... Fällt m.E. mengenmässig noch unter jegliches Konfidenzintervall.... what? klick mal auf Tageschart bitte, er zieht richtig an Jo, der Preis schon. Ich meinte aber das Gesamtvolumen der möglichen Kapitalflucht via Bitcoin. Das ist der Sack Reis, der da umfällt.... |
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... Fällt m.E. mengenmässig noch unter jegliches Konfidenzintervall.... |
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Natürlich Blödsinn. Die verschuldeten Immobilienbesitzer (und nur die) gewinnen am Buchwert ihrer Immobilie in einem völlig überhitzten Immobilienmarkt. Bei steigenden Zinsen würden in 10-20 Jahren aus einem Teil dieser Buchwert-Gewinner Insolvenzfälle.
Würden sie Bitcoin nutzen, dann könnten diese Menschen tatsächlich gewinnen. Zuerst an finanzieller Unabhängigkeit und in der Folge an einer Wertsteigerung ihres Vermögens. Wobei bei der bisherigen Kurs- und auch Wertentwicklung selbst die wenigen tatsächlicher Nutzer ausreichen, um diesen einen Gewinn an Freiheit und Wertzuwachs zu liefern.
vorallem würde ich gerne wissen wie die Ärmsten von steigenden Immobilienpreisen und höheren Mieten profitieren! Wie einer schrieb, warum gibt es noch Harz iV empfänger wenn alle Renditen erzielen? Rendite und Profit sind nicht nachhaltig, es können nicht alle gleichzeitig haben, und bei keiner einzigen Instanz kann es in alle Ewigkeit funktionieren. Spätestens wenn einem der gesamte Planet gehört, ist Schluss mit der Steigerung (aber gefühlt geht es schon vorher los). Es gibt nur eine Metrik, auf der unser Wohlstand basiert, das ist unsere Arbeitskraft. Aktien, Rohstoffe, Erzeugnisse, Immobilien, Land, Bitcoins etc. sind nichts weiter als Speichermedien für Ersparnisse, denen zusammen genommen kein Ertrag mehr innewohnt. Innerhalb dieser Speichermedien findet (im Durchschnitt) nur noch Umverteilung, aber kein Wachstum mehr statt. Respekt. Das ist , ohne anderes zu diskreditieren, das ziemlich beste hier.... Daran kann man auch z.B. ganz gut erkennen, dass unser Rentensystem durch den Generationenvertrag ganz gut funktionieren sollte, falls unsere Nachkommen ähnliche Arbeitsbedingungen haben (Arbeit haben scheint das höchste Gut zu sein). Denn die meissten Speichermedien sind recht Risikobehaftet oder nicht liquide. Der bitcoin ist evtl DIE Lösung schlechthin und muss sich 'nur' noch ein bissel durch die aktuellen Problem wie Skalierung, Community Spaltung, Altcoins, BlockchainHoffnungen, Akzeptanz, Volatilität usw durchsetzen. Langfristig (Rente, Speichermedium,...) sicher interessant! |
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Again
Comparing Bitcoin and ETH is not really helpful here. Just too different and both too complex in all points like owner structure, setup, parameters ...
Just not possible to derrive much from each other - but very good for politics.
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 Same volume four times in a row. Interesting, even though we all know OKcoin can't be really taken as a price marker. Yes. I ve spotted that on a 4h as well and had same asumption... |
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Try to plot that against GBP / Sterling ...  |
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mehr muss ich dazu nicht sagen, der Finanzmarkt kennt keine Skrupel, bis auf J.P.M (welche sagten in der Öffentlichkeint, die Strafe sei viel zu hoch) hat sich keiner zur Deutschen Bank bekannt lol. Jetzt wird der Finanzmarkt schon von "Ex"-Scammern wie Florian Homm repräsentiert. Irgendwie solltet Ihr Euch auch mal anschauen, von wem der Unsinn so kommt, den Ihr lest.  Leider spielt das keine Rolle, denn der Finanzmarkt wie er heute existiert ist ein einziger Betrug. Es ist nur die Massenpsychologie wichtig.. ... und jeder betrügt und jeder weiss es ... so what  |
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I think we all (devs and other users) saw when a popular on-chain dice site ... ... hehe ... I don't like "small spammy transactions" any more than you do.
I like bitcoin the way it is right now. If it does change, we'll see if the rest of the people follow. It'll be all over the news so I don't even really need to follow this.
Every post here should cost some Satoshis - than we might get closer do define SPAM or not SPAM - correct? |
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Such solutions will always be more expensive than open ones. So Bitcoin (community) needs to look into this unique advantage and keep up staying open & cheap!
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I do not see what bitcoin has to do with bank bailouts... there is no correlation.
