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This has gone crazy like dot com bubble now.
It is really hard to filter for the 'fair' ICO- premined- scam- free coins that have some real different features than bitcoin. I only encounterd ZCL here but I have not the full overview nor the time for analysing this...
The rest is just the model: Sell to idiots. Few make money.
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So...weekend lift or dump?
lfump |
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If you guys tell me he's not trolling any more I'll reconsider.
I'd recommend. I feel he's more ranting and overdoing rather than 'trolling'. Some USAF guys are 'ranting' same manner and we should be able to filter that kind of porn by ourselves - otherwise I read on reddit/bitcoin if I cant stand that kind.  |
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83.3% support now with NYA in their coinbase so it's reached activation levels. This has been helped by bitclubnetwork joining them, however they've also actually started the real signalling on bit4/1 that activates it in mid-july. The reason is that the admin of that pool is the one that defined BIP91 and wrote the code for it so he's the first to use it as more than just proof of concept.
Well this is good news for a change! You know, at this point Segwit2x is better than a chain split. Let's hope for the best. With the segwit component assured now, indeed it is at this point, until we get to the 2x part of it. That's when the next battle begins. The 2x might buy some time to prepare next scaling steps. Not sure if community is prepared better if this is needed in some years. |
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I think the main reason is because the price is undervalued. If bitcoin were trading at $100k a coin, then a swing of $10k in either direction (which would be huge by today's standards) would not be considered so huge.
Bitcoin is traded very freely - you have sellers and buyes finding a price. The evaluation IS market to market - fair and correct. I guess you speak about the trend - this is clear a massive up-trend and we see many days with 10% up and a few 20% down - doesn't matter if we are in different price regimes: 2011: 2 -30 2013: 100-1200 2017: 800 -3000 2022:10k-100k ? |
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It s called core.
What kind of core is not central?
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Where is the proof he does not?
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My thoughts:
Community <-> Commodity
^There is something related (at least some letters)
Crypto - sure
Currency / Sound money ? both flawed
-> Social crypto commodity
New asset class for sure!
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I think the only reason for that is because Bitcoin does not have a real economy yet. It is just used for trading purpose, unline other traditional currencies which are used to buy and sell stuff
For all bigger currencies there is a huge 'efficient' FX market / huge volume trading in place - that keeps the vola in a narrow range. And yes - economy is also a fact there and mostly corridored to +2% p.a. - vola is low due to that as well... |
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Geil  Das werte ich auch als gutes Zeichen  Kauf ich, wenn ich das bei amazon.de für BTC krieg ... Übrigens Bestseller Themen Bereich Banken Platz 1 huaha - den banken geht das Thema aus. Gugg mal in der Skandalecke ... |
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let´s look at other factors of dominance, not market cap (which is so easily manipulated, that it does not proof anything).
let´s look at how many goods are bought with bitcoin compared to all other altcoins.
let´s look at how many merchants accept bitcoin compared to all other altcoins.
let´s look what crypto is used for cross border payments.
let´s look how many bitcoin-start-ups are existing compared to all other altcoins.
i bet in every single comparison, bitcoin dominance is still in the 80-90% area.
Good list, but you missed a few more more. let's look at what the MSM is obsessed about writing about (Bitcoin) and creating FUD about, and not all other altcoins. let's look at what the governments of the world are obsessed with trying to regulate (Bitcoin) with little to no mention of all other altcoins. let's look at what ANYONE is trying to get an ETF approved for (Bitcoin) and NO other altcoin. 1. First they ignore you <----- all altcoins are here, and 99.99% will stay here forever 2. Then they laugh at you <----- 0.01% altcoins will make it here and stay here forever 3. Then they fight you <----- Bitcoin is here now 4. Then you win I consider altcoins a scaling solution. Profoundly censorship-resistant transfers of value are a serious business; there will always be plenty of new tokens out there for micro-transactions and shameless speculation. Every Doge will have its day. I'd expect a sharp dot.com like wash out the next few months - (years). There is not much room for 1k coins most like we have Amazon, Google, Ebay, Apple,Facebook. That's the market and off you go. |
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Geil Das werte ich auch als gutes Zeichen Kauf ich, wenn ich das bei amazon.de für BTC krieg ... |
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I just try to find the major reasons for the very high volatility of bitcoins price we all encountered over the last years.
