This will be my final reply to you, though you don't deserve even this. I note you've now left behind your lies about knowing my age.

1) The emunie chatbox archive only goes back about a month. Possibly because:

2) The feature was only activated about a month ago. Therefore you couldn't possibly have seen all my interactions, or even nearly so.

This is probably unsurprising to anyone reading this thread as you've shown yourself to be an honourless liar with an agenda.

3) Look at the title of this thread.

4) It's already been pointed out to you that the points I made don't rely on my character.

The rest of your post is just more vacuous emotive language designed to make me look bad. Honestly, I'm thinking about making a post listing my real faults and shortcomings (there are many). Then, once all you people have finished sniggering behind your hands at my misfortune and insulting me, you can go back, read my post, and realise it makes no difference whatsoever.

Dan, what you seem to be missing is that my goal was to present the truth (as I see it) about why I left emunie so that potential investors have all the information. I have fulfilled my goal long ago and am content that no one will buy emunie because of something I said.

Your crowd of unthinking yes-men have since turned this into a one-sided juvenile shit-flinging match, because they don't understand their own confusion on the matter and have converted it into anger. They have also been the ones shown to be spreading lies here. They present ludicrous accusations about my motives, then attack me for them. All they are attacking in reality is their own misunderstandings. Even when shown they were mistaken, they carry on the attack as if nothing had happened.

I can only suggest they follow this link and educate themselves on how to use reason:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy


If my points were invalid, they (or you) should have said so from the start and we could have all dropped this and gone about our business. They couldn't do that, hence their adolescent under-developed-emotional reactions.



If all this is "free advertising" for emunie, then fine. I can't save people from themselves.

I didn't claim otherwise.

When the event which I spoke about above happened, there were several people in the chatbox complaining that they were receiving next to no fees. Of course he then went and "fixed" it; it was now public.

I had brought this topic up a couple of times before (Peachy isn't aware of this, because he had only just joined). Dan and others argued that it was pretty much working as planned and "why should the network support inefficient hatchers" (slow computers). My point that he had marketed emunie as a product that didn't need expensive hardware ("it can be run on a phone!") when the reality was that 50% of all gains were going mainly to people with exactly that, was met by scoffs, and accusations from Visin of "greed creeping in already". Dan must have known at the time how huge the difference was between his hatchers and everyone else's.
This is why I made such a fuss when the truth was presented so clearly in an SQL query screenshot  (from Peachy; thanks for that) and it was only this public complaining, together with others disappointment, that the "bug" became recognised by Dan.

The (frankly ridiculous) accusations that I didn't understand what a prioritised queue was and was therefore "crying like a baby" were based on ignorance of the facts.


You might also notice that this "fuser" address isn't being used anymore. In fact I haven't seen it used since the event which I spoke of above. Dan has had 3 days to present evidence of this being wrong (another fuser address). I do hope he doesn't suddenly come up with one now.

Honestly I wonder if Dan's "fix" may have just been to stop his hatchers.

One more thing windjc. You were the person calling us cowards for leaving without explaining ourselves.

I have now done so.

I would have thought you'd be more grateful.

Oh windy knows very well I'm not 18 as I used to use a real photo of myself as my avatar (it's not there now).

Again, my arguments don't rely on my character or age. His apparently do.



If you look at the posting times in this guys history, and then at mine, you will see that we are on opposite sides of the world, and only overlap for a couple of hours.

Another lie.

Now this I agree with. If, after the whitepaper is published and the exchange is written,implemented and tested, you don't mind the centralised nature of emunie, nor the hatcher-tax (50%), then this would be a good time to think about investing as you would then be making an informed decision.

Until then, it's merely a gamble.

So another emunie investor comes on here and instead of addressing my points, attacks my character with lies.

We have never spoken about my age and I am not 18 (nor anywhere near it). Since you lied about this, why should anyone take anything you say seriously, especially since your whole argument seems to rest on this (strangely) and most of the rest was invented by you?

