needs to be applications and apps that makes using BTC more user friendly and more "idiot proof"; I have not been able to use circle yet, but I would expect that this would be one example of how using bitcoin can be like this.
422  Economy / Economics / Re: Would u pay in bitcoin? on: August 10, 2014, 07:14:58 PM



Or are you considering international purchases? 

My OP was made because i was selling a bike on gumtree for $150 i think but also said half price if paying in bitcoin just to see what interest i got from it, not one person wanted to pay in bitcoin but everybody asked "what is it"? Some researched it and came back saying it just looked to hard for them to bother with. I know its not that easy to begin with and it made me think with all the money being put in to bitcoin why is it still not easy for the average joe?

Wow. I'm actually surprised no one took you up on that offer in order to save $75.

That really speaks volumes about the state of Bitcoin usability.

"speaks volumes" really? Do you know the term samplesize?

A real use case example with multiple people expressing interest and not a single person being able to take him up on his offer says a lot.

I'm not trying to make a statistical inference here. The fact that no one was able or willing to google 'buy bitcoin', buy some, and buy the guys bike and save 50% is not an ideal situation is it?

I would love to see a similar experiment repeated on a larger scale to gather more data. But in the mean time his original point of bitcoin not being easy to use for the average Joe holds true, does it not?
I think an offer for a 50% discount would likely be some kind of a scam because the costs associated with accepting other types of payments are not going to be that big, especially with selling a bike. The amount of the discount should always be less expensive then accepting non-BTC payments as the consumer and the merchant would share the cost savings.
423  Economy / Economics / Re: Mining USD? on: August 10, 2014, 07:13:03 PM
Is this topic related to the troll army draft in the service forum?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=695428.0

Only central banks can "mine" dollars, unless you want to practice a federal crime that can give you 10 years in jail


Let us say the creator of an altcoin deposited a stash of dollars, from which miners would be gradually rewarded.
Works similar to 'mining' of USD.
I don't think this would make very much sense to me. How would the creator of the "dollar coin" be compensated for doing this? What incentive would he have?

The incentives look much better if you consider the creator to be a large portion of the mining capacity of the network.  By backing the blocks he doesn't earn, he gets to float the blocks he does.  An open market will really back things in the long term as the initial seed USD runs out.  In addition, he can gain transaction fees if the network becomes popular.  After the seed USD runs out, it may have to break the peg and USDcoin would possibly become more valuable than USD unless more backers are found to keep mining more USD.
I think this would really amount to paying others to mine their altcoin by buying the coins miners mine back from the miners at a fixed rate. Once the fund to buy the coins back is dried up the miners would no longer have an incentive to mine and since you were the only buyer the price of the coin would drop to near zero (or more likely to zero).
424  Economy / Economics / Re: Why does acceptance of Bitcoin has to do with the price of Bitcoin? on: August 10, 2014, 07:10:43 PM
As more people use it, demand for a bitcoin will be higher. Since it has a finite supply, price per unit will naturally rise.

Deppends.

If people use bitcoin to receive payment then dump the bitcoins for fiat, the price won't change. Its deppends more about the hodlers.
But people who receive payment will not necessarily sell all the bitcoin they receive for their goods/services, and the people that purchase bitcoin will not necessarily spend all of their bitcoin.
Hopefully, eventually bitcoin adoption will be large enough so that companies will participate in B2B transactions in bitcoin, making it so companies will not need to sell the bitcoin they earn from sales into fiat.
This is exactly the right answer. The small incremental increases in adoption will have a small effect on the price of BTC however once enough people use bitcoin that businesses can pay their suppliers and vendors in bitcoin the price will be much higher as there will be much more demand for bitcoin.
425  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: The blockchain breaks the privacy laws (?) on: August 10, 2014, 06:09:56 PM
It's a completely different system at play here so I don't think we can apply those laws.

Plus, it's a voluntary act. Using Bitcoin that is.

I think this is true, I would say that you sacrifice your right to privacy by choosing to use BTC.   If you were forced to use BTC, then maybe you would have a case
It is not possible to force someone to use bitcoin. Once you control an address, no one can force you to sign a TX that spends your coins.
426  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: POLL: How do you think government regulation will effect bitcoin? on: August 10, 2014, 06:08:51 PM
The more they regulate it the more attention Bitcoin gets.  Consider it free advertisement when people already don't trust the government.  The people paying attention will likely do what is in their best interest and Bitcoin is in everybody's best interest generally speaking.
There are some situations when it is not in a person's best interest to you bitcoin. One example of this would be a title company or a law firm account that is holding funds on behalf of their clients. Both of these types of companies need to have a very clear paper trail documenting every single transaction into and out of their bank accounts.
427  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How to buy real estate with Bitcoin? on: August 10, 2014, 06:06:15 PM
Use Bitpay. There was a recent transaction involving a piece of land in Lake Tahoe that was purchased with bitcoin that was processed with Bitpay. I think there were a couple others as well that were processed in a similar fashion.
428  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How to prevent Bitcoins being seized? on: August 10, 2014, 06:00:42 PM
Encrypt your wallet and store your wallet in a pen drive and hide this pen drive in some secret place.

