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4961  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hardfork = Mitosis on: July 18, 2016, 07:25:15 PM
A hard fork can be seen as a phase separation like a liquid turns into a gas on heating up.

if a decent intensive variable is reached the status change is immediate and no liquid is left in a sudden.

For a soft fork there can be spots left in different stati - It is a mess!
4962  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Blocksize Debate & Concerns on: July 17, 2016, 06:57:13 AM
Maintaining security and Bitcoin’s long-term store of value is achieved by ensuring that miners receive available transaction fees for the confirmations they make, as opposed to off-chain solutions where miners will see a vast slice of their fee revenue siphoned away to 3rd-party service providers.

Yep, this argument has been frequently put forward before, but it never seems to sink in.  I can't seem to quote two of them normally as the thread is now locked, but:

It (lightning) will certainly help with scaling in the short term, but over longer periods, the real question becomes what percentage of transaction fees are skimmed off the top and don't end up going to the miners securing the main chain?  It could potentially hit miners hard later down the line if we don't strike the balance right.  Too much traffic on the main chain is bad, but too much off-chain could be equally precarious.

So yeah, you're right in that it (liquid) helps increase liquidity, but at the same time, it's allowing exchanges to move large volumes of funds around while minimising contact with the main chain.  Your vision of the future is that traditional financial institutions and big business will settle on the main chain and pay big fees to miners, but if they see exchanges doing it off-chain and still maintaining a high level of security whilst paying less in the process, why wouldn't other industries follow suit in a similar manner?

Would be somewhat ironic if most big businesses jumped on sidechains and you had to start begging people to put their cups of coffee on the blockchain just so the miners get a bit of income.  Tongue

Future growth will happen on layer 2 services in exchanges and third party services who will charge fees. these service fees will bypass miners and as the Bitcoin security subsidy halves every 4 years we know miners will get less and less revenue.

Absolutely.  I've argued before that the smallblock militants suck at math and logic and I'm still yet to hear a counter argument from them that makes a shred of sense.  Either we get more users paying fees to the miners, or the fees have to rise.  Diverting fees to third parties makes it even worse.

We can't put all our eggs in the off-chain basket.  There will be consequences if miners don't see sufficient ROI.


In a really open system, where there is no limits - except the 21Mio - it would be all up to the game theory and on + off chain scaling projects and groups would deliver a very nice solution in a fair competition.
What we now have is still BSLaudations....
Once the Chinese will understand this soon, they could / should open up the system by own codings.
4963  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Blocksize Debate & Concerns on: July 16, 2016, 06:47:33 AM
Look at this. i d support that one

https://medium.com/@solex1/time-for-bitcoin-1-x-17b54eed2c4a#.q7x1x44r0
4964  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Scaling Bitcoin with Subchains on: July 16, 2016, 06:40:57 AM
I d say we need all types of scaling as long as they are really secure!

https://medium.com/@solex1/time-for-bitcoin-1-x-17b54eed2c4a#.q7x1x44r0
4965  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is the price of bitcoin important? on: July 15, 2016, 07:41:41 PM
Trx fees and unlimited block sizes are more important....
4966  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Proposal: Transaction-Directed Acyclic Graphs on: July 14, 2016, 07:43:31 PM
Looks like Bob McElrath has similar work here and starts a test coin:


https://github.com/mcelrath/braidcoin

 Double spending issue should be eliminated by sharing the reward and evaluating the parent blocks properly.
4967  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: July 04, 2016, 04:59:59 PM

Die Geister, die ich rief....
4968  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: The DEX (Decentralized Exchange) Thread on: July 04, 2016, 04:53:51 PM
Has anybody considered creating a SWAPCHAIN-BLOCKCHAIN ?

Blockchain combined with

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_Chain

Would that work?

 Huh
4969  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: ETH GETTING DUMPED HARD!!!! on: July 04, 2016, 04:38:42 PM
Etherium price is dropping but it would be good for us and for those who were not able to buy a cheap price, in the next few days it will surprise us again when it will hit again to 0.02 and over.


0.02 $.


I cannot see a rebounce, really.
4970  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: July 04, 2016, 02:30:10 PM
http://www.handelszeitung.ch/invest/boerse/vontobel-ermoeglicht-investitionen-bitcoins-1133235
4971  Economy / Speculation / Re: Winklevoss ETF on: July 03, 2016, 09:04:36 PM
Swiss could be quicker

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535583.0
4972  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Turing completeness and state for smart contract on: July 03, 2016, 02:31:32 PM
Ethereum and Bitcoin are heavily flawed in their own ways. Maybe even being polar opposites. Smart contracts aren't the best use for hashing power, but it's a good start.

With the clear difference is that the attack universe of the first is more Turing complete.

 Smiley
4973  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2016-07-03] Swiss Bank Vontobel goes Bitcoin !!! on: July 03, 2016, 02:16:33 PM
Can you explain in one paragraph what you are about?TL;TR


Only try to early inform about a new Bitcoin tracker released by a Swiss Bank.

Will be in the bigger press soon once they spot it.
4974  Economy / Speculation / Re: 1 bitcoin = 200k dollars on: July 03, 2016, 01:33:57 PM
I think its impossible to happen but if bitcoin will be still exist in the future we are too old and we are no care about bitcoin in that time.. but maybe it will happen .. for now we have a goal that the price will reach in 1k value..

