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621  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Kenneth Rogoff, former IMF economist says "Bitcoin price will collapse" on: October 14, 2017, 04:46:48 AM
There is a way for Bitcoin to last long and be adopted by more people: more regulations. Governments can implement regulations, thats why ICO banning in China is good news, if in the long term it can prevent people from being robbed.
Also, if one day the price of Bitcoin becomes more stable (less volatile),that will encourage people to have more trust and faith into Bitcoin.
Let's be optimistic, what is happening in Japan is great.
622  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Will NEO/GAS temporary ban be lifted after China approves of regulation??? on: October 14, 2017, 04:28:09 AM
The government merely took a time out to create a regulative framework for crypto economy. Nobody knows what comes next.
Some people believe that decisions have already been prepared and will be announced soon, allowing regulated exchanges and ICOs to become legal again. There are also sceptics who believe that the current situation will stay until next year because of the Chinese communist party congress, which is planned to take place next week.
623  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tracking all my bets (tennis/soccer) for 2017/2018 ..... on: October 13, 2017, 03:28:16 PM
I looked at soccer matches tomorrow, and I really like PSG -2 (asian handicap, so refund in case of a win by 2 goals).

Dijon - PSG
Soccer / Ligue 1

PSG has been just brutal in the final third at the start of the season: 27 goals in 8 matches with superb attacking trio (Cavani, Neymar, Mbappe). The only question for me is how many goals will PSG bag this time? Considering the vulnerabilities Dijon defense showed lately, I reckon PSG - 2 is a rock solid bet (prediction: 0-3 or 0-4).

PSG - 2.0 @ 1.60
Stake: 0.01 BTC


@Muhtaixa agree with this pick?

Don't hesitate to share if you take some bets as well  Wink
624  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tracking all my bets (tennis/soccer) for 2017/2018 ..... on: October 13, 2017, 02:32:12 PM
Federer vs Gasquet
Tennis / Shanghai

Now that is a HUGE confidence, as when Federer plays Gasquet he always trash him.
Federer plays too fast, Gasquet likes to defend and play way too behind of his base line. Result: he gets destroyed everytime.
Odds are low, 1.16 but this is super safe.

Federer @ 1.16
Big stake: 0.5 BTC


good luck all.

Well this big stake is a winner, but Federer looked shaky and almost scared me in the first set at 4-4 break point against him.
625  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tracking all my bets (tennis/soccer) for 2017/2018 ..... on: October 13, 2017, 02:31:24 PM
good luck,

soccer leagues starting again this week i will be looking your soccer predictions..
Thank you Muhtaixa! I am still not sure if I have a bet on this week end, maybe PSG -2 in Asian handicap, will see tomorrow.
Good luck to you too.
626  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: About hardfork on: October 13, 2017, 10:46:55 AM
Hi dilshan Smiley
The fork is necessary because Bitcoin is getting too popular !  Wink
Simply put, a so-called hard fork is a change of the Bitcoin protocol that is not backwards-compatible; i.e., older client versions would not accept blocks created by the updated client, considering them invalid. Obviously, this can create a blockchain fork when nodes running the new version create a separate blockchain incompatible with the older software.

When the hard fork does happen, if your Bitcoin isnot stored in an exchange, you will not need to do anything. If you are currently hosting your Bitcoin is an exchange like CoinBase, you are beholden to those companies to do the right thing when Bitcoin forks: allow you access to both currencies. It might not happen immediately or might not happen at all. If you have your Bitcoin in an offline wallet stored in a vault somewhere (as is recommended) with no intentions of selling your newly cloned Bitcoin, then no worries.

627  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should I invest now or wait a while? on: October 13, 2017, 10:33:51 AM
Hi Thamos (from Greece?). Welcome here.
We ve all been through the same question. Should I buy now or is it too high?

One reason to buy bitcoins are a valuable asset is that only 21 million of them will ever come into the world. and most of them are already here. the number of coins created by the mining process drops by half every few years. Right now, around 80% of all bitcoins are already mined and no new ones will appear after the year 2040. This scarcity could continue to drive up demand, especially if, as has been rumored, central banks decide to start buying them as foreign currency reserves.

Another reason for me to buy is that Bitcoin has similar charachteristics as gold, in the sense that the value is not controlled by governments.

That being said, you should have in mind that over 8 years, bitcoin has been prone to brutal crashes too. In 2013 it went on a run to over $1,100 only to tank to $700 a few months later, and crashed to $200 in 2015. There is no reason this couldn’t happen again.

