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4721  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ◥◣ TALK◥◣ ★stake@15%★ Bitcointalk Community Coin ✪ BϾϾ ✪ on: January 03, 2016, 01:21:17 AM
cry report


not on the list
eth xrp dash
ruby clam xpy btcd
tek jbs dem digi xpm
ppc mec anon csc
hobo cap cbx ixc
4722  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [HVC] Heavycoin - Ultra-secure, Decentralized Block Reward Voting, Fast on: January 02, 2016, 01:02:49 PM
tell bit1 the Heavy ain't dead Wink
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1310325.new#new

1. has nodes
2. connected to XRP market  <<< value there as XRP sidechain
3. mature 'older' coin, early 2014 launch
4. antiASIC anyone can mine
5. rock bottom priced
6. listed on Cryptsy (for what's that worth?)

all depends on last point ... HVC maybe dies if bigVern absconds

plus added value
listed on Coinmarketcap and Cryptsy
http://heavyco.in/  (nice open source repo) ... this is a nice touch
and several pools are open

4723  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Open thread only to discuss some things before declaring dead to Heavycoin(HVC). on: January 02, 2016, 01:00:43 PM
1. has nodes
2. connected to XRP market  <<< value there as XRP sidechain
3. mature 'older' coin, early 2014 launch
4. antiASIC anyone can mine
5. rock bottom priced
6. listed on Cryptsy (for what's that worth?)

all depends on last point ... HVC maybe dies if bigVern absconds

plus added value
listed on Coinmarketcap and Cryptsy
http://heavyco.in/  (nice open source repo) ... this is a nice touch
and several pools are open
4724  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ◥◣ TALK◥◣ ★stake@15%★ Bitcointalk Community Coin ✪ BϾϾ ✪ on: January 02, 2016, 11:41:35 AM
thanks groggin!  remind me on the bounty amount ... too lazy to re-read the thread Wink

new to VNL and would have to agree "minimalism" is the way to describe it.
i think it is a little too geeky, but no need to have a more 'mainstream' wallet until it establishes a solid $2M.
WHY i like it "minimalism" it is very easy on sys resources (light weight) ... the blockchain (appox 0.99GB) downloaded very fast.
it will win a major share of the 'stakers'  get to that $2M and join the BIG COIN club ... that's where scale and zerotime thing is exciting ... that's rocket fuel to hit the ETH_DOGE levels! 

---------
random

c-cex has a hero account, per the rules guess he could have a fist full of TALK ... just needs to ask
Welcome! Wink
4725  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ◥◣ TALK◥◣ ★stake@15%★ Bitcointalk Community Coin ✪ BϾϾ ✪ on: January 02, 2016, 07:17:50 AM
GreenCoin goes POS
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=957976.0
4726  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin - A Tradeable Carbon Credit Ecosystem on: January 02, 2016, 07:16:40 AM
are you in contact with cryptopia to update also?

swap process? sorry if posted already but switching to POS is a pain in the #$#
4727  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: January 01, 2016, 06:05:35 PM
2016
in a word DOGE
it will happen
... just watch Wink

[secretly acting as the work dog for UNO .. atta boy!]
 Roll Eyes https://duckduckgo.com/?q=blue+top&t=ffsb&iax=1&ia=images



to all those who bought before 2016 may you someday be rich old men

4728  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🎊 HAPPY NEW YEAR 🎆 WANT SOME CIONZ!? 🍻 on: January 01, 2016, 07:29:06 AM
Reserved for the lolz.
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4729  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SLG] Sterlingcoin v1.5.1.1 | United Kindom | Bittrex-Bleutrade-Cryptopia on: January 01, 2016, 05:46:52 AM
2016 UK invasion into crypto Wink
4730  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ◥◣ TALK◥◣ ★stake@15%★ Bitcointalk Community Coin ✪ BϾϾ ✪ on: January 01, 2016, 04:46:02 AM
stakes project
top rated staking coins  //stage ONE.3334 // v4.123.01.01.16

