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4741  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 11, 2017, 11:14:16 AM
http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idINKBN14V16X

China's central bank launches spot checks on bitcoin exchanges
4742  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 08, 2017, 07:12:40 PM
.... Und EC Abrechnungsskandal gleich in der Tagesschau eben hinterher, leider ohne den logischen Hinweis auf bitcoin vom Weltspiegel davor.

Ja, GPU Mining hat mich auch irritiert. Mach das Genesis Mining auch?
4743  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 08, 2017, 07:00:48 PM

Gut das man Island als Beispiel genommen hat und nicht (wie meistens) China.

1 Mio EUR strom pro Monat !!
4744  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 08, 2017, 06:43:41 PM
Sehe gerade Weltspiegel im ARD.... Kommt gleich was über bitcoin!
Danke hab angemacht. Weltspiegel. Bitcoins - das Geld der Zukunft?


Kommen wohl erst alle use cases vorher....
 Grin
4745  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 08, 2017, 06:33:46 PM
Sehe gerade Weltspiegel im ARD.... Kommt gleich was über bitcoin!
4746  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 06, 2017, 07:47:43 AM
Oha, nach 5 min penn kommt der bitcoin


https://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/video/video-247021.html


 Shocked


Und nun muss der Gucker nur noch 1 und 1 zusammenzählen, denn wie war das nochmal mit der Langfristanlage z. B. DAX ? Da wird doch das risk kleiner ? Und Schuld is ja eigentlich immer der Deutsche (Sparer)!
4747  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 05, 2017, 07:00:55 AM
8888 CNY , das ist die Glückszahl in China. Dort ist Verschnaufpause....

interessant, ist das so? warum sollte ich bei Glück verschnaufen? bringt doch Glück

2008 fing alles an....


https://www.welt.de/welt_print/article2284784/Warum-die-Zahl-Acht-fuer-Chinesen-so-wertvoll-ist.html


Komisch gell?

ja aber  wenn 8888 Glück bringt, dann steig ich doch richitg ein, das wäre meine Logik, auch wenn ich nicht an 8888 oder 777 glaube

ATH bei OKCoin is exakt 8888
4748  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 05, 2017, 12:12:55 AM
8888 CNY , das ist die Glückszahl in China. Dort ist Verschnaufpause....

interessant, ist das so? warum sollte ich bei Glück verschnaufen? bringt doch Glück

2008 fing alles an....


https://www.welt.de/welt_print/article2284784/Warum-die-Zahl-Acht-fuer-Chinesen-so-wertvoll-ist.html


Komisch gell?
4749  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 04, 2017, 11:44:53 PM
8888 CNY , das ist die Glückszahl in China. Dort ist Verschnaufpause....
4750  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 03, 2017, 09:30:31 PM
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und bei 266 US$ wieder volles Kanonenrohr einzusteigen
Tja aber leider sowas werden wir nicht mehr erleben... und vielleicht Gut so  Cheesy

Laut Financial Times geht BTC auf Null  Grin 

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:5W65EC5NydYJ:https://www.ft.com/content/b5d66ed8-d1b3-11e6-b06b-680c49b4b4c0+&cd=1&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de

Ich versteh hier, der is noch bei null, eigentlich unter  der normalen FT Wahrnehmungsgrenze. Man fragt sich eigentlich eher, warum dann der Artikel? Is da jmd doch unsicher mit der platten Rundung auf null?

 Grin
4751  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: NOT Upgrading to SegWit who's with me?! on: January 03, 2017, 10:58:39 AM
Can you put a number to your brains? And BS payed brains will condense down to 1 here!
Why do you think so much Keynsian and try to regulate things ?

If you don't want rules and regulations, you've been using the wrong system. Bitcoin cannot operate without rules, enforcing scarcity or the property rights of the holders would be impossible without rules.

And while Bitcoin is peer 2 peer when sending transactions, it is the underlying rules that make that possible. Having multiple sets of rules would not create any kind of a stable system, and hence a currency with multiple sets of rules cannot have a stable market price.

