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501  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 01:03:20 PM
Periodic reminder about this realr0ach person:
You may be skimming through some of his stuff and thinking 'oh this part makes sense, he has a point there'.
Just be advised there is not one original thought being expressed here; it has all been discussed, agreed and even acted upon by OG bitcoiners. They put it all much better, and without the divisive nonsense he advocates.
I make no claim to originality myself, and I can only advise the reader to read around to find out what is real and what is likely to happen.
Oh in my mind I have very little doubt that, while we'll have some serious problems to face, life as a whole will get much better for everyone who deserves it. But as I've said earlier, I argue for points I don't believe in sometimes as an exercise. Similarly I talk to people whose position I almost surely won't share to draw out questions I won't ask myself otherwise.


Here is what I see happening. We will relatively soon get to a point where people will be able to create their vision at will (at first digitally only), and value will be derived based on how capable a person is to create an experience of interest to others. Some will choose to just consume in our world of abundance and do nothing else (enjoy the show). Others will choose to compete in creating the most interesting experiences of all kind, or just do it because they enjoy the creative process.
Given the current trajectory and all the developments I've been following in science and tech I have almost no doubt that we're heading into at least a quasi-utopia. The only potential cockblock I see to this is an asteroid or some other natural disaster that would wipe humanity out entirely or somehow wipe out all of our knowledge. There will still be people complaining and conspiracy crafting, but that's just the fundamental nature of being at play, and not an actual issue. Matter tries to bond in all possible permutations, some are stable, some aren't. Some like each other and compound, some don't. Humans are just an extension of this.

On the path to that there will be a gap between people who choose to stay within virtual realities, and others who will be trying to avoid those or otherwise create the technology necessary to have the same level of freedom VR will offer in the physical world.

And once we get bored of all that we'll realize that we've been there before and hit the reset button. Then the whole debacle will start over with results differing in appearance but not in fundamental quality.
502  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 12:50:47 PM
As is, I can just fly over to Japan when shit hits the fan here

Lol.  If you're a random white guy you need to be really naive to think traveling to a highly homogeneous, ethnocentric Asian country is going to somehow be a cure for your problems should the world go south.  In the current day of 2019, you would be far more likely to have both your assets or your life seized as a white guy in China or Japan in a SHTF scenario than an Asian person in America.
I lived in Japan for some years already some time ago. Had no issue connecting with younger Japanese people, mostly gamers. Saw some of them pretty much every day at the arcade, had lunch and dinner with them, traveled with them, etc. Perfectly normal relationships I'd have with people here as well, except that they're into alcohol, while I prefer the herb which is a big no-no in Japan.

China is not Japan though. I'd never set foot in there for anything other than travel.

If you have any better options I'd be willing to hear by the way. I'm not sure what the best destination for a doomsday scenario would be, but so far this seems like the most sensible choice given my individual situation.

All you really need to know is that in the old days, civilizations cropped up exclusively by the sea or other major waterways.  A lot of that is because if the land crops fail or somehow become unavailable, civilization can continue without everyone dying.  Ideally you would want to be as far from major cities as possible and near the water, possibly on an island.  

When the Jews pull their 9/11 demolition of this economic system you're not going to be able to travel anywhere, so you better get there before it happens.  All the ATMs and other crap will probably be frozen, you probably won't be able to even buy gas, and bitcoin will be 100% useless.  It will be strictly physical cash, coins, and physical metals (if the paper cash still has any value).  It's not really possible for the value of many of the coins like nickels and pennies to decrease, though.  It costs like 8 cents to create a nickel and 1.8 cents to create a penny, I think, so all that stuff will still be around.
They would have to destroy the Bitcoin satellites to break that means of exchange. Which is much more difficult to do than disabling bank accounts. I also don't think that any human force in the world, which wouldn't outright wipe out humanity, would be capable of disabling all means of travel, trade etc. There is too much to lose on an individual basis to allow any significant global scale catastrophe. As such, I see any doomsday scenarios as heavily localized with individual countries remaining unfazed.

As far as localizing near water, Japan seems pretty much perfect for that. And since they don't allow Muslims, or any foreigners, to mass-immigrate most of the Western problems don't hold there. One could argue that a mass exodus from the West to Asia could become a problem. But unless they start nuking the country those problems can be solved with money. Or with a hermit lifestyle somewhere in the middle of the nowhere of Japan.