PENDING EDITS

TALK RDD BUMBA WHIP INFLUX VNL DMD CBX ZEIT BEEZ tri truck cach sprout opal ok hal orb t3k apex pot pig
http://talk.explorer.bitnodes.net/


--POS--A grade

BLK : Rat4 is the coin dev, David is the Halo dev, Obsidian developer JP Richardson
(PoS 3.0 static) r=1.5 BLK + fees
http://blackcoin.co/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=469640.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=469640.0
https://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/ (mostly there)
https://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/comments/3cfvaa/static_pos_reward_is_coming/
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/blk/

RDD
https://www.reddcoin.com/
https://reddcointalk.org
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423597.msg9842337#msg9842337
http://live.reddcoin.com/

PP
http://peercoin.net/
https://www.peercointalk.org/
https://wiki.peercointalk.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
https://www.peerbox.me/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=793142.0
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ppc/

NOVA
https://novaco.in/
https://nvcbank.com/ (1.5% per 30 days) legit?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143221.0
https://explorer.novaco.in/

DMD
http://bit.diamonds/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580725.0
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dmd/

POT
http://www.potcoin.com/
http://www.potcoinjoint.com/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426324.0
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/pot/

XPY ... rebounding
https://xpy.io/
https://www.paycointalk.org
http://paycoinprice.com/
https://paycoin.asia/index/index.php
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/

CBX
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=951753.new#new

XMG  v1.2.2.1
http://coinmagi.org/
https://www.magipool.info/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=735170.0
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xmg/
https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/XMG_BTC
https://www.m-epays.com/
http://www.m-talk.org/
http://144.172.195.249:8080/magilotto/
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xmg/#!overview (5000+)

VNL

--alts--b grade

ruby ... it is red hot but too hot on HOLD until next buyin
http://www.rubycoin.org/ http://www.absolutebit.com/ (dice)

clam ... likely will see a dip below $1M
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.0
http://clamclient.com/ http://clamsight.com/ (stake = 1clam/block?)
http://khashier.com/chain/Clam

CBX
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=951753.new#new

NET --> (v 2.3.1)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745323.0
http://netcoinfoundation.org/  --- untrusted certs !
http://development.netcoinfoundation.org/
http://forum.netcoinfoundation.org/  

PnD --> (3.0.2.0)
Pnd https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1202623.0
http://digitalpandacoin.org/
http://dev.digitalpandacoin.org/
www.pandacoin.ml
Exchanges:
https://bleutrade.com/exchange/PND/BTC
https://yobit.net/en/trade/PND/BTC
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange
https://bx.in.th/BTC/PND/
Blockchain:
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/pnd/
Faucets:
https://cryptospout.com/faucet/PND.html
http://pnd.bleufaucet.com/
Links:
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/pandacoin-pnd/
https://twitter.com/PandacoinTeam

T3K  ---> 2.3.0.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320404.0
http://tekcoin.org
https://www.blockexperts.com/tek
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/TEK/index.php
http://tek.blockchain.lt/
https://twitter.com/TEKcoins
http://www.reddit.com/r/tekcoins

HYP   --->
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=678849.0
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/HYP/
https://hyp.crypocoinexplorer.com (dead)
Bittrex - HYP/BTC
Cryptsy - HYP/BTC
Poloniex - HYP/BTC
Poloniex - HYP/XMR
BX.in.th - HYP/BTC
Askcoin - HYP/BTC
Cryptopia - HYP/BTC
http://www.hyperstake.com
https://www.facebook.com/hyperstake
https://www.facebook.com/hyperstakeindonesia
http://www.reddit.com/r/hyperstake/
https://twitter.com/hyperstake

OK    ---> v3.0.0.0-core v3
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1028368.0
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/39002-ann-ok-ok-cryptocurrency-okcash-efficient-crypto-pos/
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ok/
http://www.okcash.co/
http://updates.okcash.co/
http://forum.okcash.co/
http://paperwallets.okcash.co/
http://okcash.explorer.rocks/
https://www.reddit.com/r/OKCash
https://voat.co/v/ok
https://twitter.com/OKCashCrypto
https://trello.com/b/kCwVr0C0/okcash-public-roadmap