I recommend you to watch Youtube videos, learn about it, get your opinion on the pros and cons, and make your choice Wink
Just don't invest more than you can afford to lose. Smiley
628  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Peter Saddington becomes One of the first persons to buy a Lamborghini with BTC on: October 13, 2017, 10:21:03 AM
Interesting. To me, BTC's value is also there, buying properties with BTC, buying expensive cars with BTC, I don't really believe BTC will one day be used to go shopping in supermarkets. However, big investors may want to pay with BTC when they buy a house for instance.

And also, in the future, I believe most bookmakers will accept Bitcoins so that everyone in the world can bet on sports without any restrictions.
629  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Trading bot : I want to make 1-2% per day on: October 13, 2017, 10:17:15 AM
Hello im looking for a good trading bot, i want to make 1-2% per day its possible?  gunbot is shit , C.A.T also


I dont really see any reliable trading bot existing in their because i dont believe on that since all i was believe all this time that trading needs human interaction where you need to be patience to get profit, but its up to you op if you really finding that one and just be carefull on dealing with people saying they have the thing that you find because mostly of them are scammers.
630  Local / Économie et spéculation / Re: Arrivée du hard-fork de novembre et fin des haricots? on: October 13, 2017, 10:11:04 AM
Ce sera la fin du Bitcoin pour la 248ieme fois. Smiley
631  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Silver on: October 13, 2017, 10:06:44 AM
Bitburger
632  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Main problem for mass-adoption? on: October 13, 2017, 09:59:38 AM


Hi guys!

When i speak with a mutual friend about buying bitcoin, they all say to me, that they don't have enough to invest in. Not because they are poor, just because they think they only can buy a WHOLE BTC at one time. They don't know that they could even invest like 100$ and having an ammount of mBTC or even satoshis.

I would appreciate to read your thoughts about this topic!

greetz Twelve.
Hi Mr Twelve Smiley
I think Btc is still considered as a "geek thing", but young generations adapt quickly.

Interesting article here about your concern > https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/20/whats-keeping-cryptocurrencies-from-mass-adoption/

Speculators flocked to Bitcoin and many of the alt-coins in hopes of getting in early and making a big exit, but everyday users haven’t warmed to cryptocurrencies.

There are many reasons why, but one of the largest barriers to mainstream adoption is the price volatility of cryptocurrencies.

So the question is, why do the prices change so much in the first place? It comes down to supply and demand: Most cryptocurrencies have only a fixed total supply, and yet demand for the coins is uncertain and constantly fluctuating thanks to speculation.

Of course, it’s easy enough to talk about the problem — coming up with a solution is quite another matter.

Why is stability so important?

The need for stability is not unique to cryptocurrency. Any currency needs to be stable in order to be used as a trusted medium of exchange. The more that prices rise and fall, the more ordinary people will shy away from using the coins for everyday transactions.

Whether they hoard the coins in the hope that prices will rise sharply soon, or they avoid using them altogether for fear that they will lose all of their value, people are not yet accustomed to seeing cryptocurrency as real money.

Worse, the unpredictability of prices wreaks havoc on regular money services, like remittance, currency conversion, and the use of ATMs. In order to use cryptocurrencies, businesses have to hedge their risks by charging exorbitant fees.

Bitcoin ATMs can charge up to 15 percent just to convert to fiat currency. This totally defeats the original purpose of cryptocurrencies, which was to offer a cheaper and more flexible alternative to other payment methods. With no advantage over government-printed money, why would the average person use them?

Patience is a virtue

Price volatility has plagued Bitcoin from nearly the beginning. With what we have learned over the better part of a decade, why have cryptocurrencies still not solved this problem of fluctuating prices?

Human nature gets in the way, as it tends to do. It is difficult to stabilize prices in a world where people would rather play the market and get instant gratification by re-selling their coins for as high a price as possible. Without careful planning from the very onset of a cryptocurrency’s existence, it’s hard to recover from the effects of speculation.


Image: JaaakWorks/iStock/Getty Images

Phase 1: Building a stable ecosystem

When building a cryptocurrency from scratch, you first need a solid foundation. From this foundation, the currency can grow and self-correct as it develops.

Gauging demand

The first piece of the puzzle is being able to reliably predict demand. Uncertainty around demand is the main cause of price fluctuation, as every user’s intentions are a mystery to every other user. Having a way to gauge real demand for a coin would go a long way in fixing this problem.