1) Exponential Growth ( in trust and usage)
It's clear this is a very strong reason to cause price volatility, since we have double and double of requesters that all needs to get coins from a scarce bitcoin supply.
So we see price squeezes all over the time (more up than down). Further we have no or lost experience with such exponential growth process esp in money (last adoption was gold some 1000 years before)
2) Evaluation Base CCY ?
I have the strong suspicion that bitcoins volatility is positive correlated to the volatility of the lowest trusted fiat currencies' volatility in the world.
Sadly I cannot proof this by averaging the historical volatilities of a 'poor's currency basket' of (Zimbabwe$, Venezuela$, Egypt pound, Jemen slotty, Syria Dinar,..xyz...) but I estimate, that we have same volatility there as in bitcoin. And all people living in those countries should be way better off with bitcoin and it's vola!
We just see and measure BTC/USD - volatility is high, but we forget where it's based on - on the poor ccys all together - but they are dominant here.
3) Heterogeneous / Fragmented Markets
We now have some 100 different exchanges and local places where you can exchange you bitcoin against any other fiat or crypto. There is no condensed order book / matching for a trade and limited arbitrage due to capital protection of some states.
I'd guess we'd see a fraction of the actual volatility, if we would have a (ideal) single world exchange, where all must trade BTC/USD (USD is just a default example for a world fiat and rest crypto ccy) .
Any other reasons you could see?
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The truth is ruling the (true!) philosophers. Our task is to filter. This is authority. |
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Next: Gold is evil
Diamonds
Art
Any store of value
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mal von einem rookie an euch?...  was ist dran an der Goldman-Sachs-These: "langfristig bearish ab 3100$" ??! Oder ist allein die Aussage ein politisches Manöver? Welche Strategie würdest du wählen wenn du billig kaufen willst und jeder auf dich hört? Goldman ist der dickste Fisch! Der kriegt sogar Griechenland in den EUR... |
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Last time r0ach was talking about a bearish head and shoulders bitcoin went from $1100 to $3000.
Nah, I said the chart looked bearish and then Scamfinex turned off withdrawals, forcing all sellers to become buyers while also squeezing every short in existence, which artifically pumped the market higher. Then people saw that rise and thought the cup and handle pattern was in play and just kept pumping it higher. It was pretty much the perfect storm of Finex manipulation that was not based on any type of fundamentals or news or anything. It's much harder to repeat such pumps when the transaction fees are out of control though. I imagined bitcoin growth would slow down tremendously once transaction fees got to around $2 and excess traffic would leave with Litecoin being the main beneficiary, so with current bitcoin fees spiking to the moon and some exchanges charging $7 transaction fees, that's what is happening. Hu? Then go for Satoshis, they are hell of cheap! |
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Edit: 12 Std. Chart SAR down bei ca. 2400 USD, Umsatz weiter SEHR niedrig in der Abwärtsbewegung Bitcoin, Litecoin and Ethereum Coming Soon to Fidelity Investments Website Fidelity Investments CEO: "I love this stuff – bitcoin, ethereum, blockchain technology – and what the future holds." https://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/news/bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-coming-soon-fidelity-investments-website/
