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581  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 09, 2017, 04:52:02 PM
This looks and smells like a scam. Next stage is dumping on an excnage then it's adios amigo from the developer and off to the Bahamas.

Coval on the other hand.

You were doing so well until you got to the blatant shilling. 3/10 for your trolling. Please return to troll school for re-takes.

Edit: your post history shows exactly what's going on! That's obvious to the point of being hilarious.
582  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 09, 2017, 11:41:30 AM
Anyone in here please help me, Can you give me a step to send incent from the wavelite wallet? Thanks for your help. Is it need a waves amount to pay the transaction fees?

Yes, you'll need a (very) small amount of Waves to make transactions. 0.001 WAVES at this point. You can get it from an exchange or a kind person who will donate it. Hit us up on Slack and I'll send you enough to get you started.
583  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 09, 2017, 09:35:27 AM
Stop lying to people!!!  >:(You have done nothing but empty statements. Raised money? WHERE ARE THE RESULTS???The builders of the pyramids... THEIR STRATEGIES leave deaf grandmother. Talkers and scammers.

I'll also be honest I feel like this was a scam coin. I invested in the ICO but even today I still have not received my tokens even though I've posted a WAVES address as advised. Today I see the ICO site is no longer available on the Incent site, you have not paid out all tokens but you have taken the site down. This makes no sense Huh Huh Huh

Let's be a little careful throwing around words like 'scam'?

I'm really sorry you haven't received your Incent. The tokens are still there waiting to be distributed, so don't worry, we will get that sorted. It's not clear what has happened here. Distribution occurs in tranches (for security reasons, we haven't implemented an on-demand withdrawal - this allows us to audit pending withdrawals) so it may simply be that yours hasn't been processed yet if you added the address recently.

If you come over to Incent Slack, we can get it sorted much faster. Otherwise drop us an email (incent@bitscan.co) and let us know your login details.

I'd encourage you to come to our Slack anyway. There's a lot of cool stuff going on and you'll get a much better picture of where we're at. You can talk to the team directly.
584  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 09, 2017, 12:58:19 AM
This reply was for two of your posts. Regardless, see the response above from Rob.
585  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2017, 10:01:50 AM
Latest appears to be that ETF deadline may come and go and it will be approved by default (apparently such is often the way of things in these matters). Is that a reasonable TL;DR or are we expecting a specific statement at some point?
586  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][TKS]TOKES Platform | Blazing the Blockchain on: March 07, 2017, 10:19:26 PM
And a repost from Incent thread for the sake of completeness. I think this is a very reasonable response given the agreement that existed.

Michael,

To be clear, the very first time you expressed any discontent to me whatsoever, with either our product or our support was yesterday, during a call in which you asked that we accept settlement in Tokes 'because you hadn't raised what you had hoped'. The inference being that we should share the impact of an aspect of your ICO for which we had no responsibility.

Settlement in Tokes is not acceptable to me because it is not what we agreed in our MOA - since which we have enabled your ICO with IP, server and technical support, to the best of our ability, over an extended period, in the best of faith.

Since you are not, after the fact, prepared to settle on what we agreed, I am not happy to continue to expend our finite resources in supporting you. This should not surprise you.

Notwithstanding, if I understand your post correctly, you now intend to re-issue the Tokes asset from scratch. This strikes me as nuts and doing so will distract your team and burn your community.

While I have my own view on your behaviour in this matter, I'm entirely happy to forward all remaining Tokes to an address of your nomination.

Sincerely,

Rob W.
587  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 07, 2017, 08:19:32 PM
Incidentally, for those traders who haven't been keeping an eye on such things, the decision on the first bitcoin ETF is due by Saturday at the latest. That will inevitably have an impact on bitcoin prices, and alts by implication.
Goodness knows which way it will go, but I'd expect volatility in both BTC and alts/Incent to result whatever happens.
588  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 07, 2017, 08:10:36 PM
You see? You told the real state of affairs. This is your strategy .... You do not want to spend money until there is real income from the project. More precisely, while the current income from the project is not used to the current expense for its development. That is, you do not plan to really invest in promotion until you are sure that the project is profitable. But tell me, why then go to the stock exchange with a pacifier ??
 Do you understand that you are misleading people? They do not know your plans and expect a different result from these investments. So say that we do not plan to support the course until the project is self-supporting. So far nothing has been done, so do not expect growth until everything is will be working.
Personally, your position is clear to me.

Your position is understandable. But being placed on the stock exchange you also need to take into account the volatility of bitcoins and the risks that your potential investors are expecting .. Even more than they themselves are expecting it. This is correct. And so you claim that bitcoin has grown very ... and once we bought your token, ourselves to blame ....

Hi Papa Di,
I think you may have misunderstood. We are spending money where we need to: on developing the app/tech, on business development, on compliance - basically on all the things we need to make sure happen to launch a viable product that operates within the current regulatory structure. What we cannot afford to do is spend funds where we do not need to. Everything at this point goes behind launching a successful consumer app. Everything else comes from that. Get it wrong and we're dead in the water before we start. Get it right and the sky is the limit.