I'm not sure how you don't understand the cities turn into cannibalistic warzones soon as the just in time delivery economy fails.  You also don't seem to understand there are ENORMOUS problems in the oil industry where you will probably see extreme shortages and/or prices in the near future as well.  I think you need $100+ a barrel oil just for exploration to be viable at all.  The industry hasn't even been looking for replacements for the stuff we're using in a LONG TIME.  Much of the problems coming are going to be based in the oil sector.  Probably why Trump is trying to invade Venezeula and steal theirs.
Who cares about oil when you have nuclear power to fuel electric motors? There are solutions to those problems. You just need some space and resources. Things might not be pretty, but Japan still seems like a decent bet if full-blown civil war broke out in the West (which I doubt will happen).

Nuclear power plants can also be made vastly more efficient than they are now. The tech used in current ones is the same that was used to nuke places and people and not optimized for usable energy output.
503  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 12:30:38 PM
Hot take on the NZ shooting by an Australian Senator.

FWIW, I am of the opinion Islam is fundamentally incompatible with Western values.


Has there been a massive MSM outrage yet? Against the letter?
504  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 12:26:55 PM
As is, I can just fly over to Japan when shit hits the fan here

Lol.  If you're a random white guy you need to be really naive to think traveling to a highly homogeneous, ethnocentric Asian country is going to somehow be a cure for your problems should the world go south.  In the current day of 2019, you would be far more likely to have both your assets or your life seized as a white guy in China or Japan in a SHTF scenario than an Asian person in America.
I lived in Japan for some years already some time ago. Had no issue connecting with younger Japanese people, mostly gamers. Saw some of them pretty much every day at the arcade, had lunch and dinner with them, traveled with them, etc. Perfectly normal relationships I'd have with people here as well, except that they're into alcohol, while I prefer the herb which is a big no-no in Japan.

China is not Japan though. I'd never set foot in there for anything other than travel.

If you have any better options I'd be willing to hear by the way. I'm not sure what the best destination for a doomsday scenario would be, but so far this seems like the most sensible choice given my individual situation.

All you really need to know is that in the old days, civilizations cropped up exclusively by the sea or other major waterways.  A lot of that is because if the land crops fail or somehow become unavailable, civilization can continue without everyone dying.  Ideally you would want to be as far from major cities as possible and near the water, possibly on an island.  

When the Jews pull their 9/11 demolition of this economic system you're not going to be able to travel anywhere, so you better get there before it happens.  All the ATMs and other crap will probably be frozen, you probably won't be able to even buy gas, and bitcoin will be 100% useless.  It will be strictly physical cash, coins, and physical metals (if the paper cash still has any value).  It's not really possible for the value of many of the coins like nickels and pennies to decrease, though.  It costs like 8 cents to create a nickel and 1.8 cents to create a penny, I think, so all that stuff will still be around.
They would have to destroy the Bitcoin satellites to break that means of exchange. Which is much more difficult to do than disabling bank accounts. I also don't think that any human force in the world, which wouldn't outright wipe out humanity, would be capable of disabling all means of travel, trade etc. There is too much to lose on an individual basis to allow any significant global scale catastrophe. As such, I see any doomsday scenarios as heavily localized with individual countries remaining unfazed.

As far as localizing near water, Japan seems pretty much perfect for that. And since they don't allow Muslims, or any foreigners, to mass-immigrate most of the Western problems don't hold there. One could argue that a mass exodus from the West to Asia could become a problem. But unless they start nuking the country those problems can be solved with money. Or with a hermit lifestyle somewhere in the middle of the nowhere of Japan.
505  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 12:12:57 PM
As is, I can just fly over to Japan when shit hits the fan here

Lol.  If you're a random white guy you need to be really naive to think traveling to a highly homogeneous, ethnocentric Asian country is going to somehow be a cure for your problems should the world go south.  In the current day of 2019, you would be far more likely to have both your assets or your life seized as a white guy in China or Japan in a SHTF scenario than an Asian person in America.
I lived in Japan for some years already some time ago. Had no issue connecting with younger Japanese people, mostly gamers. Saw some of them pretty much every day at the arcade, had lunch and dinner with them, traveled with them, etc. Perfectly normal relationships I'd have with people here as well, except that they're into alcohol, while I prefer the herb which is a big no-no in Japan.