The issue with predicting demand, though, is the existence of speculators creating artificial demand. This is the core of the problem: With so much speculation, the price for the cryptocurrency will not reflect its actual usage and demand. It simply becomes a bubble that is constantly on the verge of bursting, and no one wants to risk their hard-earned money on that.

Traditionally, the solution to the problem of stability was to have a central bank. The government could then alter the money supply at will, for example by causing inflation. Cryptocurrencies are by definition decentralized — that is part of their advantage — and without a central bank they need an entirely new approach when it comes to squashing volatility. They need to do this without compromising the freedom of the users and without resorting to inflation.

Cooperation over competition: A decentralized community

“United we stand, divided we fall.”

What if there was a currency that encouraged people to cooperate? What if people were incentivized by a spirit of growth, rather than of greed? Under the ideal model, a network of cooperative businesses and services would coordinate with each other as a single unit. The coin would be shaped democratically by this co-op (shaped not controlled). Every user would have incentives to help the network grow as a whole, and the use of a blockchain would help make the process be fair.

Instead of rampant online speculation, users would visit local exchanges to buy and sell the currency. The community as a whole would vote on when to increase the coin’s price, which would keep things democratic and guard against sharp spikes.



Official local exchanges

Having to look other users in the eye can make a world of difference. Face-to-face exchanges at trusted locations means that the sale of a coin can be more easily limited, and this can act as a throttle to gauge demand. People on the “front lines,” seeing the real demand for the coin in person, can then vote to increase the price. Having stable locations to exchange the currency also creates consistency. It removes the guessing game of wondering where you can buy and sell your coin.

The advantages are not just purely economic, either. Cryptocurrencies don’t exactly have the best reputation thanks to their penchant for attracting unscrupulous people. Unethical or illegal businesses will tend to be voted out of cooperative networks with face-to-face exchanges, however, which can go a long way toward legitimizing the currency. It would still be possible to run such enterprises of course, but they would never be part of the co-op.

Local exchange dominance

This kind of approach can only work if there are dramatically more local exchanges than online exchanges. It would mean that the local exchanges would dictate the pricing of the currency.

Marketing early can be disastrous

Marketing is a powerful force, and as such it needs to be handled with care. On the one hand, founders naturally want to attract investment early on. This will raise the price of the coin and help pay for infrastructure, as well as boost the growth of the coin. On the other hand, historically the earliest investors in cryptocurrency have been extremely low quality — they are the speculators who doom the currency in the long run and scare away mainstream users.

With speculation, capital infusion is needed to keep the currency stable, which can be a significant task. Take Bitcoin for instance: With a market cap of roughly $20 billion, it would need a huge amount of capital to have a stable floor.



Slow and steady wins the race

Cryptocurrencies are still in their infancy, and it’s hard to tell where the path for most of the major currencies is headed. What is the “finish line” that they are aiming for? What will the end game be? Most cryptocurrencies have little direction besides the whims of the market, so there’s no telling where they will end up. However, there are a handful of interesting coins that have invested in strategies that nudge them in a specific direction.

The central app coin method

This is a strategy that is centered around creating value with unique products and services that are associated with the currency. In this way, you could say that the currency is backed by something that people actually want.

For example, the MaidSafe network incentivizes users to provide something of value to the network (storage space), and offers the use of apps and services in return for coins. This naturally leads to better cooperation. People want to create value and channel their efforts toward the growth of the currency that they have in common.

The setup and switch method

Similar to the central app strategy, this method establishes a user base first, and then introduces the currency. Bitshares and its array of associated startups is a good example of this. Several networks with varying currencies — Steemit and their STEEM currency, Peerplays and their tokens, for instance — slowly built their user base and value exchange system, and now they plan to adopt a central currency with Bitshares. This allows them to create a stable base first before pooling their resources.

The grassroots movement

Finally, the best way for a currency to create that all-important foundation of true users is through bootstrapping. Just like a business startup, a currency like this would need a user base that believed in a common mission. It would need everyone in the system to be able to see the inherent value of the coin, and to understand that it could be worth much more than the value it is traded for in its early stages.

An example of one of these grassroots efforts is FairCoin. It’s a currency established and led by FairCoop, whose strategy is to build an ecosystem where businesses cooperate to give users maximum value. It is a currency built from the ground up to incentivize the long-term interests of users instead of their short-term greed — not just because it’s the right thing to do, but because it makes sense.

