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4641  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 05, 2017, 04:43:16 PM

Why is ppl here so obsessed with that unknown milf?  Huh
Posting a different pair of boobs for each special event would be appreciated.

Salma Hayek isn't an unknown milf.

Conspirosphere, you are disappointing me. Salma Hayek... tut tut.
4642  Economy / Exchanges / Re: XAPO or...? on: August 05, 2017, 03:54:18 PM
I still like Spectrocoin more because they are buying /exchanging/ BTC -> EUR at good rates. For example Wirex are buying BTC at 100E less than Spectrocoin.

Thanks for the good info, BigBoy89. I'll take a better look into Spectrocoin.

Any actual user of different cards (Xapo or others) is welcome to chime in if they feel like sharing personal experience or opinion!
4643  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 05, 2017, 03:27:42 PM
If you don't mind I'd like to ask you all a few serious questions.

1. When is "moon" for you guys? Everyone has their own "moon" value.

2. When your "moon" figure has been achieved how will you sell a large amount of coins or will you always keep bitcoin?

3. Will you always keep a portion of your stash and never convert to fiat?

Thanks and happy ATH friends.

1. Around 15K USD.

2. I'll sell just enough to get even with all the fiat I poured into BTC.

3. You bet.
4644  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 05, 2017, 11:29:38 AM
Bet CLOSED! Let the game begins...
Thank you all for supporting this game and I wish you all good luck. Let's make contact when ATH touched.
Final list:
20/07 Siggy Sad
21/07 Mr Frog Sad
22/07 Protokol Sad
23/07 Bitcoinaire Sad
24/07 Lost_in_base Sad
25/07 rjclarke2000 Sad
26/07 Globbo Sad
27/07 Poolminor Sad
28/07 TeeBone Sad
29/07 Ted E. Bear Sad
30/07 bahty Sad
31/07 Infofront Sad
01/08 Vin Sad
02/08 Steelboy Sad
03/08 D_eddie Sad
04/08 Bitserve Sad
05/08 Bikerleszno Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
06/08 Last of the v8s
07/08 Pajulapoiss
08/08 Imbatman
09/08 Mikenz
10/08 Machasm
11/08 Aesma
12/08 doc12
13/08 Fluidjax
14/08 ShroomsKit_Disgrace
15/08 Fragout ---- slow death
16/08 Orpington
17/08 sirazimuth
18/08 Ivomm
19/08 Elwar
20/08 Oblox
21/08 Haciendo
22/08 Boba
23/08 ErisDiscordia
24/08 Ludwig Von
25/08 Hazukison
26/08 SportbetMaster
27/08 Nanobtc
28/08 Vamos1
29/08 Paashaas
30/08 RayX12
31/08 BinaryReign
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09/09 Edgar
11/09 Buwaytress
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02/10 Petemoss2
04/10 Herman Hesse
13/10 Cryptoqueen
05/11 Chainsaw
21/11 Icygreen
12/12 Kurious
23/12 Fractaluniverse
14/01/2018 In the silence
05/02/2018 savetherainforest

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I think you only add A date not A reason why if i'am correct so if you didn't put A reason why before Its only .25 BTC AND i Will send the other .25 BTC to d_eddie Just because of the Very Good explanation of why the big price raise

Small vote after payment if you Guy would like another ride like this on maybe  price guess + 4000$$ or something
But first payday than we look further
Greets and Good morning Smiley

Hello,
Yeah I am winner Smiley Frist time ever I won something.
Please send me btc to this address : 1LyuHFHQQuGt6hLjsW8FN4VkiBC6nbCTQD

YEAHHH!!! Winning for a good explanation is even more satisfying than getting the date right!! (Which I thought would be yesterday rather than today.)
Thank you micgoossens!

EDIT: Oops, further down the thread I've seen bikerleszno got the explanation reward, too. Nevermind. It's been a lot of fun Smiley
4645  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 04, 2017, 05:03:10 PM
Segwit clears out the mempool? Trust me, most people don't even know what mempool is. Anyway, we'll hit the new ATH soon, but then BTC will crash hard, because of Bitcoin Cash, you'll see, everything's getting ready for a takeover.