PIG --- >
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=633803.0
http://bitcoingarden.tk/forum/index.php?topic=3672.0
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/piggy/    476M  
http://piggy-coin.com
http://piggyfacts.com/ (quiz faucet)
https://piggy-coin.com/PiggyCoinb.in/  (multi sig)
http://www.cryptoblox.com/faucets/PiggyCoin/
https://www.piggy-coin.com/piggycoin-educational-seed-fund/
https://www.piggy-coin.com/amillionreasons-youcanlearnanything-khanacademy/

NOB
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402667.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841741.msg12537741#msg12537741 (nobnxt) / dmds / kingscrown / ROFO
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/nobl/
https://www.noblemovement.com/
https://marketplace.noblemovement.com/  --no trust certs--

WC ---> V1.1.2.2 === 2%/90sec 300M
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=804288.0
http://whitecoin.info/
http://www.richlist.eu/whitecoin/
WhiteCoin Public Relations Team Leader - surfguy72@whitecoin.info

MIL ___ 376addresses/8connections
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006799.msg12532444#msg12532444
http://www.millenniumcoin.net/
https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_mil
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/mil/#

SLG
http://sterlingcoin.guru/

SILK
http://www.tsu.co/Silkcoin

FAIL
MICRo
fly

diem
https://poloniex.com/exchange#xmr_diem
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=588310.0

bumba
http://bumbacoin.blogspot.com.au/

COLos
https://www.colossuscoin.org/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=492392.0

CON
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=937480.0
http://payconnection.info/
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/paycon/
https://con.gethashing.com
http://blockexperts.com/con

APEX
SPRT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103868.0  https://blockexperts.com/sprt  www.sproutcoin.org
BITZ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=954125.0 ##btz
STV
ANAL=APRIL https://chainz.cryptoid.info/anal/#!crypto
APRIL http://www.digital-currency-world.com/2015/12/13/introducing-aprilcoin-xap/
APRIL http://www.digital-currency-world.com

SLG https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=721936.4340


--alts--c grade
http://www.sonic-coin.com/
http://ambercoin.info/ http://amber-trade.com/ambercoin/ http://ambercoin.info/
http://aboutshadow.com/
http://hobonickels.info/
http://hyperstake.com/
http://bitbaymarket.net/#
http://iocoin.io/
https://horizonplatform.io/
NET
FLY
FLT
XXX http://xxxcoin.co/
ARCH https://archcoin.co/
FUEL http://fuelcrypto.com/
FUEL https://thecryptostore.com/index.php
MINT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450381.0
MINT http://www.linuxmint.com/index.php
DOPE
MJ
CCN

--POS--d grade

gcr
CAPT http://explore.captcoin.com/  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683776.0
ERC https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=901605.0
TRON
CRAVE
ULTRA
ICE  http://icb.22web.org/?ckattempt=1  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715403.0

NKT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896354.0 http://nakamotodark.com/
GP http://goldpieces.net/
ice
sql
growth

--alts--f grade
ARCH
FUEL
FAIR
NUE ... massive premine on hold for at least 36 months to see if scam or legit


--alts--z grade
ruby https://chainz.cryptoid.info/rby/
veri https://chainz.cryptoid.info/vrc/  http://www.vericoin.info/
dmd https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dmd/
efl https://chainz.cryptoid.info/efl/
hyper https://chainz.cryptoid.info/hyper/  http://hypercrypto.com/
i/o https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ioc/
xpy https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xpy/
arch https://chainz.cryptoid.info/arch/
bay https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bay/
mint https://chainz.cryptoid.info/mint/
hyper https://chainz.cryptoid.info/hyper/  http://hypercrypto.com/
efl https://chainz.cryptoid.info/efl/
asia https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ac/
pnd https://chainz.cryptoid.info/pnd/
zeit https://chainz.cryptoid.info/zeit/
jbs https://chainz.cryptoid.info/jbs/
flt https://chainz.cryptoid.info/flt/
opal https://chainz.cryptoid.info/opal/
oc https://chainz.cryptoid.info/oc/
lxc https://chainz.cryptoid.info/lxc/
fibre https://chainz.cryptoid.info/fibre/
pink https://chainz.cryptoid.info/pink/
ccn https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ccn/  hanging 3hrs
gp https://chainz.cryptoid.info/gp/
ok https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ok/
pig https://chainz.cryptoid.info/piggy/
apex https://chainz.cryptoid.info/apex/ EXPIRED
tri https://chainz.cryptoid.info/tri/
silk https://chainz.cryptoid.info/silk/
mne https://chainz.cryptoid.info/mne/
gb https://chainz.cryptoid.info/gb/