FairCoin focused from the beginning on building infrastructure for everyday users. Because of the strong relationships among members of the co-op, they can have thousands of ATMs, debit cards and exchanges that make mass adoption much easier.

An approach like this allows the currency to slowly build itself in the background without the need for a spotlight and the barrage of speculators that come with it. This offers the huge advantage of stability from the very beginning, though it does pose the problem that FairCoin has to bootstrap with less capital than most coins. Unlike other cryptocurrencies, they can’t rely on CoinMarketCap to sing their praises by displaying artificially rising prices (the effects of speculation).

In other words, FairCoin traded the excitement of volatility and greed for a quiet, long-term stability. The only problem is that people might not notice! Drama catches the human eye, after all.



Hard forks

Let’s take a look at the hard fork that looms in the horizon for Bitcoin. As if things weren’t complicated enough, now there could be two competing chains for the currency. There are already many technical barriers to Bitcoin’s adoption among mainstream users, and this is yet another one. This makes the price even more uncertain, and uncertainty is like poison for a currency.

On the other hand, if you have a large community and a co-op on top of an immutable blockchain, then a hard fork is extremely unlikely — and unnecessary. Cryptocurrencies like MaidSafe, Bitshares and FairCoin all represent solid communities that are incentivized to cooperate instead of speculate. This means that the coin can be worth more than its market price; it has a high inherent value within the system itself.

This makes it so that users have very little reason to defect from the existing community. A hard fork would mean giving up many benefits of the co-op, so people stay loyal to the original vision of the currency. When something deeper than just greed ties a community, hard forks don’t occur as often.

Conclusion

Stable prices don’t just happen by accident. They are not a miracle of the market — they require a carefully constructed foundation. A stable currency needs a stable ecosystem first.

While it’s tempting to market the currency too soon because capital injection can do a lot to raise prices in those critical early periods, it’s better to wait. Advertising is like opening up Pandora’s box and inviting the world to look inside. Some of those users will be interested in the actual currency, but others will be undesirable speculators that just leech off the system. For a currency to be stable, it needs to be used by “the 99%,” not just a handful of investors.

A currency needs to grow with the people, not past them. Look at the state of Bitcoin and its inflated prices. The everyday person can no longer either mine the coin or expect to use the coin in everyday transactions without high fees or risk. It has been given up to the speculators.

With a truly stable currency, on the other hand, you can have currency conversion, remittance, ATM withdrawals and other financial services with lower fees than fiat systems. In other words, it can be used as intended — as money. This is what will ultimately attract a mainstream audience and will actually incentivize them to make the switch to cryptocurrency.
633  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will bitcoin end? on: October 13, 2017, 09:13:33 AM
Bitcoin’s end has been predicted by many people in the past, on various occasions. These predictions have themselves become so predictable that every time there is a development in the cryptocurrency network or market conditions, someone or the other will start prophesizing its end.

And then, there is the standard argument about guns, drugs, contraband, etc., on the dark web which can be bought with Bitcoin. Money laundering, illegal gambling, that people are allegedly doing with Bitcoin. But Bitcoin is not anonymous, it is pseudonymous, and some companies have already developed technology to track the transactions on Bitcoin blockchain.

All the other illegal activities where the cryptocurrency is involved existed even before it was created and they were all fueled by hard cash at that time!
634  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Buy altcoins or not? on: October 13, 2017, 08:44:46 AM
Everybody gets Inn for the free hardfork coins. Altcoins are suffering but one of the Altcoins that will go up at the end of the month is Decent. look at the official Decent Twitter page.
635  Local / Hors-sujet / Re: Comment augmenter son rang (rapidement mais sérieusement) on: October 13, 2017, 08:07:00 AM
Et faites des posts assez longs, et pas trop bidons, si vous voulez être accepté dans les bonnes campagnes.