China is not Japan though. I'd never set foot in there for anything other than travel.

If you have any better options I'd be willing to hear by the way. I'm not sure what the best destination for a doomsday scenario would be, but so far this seems like the most sensible choice given my individual situation.
506  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 12:01:44 PM
Tl;dr questionnaires are shitty ways to collect data.

The questionnaire seemed to have been valid because if I take a ritalin or adderal as a non-ADHD person it's going to make me wide awake for like 8 hours.  So in order for it to make you fall asleep, you really do have some sort of ADHD.
That's what I've eventually learned as well. But my point was that I chose the answers required to get the diagnosis and prescription. And I didn't have to technically lie about things, because depending on the interpretation of the questions I could explain either answer with my true beliefs. It just happened to be accurate, which I originally didn't believe.

Edit: If I take stupid amounts of Ritalin I get wired as well though.
507  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 11:59:31 AM
^I edited my post to add more information.  "Anarchists" were clearly used as useful idiots in Russia in order to destabilize the existing order and bring in Jewish communism.  Libertardians will serve the exact same role as they did anywhere you go.  You do not seem to comprehend the human organizational structure is:

Individual > family > tribe > village > city state based on the same ethnicity

The 'nation' is an entirely ethnic construct.  Without a homogeneous population or ethnocentric majority, a nation does NOT exist.
I agree with your hierarchy here.

But I don't see why the issues you mention are relevant on an individual basis. Individuals come first, and the environment is too hostile they can find ways to have their way within it or move to a new environment that allows them to live their life and pursue their goals freely. With an authoritarian government one has to worry about government overreach. With Soros one can just play their life out as it were. There will always be people with different objectives obstructing their path, but Soros is a much lesser evil than any authoritarian government could potentially be. At least on an individual basis.

George Soros IS an authoritarian government.  It's called international Talmudic Jewry.  Do you actually believe he sets up fake NGOs in nations all across the globe in order to try and destabilize them by importing infinite 3rd world Nigerians by himself?Huh?  Italy, Russia, UK, etc; you really believe he single handedly navigates around Italian and Russian mafias circumventing all their power structures as a single outsider?  The routes are media, banks, UN, IMF, World Bank, CFR, etc.  Just because they don't wave an easily identifiable flag around when they destroy your nation doesn't mean they don't exist.  

The worst is the complete idiots like Beto O'Rourke and Justin Trudeau who pretend they're on some type of 'exclusive', 'elite' team when they're just being played as useful idiot, empty suit frontmen to destroy their own countries.
I don't know enough about the details, but would be surprised if our problems weren't mostly deliberate in ways at least similar to what you describe.

However. George Soros can't show up at my door and tell me what I can and can't do. An authoritarian government on the other hand can dictate most aspects of my life and forbid me from leaving the country.

As is, I can just fly over to Japan when shit hits the fan here, where none of the Western problems exist. Sure, they have that whole birth rate and aging population issue. But that's clearly being solved by them (and not anywhere as bad as in South Korea in the first place). They also have work ethics that are unhealthy to say the least. But I'm wealthy enough not to care about that at this point. The biggest problem over there would be the illegality of recreational substance use, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't a safe travel destination in the west to play that game from time to time. Not that it would matter if things got so bad that I'd actually have to move. Some things take priority over exploring the space of human consciousness and experience.

I'm not saying that people like Soros aren't a blight on the world. But I still don't see how they're comparable to obvious authoritarian governments. Unless his end-goal was to destroy all countries. Which he is too old to accomplish anyways.
508  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 11:52:28 AM
thought we'd done the https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
it's not perfect, but quite thought-provoking
i always come out more wishy-washy than i'd like to imagine myself (The Khan was a pussy blahblah)
will do it later and might publish here
off to a coffee-morning for the homeless smh
No surprises here


Surprise for me. I'd have imagined I'd be more "libertarian", as I lean heavily into laissez faire, including the bad consequences of poor choices.

Useless quiz is far too statist to get proper picture
Yeah, the questions also aren't sufficiently well-defined for my taste.

Some years back I went to the doctor to get my insomnia checked out. Ended up at some ADHD specialist.

