When today pump?  Within 3 hours. pump? Skippy ball. |
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When today pump? Within 3 hours. |
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For the record, we are taking down the sell wall now, our point has been made. No use to confuse guys like Barry anymore on this...
To supplement to this, the following disclaimer: I was the one who pushed the coin up to almost 1500 sat two times, yesterday evening and last afternoon. Nobody else was involved with this. I hope most of you enjoyed the ride (and seeing the comments I think people enjoyed it). However, this has some effect on the market, which I would like to clarify: 1) I bought from a separate account, than the one from the stabilization software. During the pumps the software was in operation and has increased its balances due to this action for some significant amount. I had to combat my own software, which was a nice stress test in the process. 2) The price gravitated lower before the buys, after the initial buy up, some increase could be observed, which I hope will also continue for the next few days. My guess is there was a surplus of coins being traded, which have been removed from the market now. 3) I will keep these NLG from the market for now and see how things develop. If the price keeps increasing (too much) I will slowly sell to cater the growth of the coin... or I just buy pizza's for it through Nocks... or use in some sort of project.  |
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MaNI you weren't lying when you said updates will come much faster. Is this a forced upgrade? Changelog? |
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But the only difference is along the road one person started making a lot of noise. Noise about his future projects, noise about his never finished projects, noise about how the dev team is not working for him, listening, or taking money from him. And some listen to that noise, but the big majority doesn't, so neither will we. It's just noise, from one person. Well, we are here to change the whole financial system, there will be much bigger money-waving with loud mouths. And they also won't impress us, because our focus is on making Gulden a common payment method in the Netherlands.
[Gordon Ramsey-mode] Oh.. F*ck me... was that really needed to be said? [/Gordon Ramsey-mode] |
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Nope, I just asked why your software works like it works and I told you very high sell orders dont exude confidence towards new people.
But hey... why trowing mud anyway? You don't like how I talk to LTEX or what? Just keep that between us and don't throw sand in peoples eyes.
LTEX can defend himself... no need for me to help him (I'm not his B*tch ). |
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@MaNI, so if you consider yourself as part of the whole team. What's your opinion about the community members that feel like they are ignored and held back by the dev team?
I cannot speak about incidences that have happened before I have joined, however quite honestly I feel that the current complaints are completely unfounded for the most part, at least from the most vocal people, there may be less vocal people who have legitimate concerns but I wouldn't know as I have not heard from them. I think that these people are still reacting based on things that have happened in the past, and not on what is happening now, I ask these people to let go of the past and focus on the present. This is not one person, but multiple persons that have these same issues with the dev team. DeVries has had contact with WaterLooDown, describing the same problem, which lead to him decide to shut down the community forum and leaving the community. This is as recent as it can be. Maybe contact WaterLooDown for details. I skip the mentioned instance, because I don't want to derail the conversation. How do you as a team plan to improve that? The discussion about IPO for the iOS app is just one example, the problem is (and long time has been) bigger than that.
I'm sure we will continue to discuss as a team what we can improve and where as well as continuing to take pointers from the community at large. However, and this is important, for any decision there will always be people who do *not* get there way, and we simply cannot control how those people feel or react to this. Most of the people I'm talking about don't want things their way per se. But valid questions that are raised should be answered when raised and not ignored. And don't use the open source of the wallet as an excuse for guarantee that everything will be fine, you should know better that that is a false excuse.
