I'm not yet sold on the against-IP argument yet. I understand the scarce vs. non-scarce goods anti-IP argument that many libertarians are taking these days, but IMO it fails as soon as you say it voids private contracts. Disallowing individuals to enter into private contracts is obviously immoral, and yet some libertarians are arguing exactly that when they argue against IP. What's wrong with me selling you a reproducible good with a contract attached that says you agree not to duplicate it? If you do, it's dishonest and you've violated our contract. Exactly. And such contracts could be structured in such a way as to have almost the same practical effect as IP enforcement. Which makes me suspect that arguments in favor of evading IP laws are as much about getting free music and free movies as they are about consistent libertarianism. But I'm still learning. Not possible in libertarian theory. You can persecute the party in agreement with the contracts but third parties and outsider have no obligations. The problem with evading IP laws to get free musics and movies is that they're only promoting the monopolist's interest, not the business interest of copyfree entrepreneurs. Piracy[1] is a poor use of promoting free markets and libertarianism. [1]: Piracy has apparently evolved into a catch-all phrase for "Things that Short-Sighted Commercial Dudes Don't Want You To Do". For our purpose, it means illegal copying of a monopolist's pattern. |
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But my point is quite broad really, which is basically that people should look to voluntary solutions rather than everyone lining up at the government’s door to enact new laws. Getting stuck in the pro-IP/anti-IP legal debate is a very, very statist mindset, since it assumes that the government must either enforce for it or enforce against it -- how about get the gov't out of the way and let people figure it out! Some of the anti-IP crowd is even more statist than the pro-IP crowd: read about Sweden’s proposal to legalize piracy (thus voiding private contracts), tax all internet traffic and have the government decide how to hand out money to “content creators”…. that is frightening and insane IMO.
The Pirate Party is not what I consider to be "anti-IP" people, just "less copyright" people. |
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I'm not yet sold on the against-IP argument yet. I understand the scarce vs. non-scarce goods anti-IP argument that many libertarians are taking these days, but IMO it fails as soon as you say it voids private contracts. Disallowing individuals to enter into private contracts is obviously immoral, and yet some libertarians are arguing exactly that when they argue against IP. What's wrong with me selling you a reproducible good with a contract attached that says you agree not to duplicate it? If you do, it's dishonest and you've violated our contract.
The libertarians that I talk to know and accept this argument. So you're arguing against quite possibly a strawman. What we're against is involving third parties who have nothing to do with the non-copying agreement. |
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Maybe I'm not understanding this completely, but it sounds vaguely to me that the suggestion is to use a 'rabid libertarian' tool to facilitate violation of intellectual property rights.
Intellectual property right violate real property right. |
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ha ha very clever mizerydearia So here is an application that already accepts Bitcoins, though I couldn't get the transfer to work. Is the developer on this forum? http://apps.facebook.com/sweepmines/It look like the bitcoin feature is unimplemented at this time. How you find this? It seems that there were problems with our bitcoind daemon (it leeks much part of memory). Now it works correctly. I presume that you're the developer of sweepmines? |
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Didn't somebody show how bitcoin didn't violate the Mises' Regression Theorem?
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Anything that is being used as a medium of exchange is money. Bitcoin, like gold, is money.
Yes. It doesn't matter what nation-states think bitcoin is. All we're doing is saying bitcoin as something else other than its economic reality. |
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Yesterday, I didn't do anything. This is bad.
Today, I only modified the home template. I think I'll do something with a bit more substance tomorrow. Perhaps, a generic registration system will be in order.
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Patience is a virtue. ^_^ There is no need for rush. In fact, the longer that it takes for an animation to be produced, the more potential for the value of the bounty to increase and to possibly create even more incentive.
I thought it was important to keep projects like this one alive by periodic bumping. |
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ha ha very clever mizerydearia So here is an application that already accepts Bitcoins, though I couldn't get the transfer to work. Is the developer on this forum? http://apps.facebook.com/sweepmines/It look like the bitcoin feature is unimplemented at this time. How you find this? |
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Of course, however, the community must* attract cg artists in order for this idea to take off and for quality Bitcoin-related animations to be common or exist. * If you participate in art/cg/design communities, mention Bitcoin if it seems convenient to do so. It would be amazing for artists to create or participate in a kind of community that offers compensation in Bitcoins for designed works. Slightly unrelated: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909.msg10901#msg10901It is "of course" for you, but how? |
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Since we are waiting for the two week period nothing to do for the EFF....I decided to ask a question.
Is this project alive?
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Regarding avoiding governments to shut it down... well... if it ever gets sufficiently widespread to threat their monetary policies, you may be sure they will try to shut it down. Exactly - and isn't that the point of all of this, really? You can't have it both ways, people.The bitcoin escape velocity - the point at which governmental damage control is ultimately futile and that we will never ever go back to the USD or other nation-state controlled currency. |
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I was working on getting EFF to accept bitcoins and then work on other geek organization. The idea is that if bitcoin got attacked by annoying government people, there will be people who will speak and defend on our behalfs. It's all about uniting the tribe of geeks/hackers/singularists/technolibertarians into a united front for bitcoins.
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I was thinking of a traditional console that you plug into your TV. |
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Ideas:
open source video game console.: cheap 200 dollars linux machine with cheap game controller and ethernet port to connect to the internet. I call it bitman 200. Starting capital is 400 USD.
robotic toy company: make lego clones using makerbots and engineer an open source robotic platform using lego clones. Extra bonus points for constructing a makerbot using said lego clones to manufacture even more lego clones. Starting capital is probably 1,200 USD.
But we should establish an economy based on web services first as they are non-capital intensive. Once there are a bunch of bitcoin entrepeneurs making some money, than we can consider funding VC effort.
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More progress: figured out how to generate static pages in rails.
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Mizerydearia wanted to build a kickstarter clone for bitcoin which I guess is similar to ycombinator. Maybe this could be a community project that everyone can get behind and also review proposals before they go to the vcaps? Many hands make light work.  Ycombinator is an actual VC firm that incubate startups but kickstarter is a platform for projects to raise funds. |
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How about a ycombinator type program for bitcoin businesses? Say, you fill out an application and VC fundie check the application to see if the business proposal have value and approve/disapprove. Once you got approved, you basically get X amount of funds from the pool and in return 10% of the revenues.
This will be more useful for services that need more than just a web host and coding chops.
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