Always take a backup of your wallet in other pen drive, etc. ;P

paper wallet is better for a long term point of view, even with encryption you are forced to reveal it, or they arrest you
You would still have 5th amendment issues in this case as if there was incriminating evidence against you on there, you would be forced to provide evidence against yourself.
429  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Not filing taxes with bitcoin on: August 10, 2014, 05:58:52 PM
it depend how you sold those btc, if it is face to face, then they can't track you back so easily, otherwise via exchange you will get in troubles some day(here also it depend on the amount)
Even with face to face trades you will still receive cash that you would either deposit in the bank or spend somehow. The IRS can look at your standard of living and decide that it is too high for your reported income.

what about i keeps them in my house, and use them for something like food or other thing that cannot be trackable?
for example if i convert 1M(i declare to IRS only 100k) and use the rest only for food/things that not generate invoice ecc..they can't do nothing i think
If you use cash to buy things like food, then you would not need to spend the "income" money that you earn to buy food so you could use that money to buy other things. Remember that money is fungible so it doesn't matter which dollar you use to buy something as long as you use a dollar.
430  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fee deducted from the transferred amount. Insane. on: August 10, 2014, 05:55:33 PM
Either that or the OP's customers do not understand that the miner's fee is the responsibility of the sender. 

No one client argued that it was his responsibility. They just said: "Ah! I didn't noticed that!".

That what I demand make it noticeable! Not only in the moment of payment but in historical view too. Repeat it every time transaction mentioned. It is simple good practice method.

I do merchant operations with Bitcoins for 7 years now. And such problem regularly happens only and only with BTC-e clients. Doesn't it give any hint that something wrong in BTC-e?
Considering that the fee averages ~$0.06 per TX now I would really not worry about it that much unless your average TX is very small.
As said above since the fee is so small presently for most transactions the merchant should just absorb the TX fee as a cost of doing business. This would likely be less then accepting any other form of payment.
431  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think Satoshi will ever spend his bitcoins? on: August 10, 2014, 05:52:52 PM
No.
Satoshi never spent his bitcoins in the past.
Why would he bother spending them now?

Ofc he can reap in all the rewards, but he doesn't want to do anything anymore with BTC.
Or does he?   Shocked
How would he reap the rewards if he does not spend any of his BTC? He would not have any other way to profit from BTC without actually selling/spending his BTC.
432  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin via SMS? on: August 10, 2014, 05:48:53 PM
I agree, this could actually work. I have known people to purchase credits on sites such as Facebook using text messages so this really is just the same thing only it would be bitcoin. I don't see there being any high rates if they just take off you the money it costs to send the text message plus what they owe in bitcoins.
I disagree. I think paying for bitcoin via SMS (aka your phone bill) would carry the same risks as accepting credit cards. The owner of the phone account could claim that their phone was stolen and they did not authorize the payment, the merchant would then be left on the hook for the disputed transaction.
I agree with this. There are too many risks with accepting SMS for payment for BTC. Unlike with a credit card payment it would be very difficult to verify that a SMS payment was authorized by the account owner as the person who setup the SMS payment would likely be in possession of the phone.
433  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: 0.2 FEE!!!! ? am i missing something? on: August 10, 2014, 05:45:29 PM
i dont understand how to find the block, the miner, and then contacting them assuming i acquire all this info
There is no real way to find the miner. The miner in question sent the blockreward to an "unknown" address so no one really knows which pool the block was mined on; it was probably someone who was solo mining with a lot of hashpower.

This address is very famous, as it has a big chunk of the network hash. The guesses in the forum are pretty educated and if OP does contact them and proves he is holder of the private key, there is a good chance he gets it back!
It has a small percentage of the hashrate when compared to most pools. AFAIK no one really knows the identity behind the address.