Your strange accusation of me being poor (wasn't emunie meant to be for everyone?), followed by you being wealthy is completely irrelevant, but really shows your character and motives clearly.

The only time Visin and I argued about me censoring someone as a mod, was the case of LeoC. He had spent days trolling us, on the emunie forum and on here, which I didn't censor. In fact I attempted to engage him. But when he came on and called the emunie community a bunch of "fucking idiots", I decided a warning was in order. When I gave it, LeoC threatened Dan/Visin that he would reopen his "emunie is a scam" thread and Visin removed my warning under blackmail.

Dan then BANNED Leoc 2 days later.

This is all well known. You are a liar.


The only person I ever censored was Cossackman and that was only after the whole moderator team (those that made their views known) agreed it was necessary. This was done in the mod forum which you don't have access to. There was certainly no friction between Visin and I on the matter.



As for me not being a programmer or an economist, I've made this clear myself so there was no need to reveal this shocking secret.


Why is it that every single person who's come here to "defend" emunie has ignored my points entirely and attacked my character instead, with outright lies and false assumptions? If my points are invalid, say so. I haven't tried to back up my claims with evidence of my character at all so it's totally irrelevant.

Thanks for explaining to us dummies what a prioritised queue is; such an esoteric concept  




 mmhmm

definitely not.

I'll try and answer your questions, but I fear it's not going to be as clear as you'd like.

There is no exact reason or sudden decision that made me distrust Dan; life just isn't like that which is unfortunate when it comes to explaining it, but preferable when we consider the richness of human relationships.

I've actually always liked Dan, and to some extent, still do. The reasons for not trusting him obviously make me question this, but people are not all good or bad. They're a mixture of sometimes conflicting desires and drives.

When I look back over the time I spent with emunie, there were always doubts in my mind which created a kind of mental fog over the whole thing. I had doubts regarding Dan and also about the system itself. Recently I believe the last piece of the puzzle clicked into place and I saw emunie clearly for the first time.

The last couple of days of being there I was highly confused, constantly debating whether to withdraw my support or not. At some point, the balance tipped and I left.

Since doing so, a lot of the mental fog has gone thankfully and I've got a clearer view of the whole thing. I think I've been guilty of trying to ignore what my conscience was telling me.

The biggest event which made me distrust Dan was obviously the "fuser" hatcher I spoke about above. Why I let this slip at the time, I've attempted to explain above. It's always been in my thoughts though.

There was the pinarello video episode which I found quite sickening actually.

There were other small things which made me doubt his integrity, most of which I have no evidence for, but sewed doubts nonetheless. This includes his complete silence when certain subjects were brought up. eg. Having the code checked by a third party, or signing a contract to open the source after a certain time.

There were also his claims about ways of destroying emu to deflate the supply as a reaction to low demand. You can read about them here:

http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/1343-what-happens-when-the-demand-dries-up/

Then of course, I resigned, and suddenly found myself being abused for doing so (I assume they thought I wasn't there), not by Dan himself admittedly, but he certainly did nothing to defend us and when I defended myself it got even worse. This was all Visin of course. When I tried to show Visin for what he really was, Dan banned me.







I never trusted Visin. Every time he opened his mouth I felt like leaving. Look at the whole Cossackman episode for an example. He actually bragged about reading other peoples PM's. Ugh. I find Dan's support of him highly questionable.





There are actually a few videos on the emunie forum which show the features which are working. And they really do work well, no one can doubt that. The exchange is not one of them though. This is really the heart of the system as it sends signals for new emunie to be created and for the buffer system to work. Last I heard, it hadn't been written, let alone implemented and tested.





I hope I've answered your questions satisfactorily. I believe I've said everything I needed to and achieved my goal which was to undo the damage I felt I'd done in support of emunie.

I spent all of yesterday defending myself against quite hurtful attacks against my character, from people I thought better of, and it's taken it's toll.

Hopefully now I can let the matter rest.

Your fears regarding the whitepaper are shared by many I think. Fuserleer says he is writing a technical document rather than a white paper. Certain things will be left out because he doesn't want people stealing his ideas. This is the last I heard of it anyway. Perhaps this has changed.