Bye bye.
4646  Economy / Exchanges / XAPO or...? on: August 04, 2017, 03:10:22 PM
Hello, I've done my share of homework researching the available debit cards, but it's hard to find reliable information from people actually using such cards.

EU citizen, currency EUR. My ideal would be a totally anonymous debit card, which as I understand it, is impossible nowadays Sad Unless you want to be limited to 1000-2000 EUR per card/street address. Or is it?

Second best: a normal debit card in my name. I am interested in Xapo, but I'm not sure it actually works well. Are there any alternatives with strong points? Xapo commissions look sane on paper, but how about the exchange rate, for example?

One last issue is taxes. Since I never sold a single BTC, I've had no need to mention BTC in my taxes. How does it work when I spend from a debit card? Am I going to find friendly mr. Smith (the taxman) knocking at my door?

Any advice from actual debit card users will be welcome as useful help.

Thank you!
4647  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 04, 2017, 12:49:22 PM
It's not BCash, it's Bitcoin Cash.

You big blockers can call your abortion fork coin whatever you want to call it.

We "Bitcoiners" will refer to it as BCash. Or shitcoin clone. Whichever.

Pride cometh before the fall.  I'm betting on both horses (by doing nothing), so I'm covered either way.  BTC is worth the same as before the fork, so why be greedy and dump BCH?  If you haven't dumped it, the only reason to bash it is because you're afraid of it.

I haven't dumped it. I'm covered either way. I'm not afraid. I'm annoyed by the power struggles of evil Dr.Sumthings around the world that want to impose their will to a whole community, with the likely hope of being able to manipulate the rules at will once they're in control. The evil Dr.Sumthing always fails in the end, as we all know from uncountable James Bond movies. That's why I'm not afraid.

TL;DR: Not afraid, but pissed off.
4648  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 04, 2017, 12:33:46 PM
It's not BCash, it's Bitcoin Cash.

You big blockers can call your abortion fork coin whatever you want to call it.

We "Bitcoiners" will refer to it as BCash. Or shitcoin clone. Whichever.

I think Bash sounds good.

Or even "Ash", after some price movement eventually makes short work of it.
4649  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 04, 2017, 09:59:55 AM
The community doesn't realize yet it has been besieged.
I think most people involved in BTC (the community) do realize this is an attack. I, for one, do.
A siege, though, is not a generic attack. It involves being starved by the enemy outside, which can't happen as long as we keep our provisions (BTC) - that is, if we don't trade BTC for BCH.

I am convinced that the value of BCH will vanish soon, unless it is artificially (and expensively) pumped from the BCH side. Which they are welcome to do, as far as I'm concerned. I'm going to trade my BCH back into BTC if I see steady rates in the order of 0.3-0.5 BCH/BTC.

I dont expect it to come back to 0.3-0.5 rate ever. Upcoming days BCH will drop in value drasticly. At the moment of speaking BCH is already down to 275 Euro on Kraken.

Get a decent price for em while you still can....

Thanks for your suggestion, HanvanBitcoin. I see what you mean and it's reasonable.

However, I've thought a bit about it. I need to set up an account and move all my coins to new addresses before I can actually sell. For the time being, I like to consider my hedl BCH as an insurance on the unlikely black swan of BTC losing value as the real chain. And I'm waiting for a possible pump in November. Deferred rewards and all that.

4650  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 04, 2017, 09:49:55 AM
The community doesn't realize yet it has been besieged.
I think most people involved in BTC (the community) do realize this is an attack. I, for one, do.
A siege, though, is not a generic attack. It involves being starved by the enemy outside, which can't happen as long as we keep our provisions (BTC) - that is, if we don't trade BTC for BCH.

I am convinced that the value of BCH will vanish soon, unless it is artificially (and expensively) pumped from the BCH side. Which they are welcome to do, as far as I'm concerned. I'm going to trade my BCH back into BTC if I see steady rates in the order of 0.3-0.5 BCH/BTC.
4651  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 04, 2017, 09:48:07 AM
we're gonna see a whale jump out of the ocean.  Also someone's made an error.
I can't figure out your cryptic statement. Someone on which side? What makes you think an error was made?