And you clearly don't understand Austrian Economics either. You have a lot of reading to do.

Good stuff - reading, yes it is. And thank you you are doing it and even writing back. Not from all we can say this!  I m sure we can agree on the minimal rule set needed.

Next level is implementing and understanding and recursive learnig and fixing things. Since this is mostly complex and nobody really can get all things right, we must have to agree on simplicity first -> minimal rule set.

1MB limit drops out here.... Try it out (maybe recursively ) and we will ALL learn and shake hands later.
4752  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: NOT Upgrading to SegWit who's with me?! on: January 03, 2017, 09:07:44 AM
lol solution to sighash scaling is simple.

limit how many sigops a tx can do. no single person needs to ever produce a tx with 80,000 sigops or 20,000 or even 1000..

afterall a LN tx is just a 2in 2out transaction, so thinking that the quadratic/linear doomsday impacts LN is false

also LN requires 2 signatures so one party would refuse to sign if they see another party is doing something funky to a tx. so a tx wont even be accepted with only one signature. so that keeps both parties in a 'mutually assured destruction/mutual agreement to benefit' paradigm to not have issues with malleability.

but core devs have forgot how to make code rules. and have put their banker hats on and decided 'market' rules are better.
such as
not making DDoS protection code for LN, but instead give penalty fee's to hub 'customers' if they dont do things a certain way.
not have the onchain tx fee reactive to actual demand of blockspace, but averaged biasedly in an ever increasing amount over x blocks.

And now think of the case LN or similar side chain channels might attract high volumes and people in some years, onchain tx fees are getting extreme high for individuals, so miners are given great attack vector DDoSing LN. Where should all these needed tx go through? Into the 1MB ?

Never ever concentrate such scalings into to big too fail solutions!
4753  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: NOT Upgrading to SegWit who's with me?! on: January 03, 2017, 07:23:00 AM
Mm , can't find

Step 0:  Fixing scalability ( by simplifying code e.g. drop the line that has the 1MB ) that would be most recommended and the nobrainer all could agree on.


 Huh


Then why do all the brains in the heads of the development community disagree fundamentally with that approach? Because of the sighashing scaling problem, the solution to which is a part of the Segwit fork.

Bigger blocks using the present sighashing code can increase the time it takes to compute signature hashes by an unsustainable factor, even 1MB blocks with complex chains of transactions can take a worryingly long amount of time to validate. This presents an unacceptable network coherence risk without increasing the base blocksize.


And that's not even considering the threat to decentralisation of Bitcoin nodes. The current price spike has buoyed the node count, but it's not much of an improvement. The base size should be increased, but not before the trend in the node count is improving consistently. Confidence in the Bitcoin network depends in part on how widely distributed the nodes are. With the trends the way they are now, there is too much of a risk that the node count would slump, and that would harm confidence in the currency itself, i.e. the market price that everyone gets so excited about

Can you put a number to your brains? And BS payed brains will condense down to 1 here!
Why do you think so much Keynsian and try to regulate things ?

Better and Bitcoiner is to think Austrian: Remove rules as much as possible, project the bitcoin protocol to its absolute minimum and let the market participants decide what they could provide. Now you ll get an infinite number of brains connected and the thing gets anti-fragile!

Stupid rules are for brainless ones.
4754  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: NOT Upgrading to SegWit who's with me?! on: January 02, 2017, 09:25:26 PM
Mm , can't find

Step 0:  Fixing scalability ( by simplifying code e.g. drop the line that has the 1MB ) that would be most recommended and the nobrainer all could agree on.


 Huh
4755  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: NOT Upgrading to SegWit who's with me?! on: January 02, 2017, 03:56:27 PM
Segwit's been out now, what, six weeks?  And still 70% of block solvers are voting to keep block size at 1MB.  