The questionnaire was so ambiguous that I could've crossed anything without distorting the truth depending on how I'd choose to interpret the questions. Needless to say, I could choose the outcome so I went ahead and got a Ritalin prescription just to be sure.

Surprisingly, it knocked me out. First time in my life I went to bed and just fell asleep.

Not taking it anymore because I don't like having to watch my diet to negate the side-effects, and while it makes me more productive and focused it makes me think more linearly and thus tampers with creativity.

Tl;dr questionnaires are shitty ways to collect data. But unfortunately the best we have for now. Probably going to change in a decade or so though.
509  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 11:32:39 AM
^I edited my post to add more information.  "Anarchists" were clearly used as useful idiots in Russia in order to destabilize the existing order and bring in Jewish communism.  Libertardians will serve the exact same role as they did anywhere you go.  You do not seem to comprehend the human organizational structure is:

Individual > family > tribe > village > city state based on the same ethnicity

The 'nation' is an entirely ethnic construct.  Without a homogeneous population or ethnocentric majority, a nation does NOT exist.
I agree with your hierarchy here.

But I don't see why the issues you mention are relevant on an individual basis. Individuals come first, and the environment is too hostile they can find ways to have their way within it or move to a new environment that allows them to live their life and pursue their goals freely. With an authoritarian government one has to worry about government overreach. With Soros one can just play their life out as it were. There will always be people with different objectives obstructing their path, but Soros is a much lesser evil than any authoritarian government could potentially be. At least on an individual basis.
510  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 11:22:57 AM
I wonder if authoritarian vs libertarian is on a pendulum as well. Smarter people with smarter choices leading to more libertarians.

Libertardians are dumb people who think they're smart because it's nothing but a theoretical construct that doesn't exist in reality.  It's a fraction of a second power vacuum that's replaced by a strongman.  If you waved a magic wand to force the US to be "libertarian", then all it means is that someone like George Soros is your new ruler (not that he isn't already).
Fair point. But the difference between government authority and George Soros is that Soros weasles his way around to impact the world to his liking. But he has no immediate authority over individuals (unless he kills them) and people are still free to play within the status quo and break out of it.

In the case of an authoritarian government on the other hand things look a bit different as they can exert control over individuals directly. Which makes it much harder to "outplay" them.
511  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 11:18:42 AM
Sometimes you make interesting points.

Sega partnered with Retro-bit and gave them the molds and all the specifications for the original 6-button Genesis and Sega Saturn controller and is releasing USB versions.  Amazon supposedly already out of pre-order stock.   Order one of each before they're out of stock never to be seen again like what happened the first time Sega re-released a Saturn USB controller.  People claim they're identical to the original parts except now in USB.

https://twitter.com/RetroBitGaming/status/1106237824590852097
I see what you're trying, but you're off here.

If you don't want one someone like Infofront in the thread probably will.  Virtually every D-pad on all PC compatible USB controllers released is complete garbage, so this will probably be the first exception.
Never mind, I might've misinterpreted your post then. I thought you were implying that I only care about mundane things such as retro game pads that are often associated with weird hipsters (which I got some of the classic consoles because I've grown up with them though).

I redact my statement if that was not your intent and thank you for sharing if it was meant to genuinely spread awareness of something you feel others might want.


With interesting points I meant such as we discussed a bit earlier today in case you were actually trying to imply what I first thought by the way.


Edit: You play games Roach?
512  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 11:16:30 AM
I wonder if authoritarian vs libertarian is on a pendulum as well. Smarter people with smarter choices leading to more libertarians. And then things swinging back because people somehow return to creating too many problems and thus forcing a necessity for authority. Then authority overreaching, people slowly learning, and rinse repeat. Hopefully we're smart enough as a species not to go there again.
513  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 11:10:10 AM
Sometimes you make interesting points.