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This war is going to evolve to involve fiat and nations
You mean PBoC vs. Fed? Care to elaborate?

4652  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2017, 11:04:21 PM
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31/07 Infofront Sad
01/08 Vin Sad
02/08 Steelboy Sad
03/08 D_eddie Sad
04/08 Bitserve
05/08 Bikerleszno
06/08 Last of the v8s
...

Who's going to be lucky mooooooon!!!

Ouch! Too early. I knew it.
It seems we're having a slow liftoff.
I think the lucky guy will have an initial B in his name Wink
4653  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2017, 09:25:35 PM
I don't think I can handle more ETF hype and then another "sorry, no"


The ETF is still mere speculation, but futures and options should be here "real soon now."
4654  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2017, 08:48:11 PM
Futures and options based on BTC coming soon. The SEC probably will change opinion on ETFs soonish.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-02/bitcoin-etf-approval-odds-are-way-analyst-says?page=1

I am confident this would cause an immediate surge in the USD price of BTC.

It's the longer term effects I am unsure of. Many say Wall Street will be able to manipulate the crypto market by naked shorting the stuff. I think an ETF backed by actual collateral can't. How about a clearing house for options and other derivatives?
4655  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 03, 2017, 08:01:22 PM
Calling 2850 tomorrow
I guess it's going to be higher than that. Likely an ATH.
4656  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 02, 2017, 06:13:41 PM
It currently stands at $460 BCH  / 2700 BTC at Kraken, and $720 BCH  /2700 BTC at Bitterx.   Such a high price is definitely unexpected.

Such a price isn't supported by any significant volume of trades. Only the lucky first will be able to profit from "free money". Free money can exist only for a short time, like virtual particles in quantum mechanics. Then conservation laws kick in without mercy. Give it time.
4657  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 02, 2017, 06:07:45 PM
Exchanges, on the other hand...


Lets say there is a miner underground movement to recompile the client with 8MB block limit.  They can do it, and they don't even have to tell anyone.   However, the first ones to do it are risking it, because their big blocks will probably not end up in the longest chain. 

However, if more than 50% do it, we get a hard fork, and small block miners are forced to switch.

And, believe me, exchanges would be first ones to switch, as they have most to lose.


Yes: if all miners switch, there's only one way things can go. However, if a minority stubbornly sticks to the old chain, we have 2 chains. The exchanges will probably list both coins and let the market do the rest. Which the market is doing right now. Let's give it some time.
4658  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 02, 2017, 06:05:06 PM
ETH splits = combined value lower than value before split

BTC splits = combined value higher than value before split


Combined value higher? Let's wait until transfers work almost normally. Let's plug the BTC price before the split into the equation. Let's recalculate. Higher still?

I'm not defending ETH shills, by the way. Only predicting red BCH candles given a sufficiently long time frame.
4659  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 02, 2017, 05:33:45 PM
As for actual value,  there is no other value other than somebody willing to buy them from you, and this is true for both BTC and BCH.

There is big difference! Everybody is willing to buy BTC. Only Ver and Wu are willing to buy BCH. Hope that clears your confusion.


It is also not a 0/1 matter of "will buy/won't buy". Price does matter.

I am not a BCH believer, but I would buy say, 1000 BCH for 0.01 BTC, just for the heck of it and the remote possibility of profiting off some future pump that might or might not happen. I wouldn't, on the other hand, buy BCH at the fake prices suggested by the exchanges that actually (say they) deal with BCH. I could sell some though, if it was actually possible (or easy).
4660  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 02, 2017, 05:21:41 PM
You are right. I expressed my thought sloppily.
"Half of the BTC value at the time of the split has been traded..."
Ultimately implying that the mere existence of a new chain does not mean there is actual value stored in it.


Lets say that 10 million BCH have been traded in the next week, and price ends up at $5.   At this point the selling pressure will stop, and it could be a good moment to buy.  After all, all those 10 million did find somebody interested in buying them.

As for actual value,  there is no other value other than somebody willing to buy them from you, and this is true for both BTC and BCH.

Exactly. Well said. By a 50/50 split, I meant the BCH price = BTC price (fiat-wise), or BTC:BCH=1:1.
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