http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/ADC/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CAP/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/CLAM/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/paycon/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/DMD/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/FLT/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/FLY/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/HYP/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/ldoge/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/mint/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/net/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/nbl/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/tek/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/trk/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/viral/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/xra/richlist.php
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/zeit/richlist.php

All 407924   POT 211,574,945 POT https://chainz.cryptoid.info/pot/#!rich
All 059552   J 1,909,170 J https://chainz.cryptoid.info/j/#!rich
All 033178   BLK 75,039,443 BC https://chainz.cryptoid.info/blk/#!rich
All 021989   GP 1,160,908 GP https://chainz.cryptoid.info/gp/#!rich
All 020914   MINT 22,173,833,600 MINT https://chainz.cryptoid.info/mint/#!rich
All 006634   FLT 274,840,551 FLT https://chainz.cryptoid.info/flt/#!rich
All 004474   DMD 1,331,225 DMD https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dmd/#!rich
All 002400   BCC 63M TALK
All 002390   BITB 979,859,000 https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bitb/#!rich
All 002118   SILK 43,653,590 https://chainz.cryptoid.info/silk/#!rich
All 001947   MIN 27,341,568 MIN https://chainz.cryptoid.info/min/#!rich
All 001605   RBY 22,309,988 RBY https://chainz.cryptoid.info/rby/#!rich
All 001281   BTZ 1,967,566 BITZ https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bitz/#!rich
All 001082   OK 57,272,131 OK https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ok/#!rich
All 000759   FEUL 100,621,013 FUEL https://chainz.cryptoid.info/fuel/#!rich
All 000855   BAY https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bay/#!rich
All 000676   JBS 3,461,776 JBS https://chainz.cryptoid.info/jbs/#!rich
All 000605   TRI 59,898 TRI https://chainz.cryptoid.info/tri/#!rich
All 000637   MARYJ 15,382,969 https://chainz.cryptoid.info/maryj/#!rich  XXXX
All 000502   ANAL 192,523 ANAL https://chainz.cryptoid.info/anal/#!rich  XXXX
All 000529   GB 21,554,641 GB https://chainz.cryptoid.info/gb/#!rich       XXXX
All 000376   MILL 946,555 MIL https://chainz.cryptoid.info/mil/#!rich
All 000269   FAIL 18,622,316 FAIL https://chainz.cryptoid.info/fail/#!rich
NOONOONOONOO https://chainz.cryptoid.info/noo/#!rich
4731  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ◥◣ TALK◥◣ ★stake@15%★ Bitcointalk Community Coin ✪ BϾϾ ✪ on: January 01, 2016, 04:20:20 AM
POS
zeit rates drop ... also mandatory wallet update?
FYI:
Now Less than 2 Days of the 20% Rate remaining.


ZEIT rate change to 15%.   Smiley
And ~ year from that , down to the final forever 5% rate.

4732  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ◥◣ TALK◥◣ ★stake@15%★ Bitcointalk Community Coin ✪ BϾϾ ✪ on: December 31, 2015, 04:53:59 PM
But about what happens to ALTs ... well the die off is hard and fast already ... if you don't have clue on the actually FLO of value already and are not currently positioned in the right flow channels then DINOSAUReX ... but by July? ... well the wise to the wisdom of events ahead are already wise to what happens NXT ... BTC will hit a high note then drop the BASS hard and low mos def ... so ALTs (still existent) are a safe harbor granted they know how to protect market cap in such situations.