Altcoin flipping oder real invest? Plus Schweizer Fond, ETF, ETN, Vermögensverwalter?Da kommen noch mehr. alles hier gepostet, wenn nicht gelösccht wurde.. 61,7 Milliarden Britische-Pfund zu verwalten. wenndieser eine 5% umschichtet sind das 3 MRD Alles Cryptos zusammen, haben ca. 100 MRD XBT Provider steigt auf über 100 Mio aktuell ca. 7 mio user weltweit Kumuliert hochgerechnet auf ein Jahr: 4,68M Downloads Google playstore Bitcoin Wallet developers - 90k https://sensortower.com/android/publisher/bitcoin-wallet-developers/Bitcoin+Wallet+developers/(Western Union Holdings, Inc. Western Union Money Transfer platz 13) mit P2P Person to Person (peer to Peer)  2,90 Euro per transfer Coinbase, Inc. - 200k 4 Plätze nach oben, Top Free Finance Ranking 18https://sensortower.com/android/publisher/coinbase-inc/Coinbase,+Inc./Blockchain Luxembourg S.A. - 100k https://sensortower.com/android/publisher/blockchain-luxembourg-s-a/Blockchain+Luxembourg+S.A./Alle Wallets zusammen wäre wohl klar unter den TOP 10 Iphone https://sensortower.com/ios/rankings/top/iphone/us/finance?date=6/18/2017
ranking platz 10 ipad, welchen Einfluss hat diese Dame?Fidelity Investments Fidelity Investments for iPad Iphone platz 40 https://sensortower.com/ios/rankings/top/ipad/us/finance?date=6/18/2017ipat platz 10 vor, es schauen noch sehr viele zu. XBT Apps Ltd Bitcoin Ticker Fusion Media Limited Investing.com - Stocks, Forex, Futures & Morningstar, Inc. Morningstar for iPad https://sensortower.com/ios/rankings/top/ipad/us/finance?date=6/18/2017Iphone bezahlte APP 4,99 USD Platz 11 Samuel Laska Crypto Pro: Bitcoin Ticker, Widget & Compl Platz 12 vonm Platz 13 rauf Johannes Plunien Polo - For the Poloniex Bitcoin / Altcoin Exc nahe an der Verdopplung der USER Zahl bis Ende 2017 wachsend Der USER ist ein HALTER schon 100 mal beschrieben Seine Benutzerzeit ist eine Haltzeit Warum ist der Markt also bullish? Das sind die Fakten 4 Std Chart StochRSI korrigiert mit nahe zu NULL Umsatz bis zum Longtrend 2 Std.  4 Std.  12 Std.  Wow. Gute Zusammenfassung. Das sollte für Schub sorgen zusammen nochmit dem evtl Scaling-Kompromiss. Zumindest sollte sich jeder vor dem SellButton 'fürchten'. |
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should be discussed by the community in as open and as free a manner as possible.
Then you make a self moderated thread?  In any case... I'd say stick a fork in it, but it sounds like Bitmain is now planning on doing just that. They've announced their intention to fork off onto a new and incompatible direction, (also publicly announced that they plan to do a 72-hour selfish mine on their fork, which is ... odd to announce). In my view, that after the near unanimous rejection of segwit2x by active developers (even BU) Bitmain announcing they're gonna do a spinoff is the final killing blow on that absurd agreement. 1. if core is perfect working code, then why does it need "fixes" such as malleability, quadratics
uh, those things are not dealing with "code" features they're limitations in the Bitcoin protocol which are fixed by segwit. Segwit is the fix and it was needed because the protocol design Satoshi had a few limitations. There have been many softforks in the past to fix other limitations in the original design-- some performed by Satoshi himself, some performed by the current folks that maintain the software. I'd guess, all what we will do to bitcoin from now on will be backward incompatible per se - or a hack that's shifting the time point a bit further - and than we must do that incompatible change. The hard task is just to filter out what we NOT want to do. I still like to see sth as open (source) as possible, small code base, minimum protocol like - multiple clients , markets decide what's best -> evolution! |
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for the 100,000,000,000th time, nobody cares about the total market capitalization! altcoins can easily make billions of coin out of thin air and with 0.00000001 price or ever less (yes there are a lot of them worth half a satoshi or 1/100 of a satoshi) and make this total market cap grow out of proportion, just like what your beloved ethereum does puuuuuu we just wanna party !!! We take all triggers |
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