Those people including me who just entered in dash mining first time and have purchased d3 will not sell dash cheaply and will hold thus decreasing the supply and in this case price will follow hashrate. The dash network will increase more with the supply of A5 and remaining d3 for Nov delivery so IMO dash price will rise more until it is reasonably profitable for mining and reasonable is 8 to 10$ per day and not expecting $ 40 per day

are you sure? maybe the price is rise
because a effect the hardfork many of people to buy bitcoin cash now.

Good luck trying to pump bitcoin cash more. We have been here before, and nothing happened. Bitcoin cash was pumped then dumped on the poor newbies who bought late. It will be just like that again. There is nothing in bitcoin cash that can make it better than bitcoin.

BCH at $1780.00 Something is fishy is going on. Billions are being pumped in, by who?

Hey guys! I personally received a bunch of d3 as of a few days ago and have already found a reliable hosting facility. I mostly see here people that bought 1-15 miners and now are panicking. I have been in the game for a long time and this scenario is no different then any other. Crypto Business is very predictable, especially when it comes to Bitmain way of thinking. Yes, you will end up making a small amount of change for a while, but if you BELIEVE in this wicked game, you will at the end be rewarded. Same Thing happened to bitcoin miners. Here is What will happen, BIG FISH will NOT let D3 stay unprofitable, thats one. BITMAIN would not release a miner if they didnt know what they were doing. This game is not in your hands, but in big player hands.  While your selling your miners Under 1k, all the big fish will buy out and laugh at you when dash will hit 1500$ in a few month and they are the only ones mining. And dont forget, every antminer has hidden hash power that mines for BITMAIN. Yes every miner out there brings revenue for them too=]. Cheers, just believe that the future holds rewards whether your in GPU or Latest Asic equipment. D3 WILL NOT FAIL, just be patient

Dash is not doomed. The Dash mining difficulty has just caught up to the mining power that was pointed toward it. We all knew this was going to happen.. just didn't expect it to happen so fast. And just because it happened fast, doesn't really mean anything at the end of the day (other than disappointing people that thought they had bought a magic money machine that was going to hand them hundreds of thousands annually). It just means that it has now joined the rankings of established cryptocurrencies. There was no way the network was going to sustain allowing people to make even $50 a day if everybody else was also competing for $50 a day.

Disregard hardware cost for a moment, and just think about electricity cost to reward (efficiency). In the history of cryptocurrency mining, has there ever been a (decentralized) coin that was completely unprofitable to mine? No, the incentive game theory is and has always been applied to every cryptocurrency that has ever existed. People will stop mining it when the reward is to low, and the patient people will stick around until it becomes profitable to mine again. If it only remains unprofitable to mine with the most powerful equipment, then that means that it does not exist, or there are more efficient miners available that are not being released to the public.

In the US, the story will go like this:
- Eventually (pretty much now) the D3 will make about $2 - $4 a day, and the A5's will make $7 - $10 a day.
Huh.. What a coincidence. The Antminer S7 makes $2 - $4 a day and the Antminer S9 makes about $7 - $10 a day... strange.

I am not siding with Inno just because their miner is (allegedly) more efficient, because I do not agree with the insane price point.
But to be fair, everybody had fair warning that the D3 was not the most efficient miner out there even before you purchased it. It's like buying an Antminer S7 when the Antminer S9 already existed. I understand that you could of bought 5 or 6 D3's for the price of 1 A5, but if you have been in the mining scene before, you would know that efficiency is the name of the game. If you didn't want to purchase the A5 (I don't blame you one bit) then you bought the D3 hoping to make a quick profit before it was too late, by no means should you have though that the D3 was a good long term investment knowing that was like the equivalent of Dashs' version of Bitcoins' Antminer S7.

I don't see how this could negatively effect Dash's future. Changing the algo is irrelevant. I don't quite follow you on that one.

Mining companies are not in the business to make everybody else rich. That would be a horrible business model. They know what their doing and so should we.

Thank you! I just wanted to verify my thinking and bounce it off of you guys.. ON a side note, I got 2 of the L3's hooked up and running. Do these run hot? I attached a picture below of the temps and was wondering if those are Celsius or Fahrenheit? My last S9 was Fahrenheit and it usually ran about 70 - 72 and I kept it cool. As it is, it is really cool inside my mining room right now and I have a fan on both of them..plus its winter. So i'm wondering because if the picture below is of Celsius, wouldn't that equate out to about 130 fahrenheit? Just confused because I don't see how they could be 53 Fahrenheit, but I also don't see how they could be 130 Fahrenheit because it is cool in here and the miners themselves are cool to the touch. I'd say its about 65 degrees Fahrenheit currently in here.



https://imgur.com/w0zXW0u

Care to offer a logical rebuttal to my post?