It has 6% now and had around that rate for weeks now (even months if the found links are correct)
Even a 5% or a 6% hashrate is pretty small. The fact that they are essentially solo mining likely means that they wish to remain anon and value their privacy. I would say that they are likely mining for financial reasons as opposed to an interest in BTC or wanting to help the network. Looking at the address history I do see some inputs that are from the ghash mining address so it is possible that they are mining on ghash as well. The OP could contact ghash to see if they can try to get contact info for the address, but I think that would be a long shot at best as ghash also values privacy.
434  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How many addresses do you think the average bitcoin user has? on: August 10, 2014, 05:38:54 PM
The average bitcoin user in my opinion could have about 50 addresses.
This takes into account the smart ones, with hundreds or thousands, and the newbie users with only 1 address.

There are many non-newbies who use addresses multiple times and for extended periods even though it might not be good practice to do so. For example, donation addresses, vanity addresses, sig payment addresses, etc.
When these types of addresses are used the coins are often transferred to another address that has never been used before, and will only be used once. I think the average user that has been using bitcoin for several years will have used several hundred if not thousand addresses.
435  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Custom Porn and Bitcoin Story on: August 10, 2014, 05:34:34 PM
I found it very interesting that the author of the article in the OP was willing to pay 20 and 40% to a third party to receive payment. From what I can tell the third party was providing very little service above collecting payment.
I was also surprised by how much they were willing to pay just to get paid for their work.

They were not willing. They were forced to pay because they had no other options. Bitcoin has changed all that. Smiley
The article said multiple times that the price was "well worth it" and that they were happy to only receive 60% and 80% of their sales.
436  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC is CIA/NSA etc. project... what is the newest info supporting this? on: August 10, 2014, 05:32:50 PM
here is the newsweeks research (...)
Stopped reading when I saw these two words next to each other:

-Newsweek
-Research

Thanks for the laugh, OP.
+1 LOL

For the OP: I would find it very unlikely that the CIA and/or the NSA was behind bitcoin. They would gain nothing by creating BTC, and would create a number of headaches that they are dealing with that are BTC and crypto related.

Wow guys, just wow, go to your mainstream media again to tell you what to think, because obviously you are afraid just to THINK about the POSSIBILITY of existence of an alternative.

What would the USA gov. had to gain by creating bitcoin? There are several things, i have written them even down here few months ago.

Most of the US gov. would be incapable of creating something like bitcoin. The CIA is lacking in technical skills, so they always ask others (NSA, Google) for help.

If it was made by Google, they would think of a way to profit from it, not give it out freely. As for the NSA, they would have made it in C#  Cheesy
The CIA is very capable of creating things. I think they would be capable of doing so, but as I said above they would have very little to gain from it. It was said above that they would use the hashpower to steal passwords, but the CIA has much easier ways to steal passwords. They are also not in need of needing "free" hashpower as they will get more or less as big of a budget as they need.
437  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Which city will be the center of crypto currency on: August 10, 2014, 05:27:46 PM
Which city will be the center of crypto currency?

Here, I have circled it for you on the map. This city will be the center of crypto currency:


This is not a single city lol. I agree with the above post that says it will likely be a city in the netherlands. They have a small amount of regulation and low tax rates.
438  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are You Spending Bitcoin? on: August 10, 2014, 05:25:12 PM
I just read this:
http://www.finance-guy.net/finblog/how-will-you-spend-your-bitcoin/10/8/2014

It raises an interesting point that if we spend Bitcoin to buy stuff, the companies will most likely sell the BTC pretty quickly.

What do you think?

Will shopping with Bitcoin be good or bad for the price of BTC?

Nah, I just hold them. The price is too low at the moment. If I sell them now or use them to buy stuff, I guess I would be off at a loss. But I'm looking forward to use my BTC to buy something in the future when the price goes back up again! Maybe even into a new bubble!
Why wouldn't you spend your BTC, then buy an equal amount of BTC on an exchange and/or on a trade? This would increase the amount of BTC adoption, will likely allow you to buy goods at a discount and increase the size of the bitcoin economy.
439  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: IS BITCOIN A CIA PROJECT? on: August 10, 2014, 05:23:48 PM
obviously yes.

the cia created bitcoin for free hashing power to crack a secret crypto used by non friendly nations.

This would make sense except that SHA-256 is not very good for keeping what you are saying secret, but rather to ensure that what is said was in fact said by a certain person. If the another country used this type of encryption then it would be very easy to tell what is being said.
440  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Quantum Computer. on: August 10, 2014, 05:21:37 PM
Edit: One more question will this also mean the 21 million bitcoins will be made faster?
A quantum computer is not necessary for this to happen. The fact that the difficulty is increasing at a rapid rate means that, on average blocks are found less then every 10 minutes. The answer to your question is "yes" the 21 million BTC will be made faster, but this will not be because of quantum computers, it will be because of ASICs.
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