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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What mechanism restricts the supply of bitcoins?
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on: December 03, 2010, 09:26:02 PM
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I prefer to not let human judge say if it is right to appropriate money from thief. It is introducing a level of uncertainty.
This stem from what I called The Principle of Least Violence.(Totally invented on the spot...may or may not coincide with actual principle)
Even if it is libertarian theory, proper, to confiscate possessions to be returned to their rightful owners.......one must use least violence amount possible to exact punishment and overcome incentive to steal from others.
The goal is to discourage thievery, not necessary to get your property back.
Because if you use more violence than necessary:
1. You will involve some kind of court system, which may or may not rule that your property is valid for taking. 2. You are creating complication in the common law system. This make the law less predictable. 3. You may create more cost than benefit, leading to a downward spiral of societal and rule of law.
The bitcoin system encourage people to be more careful with their money and create amicable relationships, thereby eliminating the need for the court. Only when extraordinary circumstance required, that a naturalistic court system will be established. Even so, the court should endeavorer as much as possible eliminating the need for their service.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What mechanism restricts the supply of bitcoins?
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on: December 03, 2010, 09:03:34 PM
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How is this possible in a system where no one can take away the money illegitimately acquired by a thief or fraudster? This is a major problem that I see with bitcoin being suitable as money.
I have blacklisted a forum member for spreading or attempting to spread libel against bitcoin speculators. Others had joined me into the cause. Group ostracism and blacklisting people is the primary system of enforcement by bitcoiners. Other than that, we expect that some people will take advantage of our trust and adjust accordingly. Thus, some of the rule of thumbs are: 1. For reversible transaction such as paypal, used trust members. 2. Never believe a deal until you demand proof/evidence. 3. Use escrow service.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What mechanism restricts the supply of bitcoins?
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on: December 03, 2010, 08:45:46 PM
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finally: How can one re-appropriate bitcoins that was fraudulently acquired? Say, someone sells for millions of $ worth of bitcoins through fake ebay auctions, and get convicted by a judge of that action. How can the victims be compensated if the thief simply refused to give his private key (or has destroyed it)? With real money, his bank account is simply frozen/ confiscated.
Let me ask you a question: Do you really really really really want a judge deciding all of this?
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Economy / Economics / Re: Should money have intrisic value ?
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on: December 03, 2010, 05:33:03 PM
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IMO the bitcoin chain is probably the most indestructible piece of Data on the Internet.
But wallets are, until you back them up multiple time and encrypted all of them...
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Economy / Economics / Re: Growing the Copyfree Movement
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on: December 03, 2010, 05:20:20 PM
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Copyleft software, at least by these numbers, is shown to be a viable distribution model that people will support both for development purposes and for those actually using the software once it is created. The ability to create works and simply "give them away" and to put them into the public domain has also been around for about the same length of time, yet it hasn't been nearly as "successful" in terms of adoption and growth in the market place. At the same time, a straight out "all rights reserved" and commercial content distribution model has also been very successful in terms of actually getting the software to ordinary end-users and providing the quality of software that they are needing. My question would then be to point out how perhaps "copyfree" might do that job better. If not, it is going to be a mime that will die. Where is the growth that comes from abandoning copyright altogether?
Please refrain from your overly long posts. It's a waste of time for everyone. The economic advantage of open source is not a distribution policy but a development policy. This development policy implies a distribution model that is quite...open. The GPL is however, not without cost. The term of the GPL is tricky and overly complicated. The proof is that I failed most of the question offered by the GPL. Thus, here lies the transaction cost of the GPL. The GPL is quite indifferent to the development methodology of open source projects. The development methodology of Linux would hardly change if it switch to BSD or more liberal licenses. From there, we can infer that the GPL offer little economic advantage at all from the perspective of open source projects. However, to address your concern about no growth: It mainly have to do with authors not adopting public domain and instead prefering copyright. Thus, we don't see much growth of public domain. Experimental data suggests that people do pay for copyfree stuff, at least Jason Rohrer(About 42,000 USD in a few month) and me(bitcents but earning nonetheless).
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Economy / Economics / Building Reputation System
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on: December 03, 2010, 04:16:45 PM
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http://buildingreputation.com/writings/2010/02/on_karma.htmlTL;DR summary: 1. Robust karma - quality of contribution and quantity of contribution is key. 2. Simple and complex reputations. Simple are evaluation made directly by users, easy to understand. Complex are multiple evaluations based on a variety of factors such as search engine results. 3. Don't display karma frequently but also make sure that karma are narrow and contextual as possible. 4. Avoid negative karma lest you get "karma bankruptcy" in which a user start a new account.
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Economy / Marketplace / Re: Kiba's Art Thread
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on: December 03, 2010, 03:50:55 PM
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it will take some (long) time to get to rapidshare level for both ubitious and bitcoinservice =)
Than we need to grow the copyfree movement. If we could get a coalition of artists and programmers, we could shut down or at least bring a showdown with malicious collection societies.
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Economy / Economics / Re: Should money have intrisic value ?
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on: December 03, 2010, 02:38:29 PM
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I mean : the value of an ice cream is obviously more "intrinsic" that the value of a 1$ bank note. Don't you get ?
I can eat and enjoy the former, while I need to trade the latter against something if I want to get any benefit from it.
It's a human valuation and human use that determine the usefulness of an object. That's subjective theory of value. Perhaps say, humanity don't value or use gold at all. That automatically make gold worthless. Intrinsic theory of value say that each object have an objective value that can be determined without the need of human judgement.
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Economy / Marketplace / Re: Kiba's Art Thread
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on: December 03, 2010, 02:32:06 PM
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It is settled.
Bencoder's download site will be used by Kiba from now on.
Bencoder's terms are VERY FAVORABLE compared to ubitious.
1. I don't have to pay a fee just to make money.
2. He only take 10% or .01, whichever is higher.
3. Files don't expire, period.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitpredict Update Thread
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on: December 03, 2010, 08:43:41 AM
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I started working on bitpredict's user registration and user login/user sessions and the whole nine yard that come with setting up an account system.
I will come up with an accountless system for those who are too lazy to register.
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Economy / Economics / Re: Should money have intrisic value ?
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on: December 03, 2010, 08:30:40 AM
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Only now that I saw this topic.
Please, memorize: There is no such a thing as intrinsic value.
Oh please. It's a very specific definition. An object is said to have an intrinsic value if humans can find ways to use it other then...money. So cows, cars, houses, etc have intrinsic value. It's not in conflict with subjective theory of value at all. Now, why gold? Well, because gold is the mean of starting over from a barter economy. Bitcoins have no value in a barter economy and cannot arose as money until gold or some other form of money emerge. Therefore, gold is the best form for storing your wealth over the long term. We also see that gold have thousand years of experience as money, while bitcoin...is only 2 years old at best. People trust gold coins more than they trust some new fanged thing called bitcoins.
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Economy / Economics / Re: Should money have intrisic value ?
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on: December 03, 2010, 06:34:25 AM
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That's not an answer.
Fair enough. Let me try an answer. Mises' Regression Theorem shows us how money's value is established. The reason why gold arise as the money of choice is because it is a useful commodity under barter(intrinsic value). In other words, gold got its start because it is valuable in an a barter economy, not because it was a good medium of exchange. That come later. Does bitcoin have any value in a barter economy? Nope. But if you can exchange bitcoin in term of gold, than you seed a way for price estimation. Thus... Sheeps -> Gold -> paper money -> unbacked FR notes -> Bitcoins. <- Gold again. IF our economy were to crash and the bitcoin network is wiped out, we have to start with gold again before we can start using bitcoins.
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