What  a revelation.



they will be forced at some point to go with the 2MB hard fork, we can't remain forever at 1MB this is a 100% sure thing

i want to ask what is the exact reason why miners are aginst segwit now?

Hard fork with larger blocksize can be done without segwit, segwit is not needed at all to go to a larger blocksize.
(That is the myth spread by BTC core.)

Segwit will allow LN, to run Offchain Transactions, with more control over onchain transactions placement.
Miners will not receive any transaction fees for Offchain Transactions.

LN with Segwit, will probably give LN the ability to actually choose which block their very few onchain transactions is included in,
meaning they would be able to cut the Chinese miners completely out of all fees from LN.
(LN onchain Transactions will be only included in one of their 30% controlled BTC miner's Blocks.)

LN without segwit will not have that capability, which leaves the Chinese Miners in control of which block includes a transaction.
Segwit is a Power Grab by BTC core to control the transaction fees, nothing more nothing less.

 Cool

BTC core is in the driver seat and have done lots of good things and now they look failing to provide such a nobrainer solution everybody must accept.

This might be the issue of a king loosing the ground after winning endless battles.

They are on own logics now and spread fear for the hardfork of the blockchain, code and bitcoin but this has lead to the even worse hardfork in the community.

Who can fix that and how?
4756  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 02, 2017, 03:40:32 PM
main stream medien immer noch nicht aufgewacht zum thema bitcoin. trotz € ATH kaskade,

€ ATH kein Thema weil uninteressant.

Für uns sind Euro wichtig, außerhalb unseres Horizontes zählt jedoch der Yuan oder/und auf alle Fälle der US$. Dort werden die ATH gefeiert wenn wir sie erreichen.
Der EUR übersteht doch eh Italien nicht, die werden die nächsten Monate schon im geheimen versuchen Notfallpläne auszuarbeiten. Der EUR geht schneller Richtung Atlantis als England was ja immer noch nicht auf den Atlantik getrieben ist trotz der ganzen Warnungen  Grin Für mich ist der EUR schon abgehakt und nur noch zwangläufig zu benutzen weil oftmals nichts anderes geht.


Jo, sieht so aus und zwar ziemlich ausgeMerkelt...
4757  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 02, 2017, 07:26:10 AM
$3K per BTC by end of 2017 or bust.... Sad

I thought it was $3200 as decreed by that ancient oracle "adamstgBit" who has passed on to another realm.

So is it written. Verily it shall come to pass.


Lets first reach 2017 $  in 2017.


 Grin
4758  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 01, 2017, 10:19:06 PM
Die Art und Weise wie auf Bitstamp der Preis steigt ist aber ziemlich seltsam:

Staendig werden 0.56174 BTCs gekauft. Im Sekundentakt.

Mir solls recht sein. Aber trotzdem seltsam.


Ist vielleicht der Vontobel, der seinen BTC Tracker hedgen muss...

Und was ist das hier?


https://www.bitcoinnews.ch/5013/kinofilm-banking-on-bitcoin/
4759  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 01, 2017, 07:14:34 PM

Next Stop  :   2017 $ !!
4760  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: January 01, 2017, 12:24:36 PM
Frohes neues!

Was haltet ihr eigentlich von dem 50000$-Limit in China:

https://www.quora.com/I-understand-theres-a-USD-50-000-limit-per-year-on-Chinese-citizens-sending-money-abroad-or-have-I-got-it-wrong-My-wife-is-Chinese-and-wed-like-to-send-some-money-back-to-my-country-and-its-more-than-USD-50-000-How-do-we-do-it-legally

Wird bzw. kann das Auswirkungen haben auf den Kurs? Insbesondere, da ja nun einen neues Jahr beginnt. Und ich meine mich zu erinnern, dass das Limit jeweils vom 1.1. eines Jahres gilt. Lasse mich aber gerne berichtigen.

Gilt doch nur für USD (UnendlichSchuldenDahinter). Nicht für blockchain Einträge....


 Grin
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