You're right that bitcoin's volatility is a risk assumed by the investor. That is the case with any investment, of course - that the currency in which you invest (i.e. that you sell for the asset purchased) rises in value. If bitcoin had fallen in value, likely Incent would have risen against BTC, as is the case with just about any alt under those circumstances. This is just a given in the crypto economy. It is unavoidable and it affects every ICO and crypto project to some extent.

Bottom line, we're not launched with Merchant 1 yet. We need to be on exchanges ahead of that. The price you see there isn't realistic - it wouldn't be possible to cash out large amounts anyway, as there simply isn't the liquidity. (One of the things we discussed at length in Sydney was our marketmaking strategy, and how we will add depth to the order books. This will allow merchants and traders to buy in/cash out with lower slippage, and will benefit everyone.) We're not at go-live yet, so the sorts of criticisms you're making of us just don't stack up. We're doing what we need to and what we said we would, within the schedule laid out.
589  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 07, 2017, 05:57:57 PM
Stop lying to people!!!  >:(You have done nothing but empty statements. Raised money? WHERE ARE THE RESULTS???The builders of the pyramids... THEIR STRATEGIES leave deaf grandmother. Talkers and scammers.

I'm not sure who you're talking to here, or what you're referring to - Tokes or Incent?
If Tokes, that's something to take up with their team.
If Incent, you are quite misguided.
The bit about pyramids and grandmothers was particularly arcane. Please explain?

Edit: latest major update barely a week ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1610052.msg18010652#msg18010652
I'm talking about incent! Why did you go to the stock exchange? You essentially have nothing to trade with. You are present at 2 exchanges. Offer to buy your coins .... and the price is already 2 times lower than ico by btc? Are you serious? Do you like to see how your idea depreciates? You say that the price in USD has not changed almost ..... This can not be a question !!! You collected funds in btc.And the course is also in btc !! All the rest is an excuse, you can console yourself. Your do not invest in your token because you are not sure whether you can get your money back. Your not sure that he will be in demand at all ... But for this you are all here to convince the contrary. There is only one conclusion!

Just so we're clear:
Buying tokens back using ICO funds makes us a Ponzi. You want us to be a Ponzi?
Price has fallen in terms of BTC. BTC has risen. This is a known phenomenon in cryptoland, it impacts everything. Would you like us to take the blame for the fall in the value of the Mexican Peso, or credit for the rise in the FTSE? Same reason, a change in the value of the reference currency.

I can appreciate that the exchange price of Incent may be disheartening to investors. Equally, we never promised the magical 3x growth in a week that some ICO participants seem to believe is their entitlement. We said we would launch a loyalty system and integrate the first merchants around the end of March, beginning of April, and that returns would be based on demand from real e-commerce transactions. And that's what we're doing.
590  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 07, 2017, 05:48:34 PM
Can INCENT dev complete the distribution of TOKES asap? Everytime tokes dev refer us to incent for delaying tokes distribution.
It would be nice if you say something like when your'e going to distribute all tokes?
Thank you

I will pass it on. Just to check, have you put your Waves address in the ICO area?

I've just checked. Support for Tokes has been suspended.
There was an MOA with Tokes to pay 5 BTC for the service Incent offered. They are refusing to honour this due to their raise being less than they expected.
Obviously this is not our responsibility. Until it is resolved all support is on hold.
I'd suggest that you take this up with Tokes in the meantime.

but this is about the +plus they were offering to eary buyers (as incent tokens)? or the TOKES tokens which are the actual coin? Huh
It's basically about all the work still to be done from our side. We are more than happy to fulfill our obligations but that requires TOKES to fulfill their part of the deal.

In short: TOKES is on hold until payment is received/escrowed.

All I see is incompetence on the part of Incent. I invested in both Incent and TOKES. First the "fantastic platform" Incent built crashed every other day. You provided poor support when you were contacted for help by users / participants. You overpaid a bunch of investors and asked for the Incent back post ICO.

You should be bending over backwards to the Tokes guys for selling them on a crappy ICO platform rather than pointing fingers.

The audacity of all this is unfathomable.


Not really. We are creating a platform and ecosystem and were quite transparent about what it involved and our timelines. Perhaps you didn't read the white paper or website?
It is necessary for us to trade on exchanges ahead of merchant integration to establish a market price before that buy pressure comes in. Besides, the community clamoured for Incent to be added to exchanges. Read back through the post history if you're in any doubt.
If you're upset that the market has treated Incent unfavourably when we're pre-launch (no merchant demand) and bitcoin is spiking, that is unfortunate but beyond our control. If you weren't prepared to wait until launch, you shouldn't have invested. We have always been crystal clear about where the return on investment would come from, and it's not burning the funds we collected. That is the very definition of a ponzi.
As for Tokes, there was an agreement there too. They didn't honour it. Take it up with them.
591  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 07, 2017, 04:13:23 PM
Stop lying to people!!!  >:(You have done nothing but empty statements. Raised money? WHERE ARE THE RESULTS???The builders of the pyramids... THEIR STRATEGIES leave deaf grandmother. Talkers and scammers.