I don't like being the bearer of bad news, but their PSUs are as unreliable as their miners and shipping.

Hope it works out for you...

M

Hi,

I'm using bitmain's antpool and making more or less around what this (whitomine) is saying I should be making: https://[Suspicious link removed]/qxSFMq (3.4$/ day)
Just tried it out with nicehash 30 minutes ago, and indeed I'm 1$ short from the approximately 3$ that it can make...so it's significant if you look at it in %. Like 30% more.

Anyway, hope it helps. I personally just tested nicehash and www.antpool.com so far, so maybe there is something better. Hope anyone has any other feedback around this.

I thought I recognized that post


I agree that many D3's will be forced to turn off soon after the A5s start running, unless they have much cheaper than average (or free) power.
I think that too many people saw the false potential to make $150 000 a year with a D3 using one of the online calculators and went all in as soon as they can.
There hasn't been a investment mining "opportunity" that has ever had potential to yield as much as a D3 or A5 so I think that's why the difficulty has shot up more than most had ever seen coming.

Eventually in the long run, things will even out. People will take their losses, and the D3 will end up making roughly as much as the Antminer S7 does in Bitcoin now, and the Innosilicon A5 will be making as much as the Antminer S9 is making in Bitcoin now. It's a rough estimate, but it makes sense as the performance of the two (Dash miners and Bitcoin miners) are somewhat similar. This is a comparison that doesn't take into account price fluctuations or market size and impact or Dash.. we will see how that comes into play eventually.

Currently the Antminer S9 is more profitable in Bitcoin than any Dash miner on the market. This is proof that the Dash mining difficulty will not be able to continue on it's exponential increase. Otherwise, everybody will soon be mining at a loss, and I hope for the sake of everybody that nobody is doing that.

There is one other scenario that I hope is not true. Because Dash mining has just exploded with interest and is relatively new to the corporate mining industry, I believe that it's possible that corporations have managed to create more efficient miners (more so than the Innosilicon A5) and are just running them themselves without releasing them into the public. If this were the case, then nobody else would have a chance, and Dash becomes a centralized garbage coin. 

can change the fans of bimain D3

or not will be work???

Making fun of noobs is not nice! Teach them and inform them, this is the way to go, we've all been there! And by the way, as previously mentioned, YOU CAN mine LTC with D3 using prohashing with LTC payout!

As it seems that many people didn't pay attention to my previous explanation why MULTI ALGORITHM MINING CAN WORK:

X11 is a chained mining algorithm using the following algorithms to compute the final hash result: blake, bmw, groestl, jh, keccak, skein, luffa, cubehash, shavite, simd, and echo.

That means that EACH of those algorithms can be used for mining SEPARATELY. In fact, making them all work together to produce an X11 hash is much, much more difficult than just getting the result of one of them. On an ASIC chip- lets use 28nm for reference- there are thousands of cores. Nearly all of the hashcores do mining, while the remaining small portion handles communication etc. Now, you allot a certain amount of hashcores to do each algorithm. For example, 300 for Keccak and 700 for Groestl (it is more intensive). At the end, you want a balanced hashrate on ALL groups of algorithms (eg; each group does 20GH of their algorithm). If you have 10 out of the 11 algos doing 30 GH but the last one doing 5 GH, your miner will have a final result of 4-5 GH X11 as the slowest performing algorithm becomes the hashrate bottleneck.

Bitmain needs to release a firmware upgrade that allows mining on the INDIVIDUAL GROUPS OF HASHCORES. That means they need to modify their version of cgminer such that it is able to tell the ASIC to run calculations on just one algorithm. Then patch their other programs to accommodate the modifications. That's it. All it takes is the WILL to help their buyers and a couple of developers.

Amen brother!! I lost count of the number of posts that go something like this......." Hi guys, I'm new here. I just got 50 D3's delivered to my door, I'm so pissed off!! They forgot the fucking power cords". ....or.... "Greetings miners, I just bought 100 D3's. What kind of PSU do I need for these things? Also, can I mine anything besides DASH with them??". Of course my all time favorite...." Hey there! Newbie here. I just started up my 25 new D3's in my studio apartment. Holleee SHIT are these things LOUD!! They're also making my apartment really HOT!! Should I get a fan or something??". SMH!!!