There is a (limited) buffer system which will buy emu at times of low demand, but I have doubts about it's effectiveness since it then has to resell them without affecting the price. In reality you have just swapped 10 people wanting to sell for one system wanting to sell. If it doesn't sell in time, then it is useless. Only time will tell though.

I also have concerns about the ability to inflate the supply without any way to deflate. The only thing that can happen is a price crash as far as I can see, unless there is constant upward pressure.

I am not an economist though so this may all be wrong.

I've also expressed to Fuserleer my concern about the percentage which goes to hatchers (50%). It seems ridiculously high to me but apparently the founders decided this at some point.

The long ipo shouldn't have too much of an immediate effect as the buffer will need to stock up on emu in order to work. What will happen after that is anyone's guess.

You've come into this thread at the end, read a couple of posts about the others and I being insulted, and decided that's what the issue is. I've tried to show you (by directing you to another thread) what the actual issue is, but you've gone there with this preconception in your mind and read only what agreed with it.

The issue is trust. Nothing more. If you don't feel trust is relevant to this situation, say so. If you feel it is relevant but that there's been no evidence to call it into question, say so.

Your opinion of me is irrelevant to the discussion, and you're doing the very thing which you accuse me of. Not everyone in a project has to be a developer. Others have value too. Don't be so fucking elitist.

Firstly, Ive only known about emunie since November, not a year. Yes, Ive defended emunie in the past against unwarranted accusations and I stand behind that. I've also promoted emunie in the past. This has been discussed already above. Yes, it took me three months to get a full understanding of the project and I left at that time.

Secondly this is not because of a "spat" as you'd know if you bothered to read.

You say Dans business is his own affair, but when a project relies almost completely on trust, it becomes the business of the investors too.

If you'd bothered to read the whole thread then you'd know this, but I suggest you read this thread which illustrates the points I'm making:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439045.0

There were a lot of things inevitable in this project (including the Ltd company) because of the way it was done. Which tells me it was faulty from the ground up. I've said this already.


I accused you of having an emotional attachment to emunie because you have come into the debate without bothering to read my real reasons for leaving and attacked me for things I never said (like them).

For your information, when I withdrew my investment and resigned as moderator, I was on very good terms with Dan and the others.

Your project is built on trust.

Ironically you haven't defended against any of my points.

More insults added. I'm getting used to that from you and your supporters.

I think my posts make it clear that this isn’t a personal attack, but that Dan's worthiness of trust is extremely relevant. I'm sorry you can't see this and felt the need to descend to personal attacks against me. You obviously have an emotional attachment to Dan or the project.

You say you only trust in maths. Fine. Show me the maths that you're trusting in.
I'm not aware of Dan ever insulting me by the way.

Not at all. there's a huge gap between these two extremes and you chose to do nothing on the one hand and reacted with full force on the other.

You could have said something either to Visin or in the chatbox to quash the lies being spread but you didn't. It is your responsibility to do so in my opinion.

What you did do, was make it even worse by pretending you knew nothing about our reasons. So actually, you joined in the shit flinging.

Did we deserve this after giving you hundreds of hours of our time for free?

This isn't personal at all except when you start misrepresenting me and lying about my reasons for leaving.

I'm merely presenting evidence which I think is relevant to any future investors in emunie. Why? because I feel after promoting emunie, I owe it to investors who may have listened to me to present the truth. I presented what I felt was the truth when I was a moderator, and now I continue to do so. I'm sorry if this hurts you as this isn't my intention.


All this started because of your refusal to allow certain facts to come out on your forum. If you were more open and honest there would never have been an issue.


You were quite happy to stand aside while your business partner and others accused us of fakery and cowardice, but when I tried to show his duplicity, you banned me from the forum.

My point is that there are other reasons for not wanting the exchange centralised. The emunie people (Dan included) apparently like to pretend there is only ever one reason, and its a bad one. This has been shown again and again.

I didn't think it was about me. I think it's relevant to me. You speak with a forked tongue.