I'm not sure who you're talking to here, or what you're referring to - Tokes or Incent?
If Tokes, that's something to take up with their team.
If Incent, you are quite misguided.
The bit about pyramids and grandmothers was particularly arcane. Please explain?

Edit: latest major update barely a week ago: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1610052.msg18010652#msg18010652
592  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 07, 2017, 09:14:35 AM
Can INCENT dev complete the distribution of TOKES asap? Everytime tokes dev refer us to incent for delaying tokes distribution.
It would be nice if you say something like when your'e going to distribute all tokes?
Thank you

I will pass it on. Just to check, have you put your Waves address in the ICO area?

I've just checked. Support for Tokes has been suspended.
There was an MOA with Tokes to pay 5 BTC for the service Incent offered. They are refusing to honour this due to their raise being less than they expected.
Obviously this is not our responsibility. Until it is resolved all support is on hold.
I'd suggest that you take this up with Tokes in the meantime.
593  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 07, 2017, 09:11:59 AM
wow. and you still use third party advertising. that's what I call greed.

Not sure what you mean?
594  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 07, 2017, 08:57:55 AM
Can INCENT dev complete the distribution of TOKES asap? Everytime tokes dev refer us to incent for delaying tokes distribution.
It would be nice if you say something like when your'e going to distribute all tokes?
Thank you

I will pass it on. Just to check, have you put your Waves address in the ICO area?
595  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 06, 2017, 12:26:41 PM
nowadays , people aspect there money will double directly after investing in ICO , if price is falling a little they are ready to take there loose and go on to the next ICO

TIP : keep your investment and try not to sell with a loss , incent is possible one off the biiger ones in 2017
Although i am agree with you.You never loss until you sell your coin at less price. INCENT should be consider as a long term investment plan because its not like some other pump and dump coin.If you managed to double your invest within 1 year,consider yourself lucky.

If things were not very much different in 3-6 months, I'd be surprised.
Buy pressure from merchants should start to impact the market in a month, gradually growing as we on-board new businesses and as existing ones use the platform more.

Cassius I will hold you to your words and buy more, I bough some around 4100sat last week and will look to set my order below that if it would be filled. I trusted the team that's why I invested initially, my more around 6000sat and the latest 4100sat but I hope the team will work the talk

I have to say it's an attractive price in terms of BTC, though of course barely changed from ICO in fiat terms.
We do have a good team and I will say that I was very encouraged during our recent week together. It was the first time I'd met three of them (I'd met Rob a few months back and regularly Skyped with him for 2+ years) and I was extremely impressed by their professionalism and experience. Richard Farrelly is a huge asset to the team and is generating some great leads, for example.
Right now what matters is getting the MVP out of the gate with customer 1. I think at that point things should become a lot clearer for investors and businesses interested in coming on board.
596  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 06, 2017, 11:48:16 AM
nowadays , people aspect there money will double directly after investing in ICO , if price is falling a little they are ready to take there loose and go on to the next ICO

TIP : keep your investment and try not to sell with a loss , incent is possible one off the biiger ones in 2017
Although i am agree with you.You never loss until you sell your coin at less price. INCENT should be consider as a long term investment plan because its not like some other pump and dump coin.If you managed to double your invest within 1 year,consider yourself lucky.

If things were not very much different in 3-6 months, I'd be surprised.
Buy pressure from merchants should start to impact the market in a month, gradually growing as we on-board new businesses and as existing ones use the platform more.
597  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 05, 2017, 10:09:02 PM
Loss exceeds 50%, and I think that the reversal there will not be and price will continue to fall. It is not clear why developers do not want to affect price.

Because, as we've said many times before, we won't spend funds collected for development on supporting price. Rather, we will develop the platform and allow merchant activity to increase prices.
Did you not read the white paper or any of our many updates?

Hi Cassius, It's a double edge sword; if the price falls too low,some investors will dump and new investors won't buy.
You can't have one without the other; you have to have a balance.

          Embarrassed

Merchants won't care or know about exchange price. They will simply buy and customers will receive Incent.
Anything else is just playing to the crypto crowd and isn't sustainable. External demand is all that counts in the long term. That's what we're doing.
598  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 04, 2017, 07:08:08 PM
Merchants should have absolutely no concern about the current price since the actual use of Incent with customer number 1 hasn't even started yet.   Only a tiny number of bitcointalk users are currently worried.

Are there prospective clients lining up yet? If so which ones?

Hope this project succeeds. I love the concept.


Yes! We've written about this many times, please check our blog. Merchant 1 should be integrated within a month. Plus we'll have another ico client announcing shortly.
599  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 04, 2017, 05:24:02 PM
Loss exceeds 50%, and I think that the reversal there will not be and price will continue to fall. It is not clear why developers do not want to affect price.

Because, as we've said many times before, we won't spend funds collected for development on supporting price. Rather, we will develop the platform and allow merchant activity to increase prices.
Did you not read the white paper or any of our many updates?
600  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: March 04, 2017, 07:15:49 AM
This coin devalues so much, ICO price 12k but now 4k, it does no real development, no good news, 1000 btc became lambo. You team is wealthy, but investors sucked by you.

Facepalm.
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