Yes, $1k is our primary goal to achieve and that may be achieved at the time of halving, but $200k will not be achieved at any stage as its unrealistic value to dream off.

$1000 is a more than realistic price target. reaching $200,000 indeed isn't. it's actually quite pointless to even think about such prices. people should focus more on realistic things instead of living in a fantasy world.

I said it before but I will say it again:
Quote
Gold is as of this moment almost 8 Trillion market cap, imho Bitcoin is superior to Gold so with that in mind I see the near future market cap at least at the same level or higher.

Btw. 8 Trillion market cap means 1 BTC is worth ~ 381 000 USD (8Trillion / 21 million Bitcoins)

I think 8 trillion would be way more than 381.000.. marketcap is not simply dividing the 8 trillion for the total amount of coins. First of all 21 million coins will not be mined until 2140, there are more than 1 million coins lost forever the supply is even more scarce etc.. so it's WAY more than 381.000 for 8 trilli marketcap.

Swiss bankers might have found out just the same:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535583.0
4975  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: bitcoin, welche WKN???? on: July 03, 2016, 01:18:20 PM

Nein ist es nicht.

Bitcoins selber werden nie eine WKN/ISIN Nummer haben.

Das ist einfach ein Derivat ohne Lieferpflicht! Wer sich mit Bitcoin beschäftigt hat, sollte wissen was "ohne Lieferpflicht" letztendlich bedeutet.


Korrekt, aber für den ersten hiesigen ETF (Tracker) war das gemeint

 Wink
4976  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: bitcoin, welche WKN???? on: July 03, 2016, 01:09:51 PM
.... Da ist sie...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535721.0

Valor 32760611

ISIN CH0327606114

Symbol ZXBTUV
4977  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: July 03, 2016, 12:58:21 PM

Text dazu

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535721.new#new
4978  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2016-07-03] Swiss Bank Vontobel goes Bitcoin !!! on: July 03, 2016, 12:55:24 PM
Disclaimer says that the release still depends on if Bitcoin is allowed to be used as a regular underlying.

Check your German

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535721.new#new
4979  Local / Presse / Re: [2016-07-03] Schweizer Bank Vontobel legt Bitcoin Tracker auf on: July 03, 2016, 12:51:42 PM
Themeninvestments
Vontobel – erster Schweizer Anbieter eines Bitcoin-Zertifikates
Freitag, 1. Juli 2016
Als erster Schweizer Emittent legt Vontobel heute ein Tracker-Zertifikat auf Bitcoin zur Zeichnung auf. Investoren in der Schweiz können nun erstmalig an der Wertentwicklung von Bitcoin teilhaben.

Bei dem VONCERT auf Bitcoin in US-Dollar handelt es sich um ein klassisches Tracker-Zertifikat (SVSP: 1300), das Anlegern einen einfachen Investmentzugang zu Bitcoin ermöglicht. Investoren in der Schweiz haben so erstmalig die Möglichkeit, mittels eines Anlagezertifikates an der Entwicklung des Bitcoin-Kurses in US-Dollar (nahezu 1:1 an dessen Gewinnen, aber auch Verlusten) zu partizipieren. Um von einem möglichen positiven Bitcoin-Kursverlauf profitieren zu können, müssen Anleger dank des Zertifikates folglich keine Bitcoins selbst halten.
Für das Zertifikat mit zweijähriger Laufzeit wurde eine Zulassung an der Schweizer Börse beantragt. Diese steht unter dem Vorbehalt der Zulassung von Bitcoin als Basiswert. Der erste Handelstag ist der 15. Juli 2016, und die Schlussfixierung erfolgt am 16. Juli 2018. Dazwischen können Investoren das VONCERT im Sekundärmarkt handeln, also zum jeweils herrschenden Geld-/Briefkurs kaufen oder verkaufen.
 
Bitcoin als Beimischung

Das VONCERT auf Bitcoin könnte sich als «neue Anlageklasse» auch für die Beimischung in traditionellen Portfolios eignen. Mehr über beispielsweise die historisch geringe Korrelation des Basiswertes Bitcoin mit anderen Anlageklassen lesen Sie nächste Woche im derinews-Blog.
Gehen Sie als Investor davon aus, dass sich der Bitcoin-Kurs im Zeitraum der nächsten beiden Jahre weiter positiv entwickelt, könnte das VONCERT auf Bitcoin für Sie spannende Anlagechancen bieten. An dieser Stelle möchten wir jedoch auf den Bericht des Bundesrates zu virtuellen Währungen vom 25. Juni 2014 hinweisen: Für die Nutzer von Bitcoins (und damit indirekt auch für Anleger des VONCERTs auf Bitcoin ) bestehen erhöhte Betrugs- und Verlustrisiken, die es im Falle einer Anlage zu bedenken gilt.
 
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VONCERTS
Symbol   Valor       Basiswert   Verfall   Whg.   Zeichnungs-
schluss   
ZXBTUV   32760611      Bitcoin   16.07.2018   USD   14.07.2016   
 
4980  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: July 03, 2016, 09:45:43 AM

pünktlich nach abpfiff

war aber auch echt spannend. so viele verschossene elfer hab ich ja noch nie gesehen.

soviele beinahe-Herzinfarkte!

Nur russisches Roulette ist nervenaufreibender.


Und die scaling Debatte....
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