I know no such thing. Nobody can 'own' open source code, especially if they are not even the people working on it. Ask Oracle how 'owning' OpenOffice or various other open source products worked out for them, the second they bought it the developers all fled, eventually out of desperation they gave OpenOffice away to Apache but still it is a has been with a completely new fork LibreOffice rising in its place. Yes, even open source code have a license which tells you who the owner is (copyright holder), but grants rights to others. Linus Torvalds can't do sh*t when he wants Ubuntu or Redhat to prevent them from doing certain things (as long as the license is respected). Which is IMHO a more suitable example compared to what we are discussing here. Another example is the BSD networking code in the old MS Windows versions. |
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Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly. BioMike, you are a complete ass. Dont you read? The IPO started at a time the price was around 500 sats en was filled way before the explosion to almost 1500. And what is your point anyway in bringing this up? Its always and ALWAYS only you and LTEX that incite people inside the community. Just stop the FUD! The IPO was completed before the price increase (did the maths at 520 sat, where an offer of 500 sat was made). When I funded a large part of the iOS wallet development costs the price was much higher than the market price. My point is that I want the time, money and effort invested in NLG is respected. Questioning decisions is part of that from my side, you have only been nagging me about price not going to the moon. We are just critical and not someone who always says yes. Very not true and you know. I only questioned your so called market stabilisator which is damaging te growth of Gulden imo. I never brought up anything about price/moon stuff. This is something that is constant in your mind. You are singing out loud when the price goes down but when price goes up you always talk about PnD. How can you be so wrong about me? Like I said before... stop this and put some more positive energy in your Gulden projects. I read those PMs as your complain that the software was preventing the price going up to higher. I guess I misread that. I also remembered someone (and I thought it was you, but can't find any reference for that any more) asking me to remove high sell orders earlier this year. Sorry for that misunderstanding. |
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Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly. BioMike, you are a complete ass. Dont you read? The IPO started at a time the price was around 500 sats en was filled way before the explosion to almost 1500. And what is your point anyway in bringing this up? Its always and ALWAYS only you and LTEX that incite people inside the community. Just stop the FUD! The IPO was completed before the price increase (did the maths at 520 sat, where an offer of 500 sat was made). When I funded a large part of the iOS wallet development costs the price was much higher than the market price. My point is that I want the time, money and effort invested in NLG is respected. Questioning decisions is part of that from my side, you have only been nagging me about price not going to the moon. We are just critical and not someone who always says yes. |
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@MaNI, so if you consider yourself as part of the whole team. What's your opinion about the community members that feel like they are ignored and held back by the dev team? How do you as a team plan to improve that? The discussion about IPO for the iOS app is just one example, the problem is (and long time has been) bigger than that.
And don't use the open source of the wallet as an excuse for guarantee that everything will be fine, you should know better that that is a false excuse.
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Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly. |
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believe this is Holland , was looking for meaning of "Delta" makes sense multi algo so distribution is widened ... cool you have a beautiful country .. will use Gulden coin to stay at one of your hotels in the future  And that is the most clichι picture about the Netherlands. There is so much more beyond Amsterdam. |
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There are people who actually want NLG to be more than what it is now, they don't want to take 10 years for it to get somewhere. They want to do it in 3-4 years. They offer help, resources and connections.... yet the dev team decides to do everything by themselves without communicating to those people. They are ignored. From a dev team that claims to be listening to the community. LTEX is one of those people. He doesn't ask for anything except some cooperation/support from the dev team regarding some matters. Seems reasonable to me, but I guess that is too much to be asked.
Example: We have 3 Subways accepting NLG. LTEX arranged a phone list with all other Subways in the Netherlands that he can call, but he needs qualified people to answer possible questions from the franchise holders or at least have a line where he can relay questions or help with implementation for those Subways to accept NLG. He is still waiting for months for an answer regarding this from the dev team.
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Ltec say dev team a bunch of cunts and you retards still buy this shit up.
@LTEX, finally the credit you need!!!  |
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Nope, that question is not important. This is now the 3rd time (first criptoe, then new official forum, now this) in 1 year that this "power struggle" surfaces... get the hint, or check back in this thread (which has been in English mostly).
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Is there examples of them saying this or more of a guess ? It looks like a power struggle from what I am reading.
These power struggles have been going on already for some time. DeVries thinks people should be using the official forum, instead of his more popular one (some people even thought it was the official one), because it would be better for NLG. The complaint is that dev members don't answer user questions on his forum or actively participate in that community. So, to answer your question, the lack of dev members saying something is the problem. Many people on his forum don't agree with his decision. |
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There is a nice button for that below his name. And don't quote trolls, don't give them that credit. |
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unlike the android wallet I have a hard time believing that e.g. the Linux or Windows wallet would ever have a flawed RNG as the RNG for Linux has been hardened for such a long time, so personally I don't view it as an actual risk, I would use a static change address without concern - but that is just my personal view.
F*ck ups can be made in many points down the line, even if the PRNG, or the encryption algos are not compromised by a three letter governmental body. Just a small example to illustrate (introduced by a Debian "developer", in OpenSSL, which doesn't even touch the Linux PRNG and kept undetected for 1,5 years.): https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/05/random_number_b.htmlSchneier has more insights on this subject. |
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Why would a serious investor tell the community he's going to pile in on a market with a relatively massive investment?
He wanted to know the best way to get as much NLG as possible for his bucks. <edit> Or he already bought all into it... and wants to pump it further to cash out. 4 mil wall guy? </edit> |
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That having said, investors like Moneymaker and/or inverstors with even bigger pockets aren't noobs. Such persons won't invest such amounts without doing their homework prior, at least to some degree.
The problem is... his opening post and some comments later show that he doesn't know what he is doing. He didn't do his homework. |
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