... if a real bank run starts, there might be ... look at Greece, Zypres or Venezuela ... OK in Germany it's still different, but panic mode is same all over the world. |
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This reminds me ofthe World of Warcraft situation.. Every year, since 2006, there were people saying "WoW is dead!!!"," (insert name of the new game here) CAME OUT, WOW IS DEAD",etc... and WoW is still one of the biggest mmorpgs today... same story with bitcoin.
Hehe - good Point. Combined would be perfect. Can you use / pay / trade bitcoin within WoW ?  |
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the whole situation loops back to what is the supposed problem that the big block is supposed to fix
Nonsense. We keep telling you that the problem that needs fixing is the limited transaction volume. Who's this "we"? This could be a further sign of weakness in your argument, when you feel some kind of patronizing need to assert the royal we from time to time. And, you are making up problems when there are no problems? How long is it taking for transactions to go through? Less than 2 hours, right? yeah, you will not admit it, yet your non admission does not mean that there is supposedly a problem of transactions clogging up. I'd say it's all about scaling and the Maximum freedom of ways to achieve it. Block size is just a piece and should be free (un-limited) as the internet is. |
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I think it is far more... no, FAR more likely that he just collected a lot of information about his next victims than information about giving away 1000 BTC. You do all realize that he's not going to give out 1000BTC? At least I think not. You need only ask why. Why would someone give away over half a million USD on a whim? Spoiler alert, people with that kind of money do not give it away on a whim.  I d also vote for that. Think of what Av Joe does for greed... |
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Bumping this thread on the news of the Bitfinex hack. How many more exchange defaults are needed before most people realize.a switch to a decentralized exchange is necessary?
Mt. Gox, Bitcoinica, Bitfloor, Bitcurex, Canadian Bitcoins, Mintsy, Cryptsy, Bitfinex ...
.... Bitmarket.eu .... |
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Before this Bitfinex issue I d said: 18 month, what crappy late! Now, I estimate a sharp draw back in adoption and not that big pressure on trx volume. So thanx Bitifinex twice: nice cheap prices and give us time for scaling !!! |
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The probability of bitcoin hardfork should be the same as breaking ECDSA. That would make me sleep well at night.
Dont confuse hardfork with splitting and both chains surviving. Hardfork is very necessay tool to fix issues with the coin, and hardly anyone expects 1 MB Bitcoin forewer - and you need hardfork for the change to fix this arbitrary choosen size in the past (without any research what size (and why) should be used back then and in the future). So the only issue is when to do the hardfork, and this is where the opinions (and most importantly interests) differs. But talking about hardfork should never happen is wrong, Bitcoin already had a hardfork so Im surprised your still using this coin. Splitting chains in ethereum happened because it is easier (difficulty readjust much quicker), and a bailout is a big no for many in the crypto world. Would it be ethereum developers and 80% hashrate refused the bailout instead, it is big question if the forked bailout would survive so long with 20% miners and no developer support instead (I guess no because I hate bailouts, thats why my prefference to ETC if ethereum smart contracts even become usefull in future, as they are not safe now). As I already said above. Comparing gold with fisher price.... |
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Thx!
Very good reading and always good to know what AA is thinking - crystal clear.
It is setting the light on the tradeoffs between scaling (fast) and security issues (slow) in complex systems.
There is just no single answer for that and allows always room for different solutions / communities -> splitting.
I wish all would have his manner to talk about it that way and only allow emotions coming up once its getting down to bitcoin vs fiat.
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Ethereum classic is at 13% mining capacity now.
So now my 50-50% equilibrium theory doesnt sound so stupid after all? Stupid optimistic sheeps!
How stupid can people be for to think that 1 chain can totally absorb the other without dissent? There can never be 100% consensus, it is impossible.
That is why a hardfork should never happen in bitcoin.
As stated, Eth block time and retarget is completely different?
Even with 13% hash power on your 2nd chain, you will only mine LESS than 1 block per hour. (maybe 2 blocks in 3 hours) The 1st chain will mine NEARLY 5.5 blocks per hour. Your 2nd chain, at 1mb, will confirm about 1500 median transactions per hour. The 1st chain, presumably with a block size increase, will be able to confirm somewhere near 20 times that. 30,000 transactions per hour. It will be months and months before difficulty STARTS to come down on your chain. Difficulty on the 1st chain will be back to full speed in about 2 weeks. (after loosing half a block an hour, but presumably confirming more transactions in bigger blocks) There will never be 100% willing consensus. The outcome above is what forces the last few laggards to concede. Do not confuse Ethereum with Bitcoin, RealcluelessBitcoin. Very good points here. So bitcoin's 'Slow' difficulty adjustment is superior and key for saver forks. Very funny that again alt coins are good playground and help bitcoin to better understand those dynamics. Anything else preventing from HF, still? |
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Updated the OP with Ethereum fiasco hardfork.
Do you really want the same to happen with bitcoin? I hope not. So hardforks are unthinkable!
Hm. How much time ETH tubbies gave them? Comparing gold with fisher price? |
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