YEAR 2015 signing off.

PUBLIC SIDE CHAINS (what is the year of 2016?)
4733  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What will happen to Altcoins on July 2016? on: December 31, 2015, 04:51:13 PM
But about what happens to ALTs ... well the die off is hard and fast already ... if you don't have clue on the actually FLO of value already and are not currently positioned in the right flow channels then DINOSAUReX ... but by July? ... well the wise to wisdom of events are already wise to what happens NXT ... BTC will hit a high note then drop the BASS hard and low mos def ... so ALTs (still existent) are a safe harbor granted they know how to protect market cap in such situations.

YEAR 2015 signing off.
4734  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What will happen to Altcoins on July 2016? on: December 31, 2015, 04:45:35 PM
War Boys Ride Chrom-Plated V8 sytle to Valhalla!
WITNESS!!!
4735  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] The Epic 420 Alliance Joint Force - United we stand! on: December 31, 2015, 03:46:48 PM
Could Potcoin use https://coinomi.com/AddingSupportForANewCurrency/ instead of the "potcoin.js" things as mobile wallet ?? Would that not be easier/cheapier ??

Yes! We currently have "IcePick" from the development team working on the Coinomi integration.  We are also working on a PotWallet mobile application which does not necessitate PotCoinJ.  PotCoinJ is needed for the completion of the stand-alone wallet which so far has been modelled after bitcoin's BreadWallet.

We are all anxiously awaiting a PotCoin mobile application.  If there is anyone who would like to assist with PotCoin Development please e-mail us at support@potcoin.com

 
4736  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ◥◣ TALK◥◣ ★stake@15%★ Bitcointalk Community Coin ✪ BϾϾ ✪ on: December 31, 2015, 03:44:19 PM
cool BITZ

-----------
What happens in a typical proof of stake system if a vast majority of the coins are burned?
POS difficulty goes down, nothing more.
Same as if vast majority was not staking.

IW

pm your TALK addie IW Wink
4737  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto_2.0 /{ data }/ on: December 31, 2015, 01:06:09 PM
stellar assets

STELLAR == (even the Thai Exchange that milked it on launch is dropping it)
https://stellartalk.org/topic/7282-urgent-remove-your-stellar-from-bxinth  (shut down 2016)
https://www.stellar.org/
https://www.reddit.com/r/stellar
http://www.meetup.com/Stellar-SF/
https://stellar.uservoice.com/forums/278407-stellar-ideas
https://stellar.uservoice.com/forums/278407-stellar-ideas
https://github.com/stellar/
https://stellartalk.org/
http://jedmccaleb.com [founder]
LIGHTNING http://jedmccaleb.com/blog/bitcoin-lightning-stellar/





https://xnftrading.com/#!/
4738  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Noteable altcoins? on: December 31, 2015, 10:11:55 AM
UNO could be put on enterAbyss's list Notable and sidechain worthy are not the same, some notable firsts LIST.
First to mine 80% on an alt next work, then fork to Merge Mining on the big bad Hash network of bitcoin ... ie ... solid and fair distro then flip to solid security.  And now is a trade pair with null inflation, second if you include XRP as the first of that type.

P.S. ETHlightclone and BBQ are wise to invest in.
4739  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best Altcoin to invest in for 2016 and WHY on: December 31, 2015, 05:42:21 AM
mutha Truckin! Down with TRUCK 2016.
listen lil'doge
my TRK coins bought me my new WHIPs
while eatin my ASIC BBQ back ribs!
PIGGie whooo wheeeew
hits form the BONGger bongs
listening to hits from SONG by FUNK on my AUDIO playyer!
boost YA! 
4740  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Tigercoin - TGC | SHA256 with Super Random Blocks | Please Upgrade to V1.1 on: December 31, 2015, 05:33:53 AM
need to jail break it out of CRYptsy.
market is stagnant cuz wallet locked.
Getting them to install is impossible they're busy shopping for lawyers or finding overseas locales to hide out in.

So need a market, ASAP!
Willing to OTC?  Might be a meantime solution.
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