Sega partnered with Retro-bit and gave them the molds and all the specifications for the original 6-button Genesis and Sega Saturn controller and is releasing USB versions.  Amazon supposedly already out of pre-order stock.   Order one of each before they're out of stock never to be seen again like what happened the first time Sega re-released a Saturn USB controller.  People claim they're identical to the original parts except now in USB.

https://twitter.com/RetroBitGaming/status/1106237824590852097
I see what you're trying, but you're off here.
514  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 11:07:16 AM
thought we'd done the https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
it's not perfect, but quite thought-provoking
i always come out more wishy-washy than i'd like to imagine myself (The Khan was a pussy blahblah)
will do it later and might publish here
off to a coffee-morning for the homeless smh

No surprises here




Surprise for me. I'd have imagined I'd be more "libertarian", as I lean heavily into laissez faire, including the bad consequences of poor choices.
515  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 10:37:36 AM
There are very many SAD things happening every day, but @the same time the world gives many happy moments and Some just costing almost nothing or nothing.... and as easy as watching a sunset with your loved ones and a cocktail in hand

This is getting outrageous how Micgoossens keeps pretending to have a girlfriend.  "She" has posted pictures of her hands like 20 times now.  I played football in high school.  I can easily recognize those wide fingers from the defensive line.
Sometimes you make interesting points. But most of the time I really hope that you're just trolling for the lulz.
516  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 10:21:32 AM
How do you like the TA, guys?  Grin Grin Grin
(drawn chartdicks snipped)

I like it. Completely accurate: BTC could go up, down, or sideways.

This is TA at its finest.

Its fun to attempt to predict what will happen next, but most people who swear by technical analysis are just trying to sell you something.

Sometimes people are right in their prediction, sometimes they are wrong. Nobody is right all of the time. Also, nobody is wrong all of the time, unless they are Tom Lee.  Cheesy 
I swear by technical analysis. But it's more complex than "I think the price will go up because of this pretty picture". The trick is to identify different price ranges, try to estimate confidence intervals for these ranges, and then balancing your trades in all directions in a way that achieves your goals. Be the goals minimizing potential loss, maximizing gain, or any other balance of potential loss and gain over several iterations/candles.

Of course, you will never find any working and guaranteed to be profitable TA in the wild, because it would eat into our profits by destroying our information advantage.
517  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 10:16:52 AM
Lmao
518  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 10:11:56 AM
Not sure I agree with disallowing an appeal (mistakes do get made) but let’s put that aside for the moment.

My largest complaint with conservative politicians is that they are not conservative enough.  They only take into account very short term costs and disregard long term costs. There is no planning for the future.

I find it equally frustrating that the left is no incredibly poor at prosecuting these economic arguments, because they are so obvious.  
I would only refuse appeal if death sentence was legislated and if there was absolutely no doubt. If there was video footage of the murder and you could clearly identify the person for example. But since for all practicable purposes that seems too fuzzy to deal with I honestly don't know if I would ever give my vote for it.

And yeah, I don't like how the right talks about environmental issues either. I don't buy the human climate change narrative. But it's clear that polluting our oceans with plastics is bad. We throw plastic away, we don't eat it. So why would we want to eat fish that's filled with the crap?

My problem with the left is that they generally seem to mean well, but only rarely are equipped to process the problems the right doesn't seem to care about and choose all sorts of infantile tactics to discredit the right instead of focusing on what matters.
The left seems at least as - if not in some places more - polemic to me than the right. Mainly because Trump talks about things with substance (e.g. how to improve the Economy for everyone, which in the long term leads to scientific and technological breakthrough), regardless of what he actually ends up doing. While the left focuses far too much on the identity route.

What people choose to identify with should be a private and personal matter and not something that a country focuses taxes on.

There are too many problems that could make use of that money that actually matter. Disease, energy, environment, poverty and education to name some. But certainly not questions about gender or pronouns. We can talk about those on a political stage once we fix the problems that concern everybody, and I'll gladly partake at that time. But right now our priorities are completely backwards.
519  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 09:57:41 AM
30s. Apparently "young" for this place. Which is a shame. The young need money more than the old right now but lack the knowledge to understand what makes bitcoin valuable.

The game was Final Fantasy XI. An MMO that was known for its unforgiving gameplay. You start in a world where you don't know what the fuck you're doing and everything is overwhelmingly hard to accomplish. The learning curve was basically a wall. But the rewards of completing your goals were thrilling and truly felt like an adventure.
It was basically a microcosm of reality, which is what I enjoyed so much about it (in retrospection).

I kept wanting to improve, so I ended up crunching numbers on all the gear, stats, crafts, auction house economics, and so on to improve my own abilities and profits.

Turns out that what I did was just what you would do in Mathematics (although on a very very very basic level, just numbers no abstract stuff), or by large extension with any general real world problems. Trying to optimize crafting (where synthesis could fail, random materials be lost, and high quality items be made with a random chance) turns out to be identical to balancing a portfolio of assets if you ignore the appearance. And thinking about ways to solo/duo/lowman content designed for multiple parties helped me learn how to think way out of the box as well, while still bringing it back to practicable solutions. Coincidentally, after I became really good at the game school went from repeating multiple years and almost being kicked out without a middle school diploma to being really easy, including university. I just learned how to learn solve problems from the game, as well as the perseverance required to do so.


However, the problem with that game was that it was just too hard and/or time consuming (depending on your content of choice). And the market doesn't like that. Games of today are the polar opposite as a result. And my vision is to create a common ground where the masses of casuals can jump right into it, but gradually move up to the experiences I've had in FFXI.

Basically reel the market in with flashy easy drip-feed, and then slowly transform the players into hardcore enthusiasts of challenges of all kind.

Once you feel the adrenaline pumping during something you deemed impossible, followed by the dopamine rush of clearing your impossible challenge, you will keep craving it. And that's where we will hopefully get a new generation of real pioneers (in science, engineering, tech, arts, music etc).
Sounds like my experience in Everquest. It was hard and kept getting harder the higher you leveled. Critters were stronger than solo players for the most part and came in packs, so cooperation was required. Leveling took a long time, so by the top levels almost everyone was competent. And if someone wasn't for some reason it became Known. Had some good times with a solid team for a long while.
They eventually dumbed it down, killing the entire spirit of the game. There was no real challenge to overcome and thus no point.
Sounds a lot like FFXI except that there were ways to do things with lower numbers. Depending on the content the number varied. But one time we brought down a wyrm in 40 minutes with 5 players that other guilds repeatedly failed after hours of trying with two alliances of 18 players each. It took us years to get to that point though, needing gear, strategy, experience and extreme levels of focus. One split-second mistake from any of us and it was all over.

And with 30s you're pretty much in the age range of my inner circle of friends. We're all mostly late twenties to mid thirties. Not sure why I thought you were older.
520  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2019, 09:51:49 AM
What are your thoughts on the kind of person who would murder nearly a hundred people and injure hundreds more?

I am inclined to agree with BTCMillionaire that that individual has forfeited their right to life.  You?
This is pretty interesting. Most of my friends from the left argue strongly against this and consider human rights irrevocable. Which I can't find a perspective to understand it from, seeing how human rights are a human creation.

In defence of your leftist friends, we are all humans so being a human creation is not really something we can examine from the outside.  

I would certainly classify myself as leftist.  Champagne socialist if you would like a fitting derogatory term.  

 A death sentence is extreme violence by the State and arguably the most unLibertarian thing ever.  You cannot make an argument for death sentences on economic grounds as the inevitable appeals are more expensive than life sentences. On this basis it seems to me that the right should be against death sentences but never mind that.

All said, it seems an appropriate sanction for the most heinous of crimes, even if it does cost the tax payer more.
The whole government and practical implications are another story. I don't know if I would be for a legislated death sentence, mostly because I don't trust the powers to be not to abuse it. There would also be the whole issue of the grey areas. If the world agrees that a rapist should be executed, how would we deal with an alleged rapist that gets convicted but without hard proof of his acts (such as the dipshit who shared his video online)?

I always secretly hope that anyone who willfully does things to others that they wouldn't want done to themselves would get back what they did several times over. Perhaps even be reborn as battery farmed life-stock. Or someone who will endure physical torture, possibly without even knowing why depending on the gravity of their actions.

As for the tax argument, that's actually surprising, I didn't think it'd be that expensive. Although if we legislated death sentences for only extreme and clear cut cases (terrorists, murderers) I would legislate not to even allow an appeal and only allow execution of those cases where there is no doubt remaining. With the cessation of human rights the person has also lost the right to appeal in my book, so the only cost remaining would be the actual execution.


Edit: They don't need any defense. We argue all sorts of topics day in day out and nobody ever has any hard feelings. We're all a bunch of nerds who just enjoy arguments. Often even for positions we don't believe in just for the exercise, an exercise which I feel schools should have by default and practice regularly.
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