Même en respectant de mon point de vue ces conseils, je n'ai pas réussi à être accepté pour ma part, jusqu'à ce que je tente DeepOnion.
Salut
ca te rapporte un peu DeepOnion? Tu peux esperer combien sur 1 mois en moyenne?
636  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tracking all my bets (tennis/soccer) for 2017/2018 ..... on: October 13, 2017, 08:01:48 AM
Thanks, I will think about it  Wink

No worries, long time til it commences - 2018 season wont start until march.
Yes bro.
Please remind me next year when it is starting.
637  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC 5840 heading to $8K by Oct 25th I predict on: October 13, 2017, 05:12:06 AM
1470 in 1 week is huge, massive.
Next step is 7000.
638  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dutch man gambles on Bitcoin by selling everything his family owns on: October 13, 2017, 02:26:06 AM
20,000 at the end of 2020 is reachable IMO.
639  Economy / Speculation / Dutch man gambles on Bitcoin by selling everything his family owns on: October 13, 2017, 02:20:01 AM
Interesting article from bitcoinist http://bitcoinist.com/dutch-man-gambles-bitcoin-selling-everything-family-owns/

A man from the Netherlands is betting that the value of Bitcoin will multiply in the upcoming years, and he has sold everything his family owns to make that bet.

A lot of people are betting on Bitcoin becoming even more accepted and entrenched in the marketplace, even global financial institutions like Goldman Sachs. However, one man in the Netherlands is really going out on a limb on the perceived rosy future for Bitcoin. Didi Taihuttu, age 39, has sold everything that his family owned and moved them all, including his wife and three daughters, into a campground.

Didi Taihuttu decided to take the plunge and invest everything his family owns in Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. To that end, he sold off his home, car, motorbike, children’s toys, clothes, and other family items. The Dutchman fervently believes that blockchain technology and cryptocurrency are fundamentally changing the role of banks in society. As for his decision to take a leap of faith and sell everything for Bitcoin, Didi Taihuttu said:

People will say, ‘You’re crazy. But we are an adventurous family and are going to gamble for a moment to live minimalist lives. If you never take a risk, life is boring…The Internet was a revolution for information. I think that blockchain and cryptocurrency are revolutionizing the monetary system. In five years’ time, everyone will say: ‘We could have seen it coming.’ I am responding to this change now.
NO STRANGER TO DRASTIC LIFE CHANGES

Didi Taihuttu is no stranger to making major alterations to his family’s life. He once mined Bitcoin back in 2013 but stopped when the digital currency’s price dropped, and he sold all his assets (both virtual and real) off. He then got into Dogecoin but stopped when that currency’s price dropped as well. After his father died early in 2016, he decided to sell his business and take his family on an extended trip around the world.

Everything that the Taihuttu family owned is being sold for exchange into Bitcoin.
It was on this global trip that he became aware of how much cryptocurrency had ascended. He saw how many people were now using digital coins for everyday transactions, and he began talking with people involved in cryptocurrency trading. Then a friend called him and told him that his Dogecoin was now worth ten to twenty times their previous value.

Once the family returned home, Didi Taihuttu decided to take the plunge and invest everything his family had into Bitcoin (but after discussing it with his wife first!). The plan is to cut back to the bare bones on every facet of their existence and bet everything on Bitcoin. Of the potential future value of Bitcoin, Taihuttu says:

Our expectation is that the value of one Bitcoin will rise to between 12,000 and 20,000 [Euros] over the next three years. If this is true, then we can live for a long time like this without the pressure of needing to work.
Didi Taihuttu and his family will follow the plan until 2020. So far, he sold his home for 85 bitcoins, and the price of Bitcoin did rise sharply today. It reached over $5000 and currently sits at $5443 at the time of this article’s writing. It’ll be interesting to see how he fares over the next few years, but you do have to respect a family that is willing to live in tents with few possessions over the short-term in the hope of long-term prosperity.

Do you think Didi Taihuttu is smart by selling off everything or is he nuts? How far will Bitcoin go up, or possibly down, in the future?
640  Economy / Speculation / Re: $5000 is already breached on: October 13, 2017, 02:18:09 AM
Interesting article from bitcoinist http://bitcoinist.com/dutch-man-gambles-bitcoin-selling-everything-family-owns/

A man from the Netherlands is betting that the value of Bitcoin will multiply in the upcoming years, and he has sold everything his family owns to make that bet.

A lot of people are betting on Bitcoin becoming even more accepted and entrenched in the marketplace, even global financial institutions like Goldman Sachs. However, one man in the Netherlands is really going out on a limb on the perceived rosy future for Bitcoin. Didi Taihuttu, age 39, has sold everything that his family owned and moved them all, including his wife and three daughters, into a campground.

Didi Taihuttu decided to take the plunge and invest everything his family owns in Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. To that end, he sold off his home, car, motorbike, children’s toys, clothes, and other family items. The Dutchman fervently believes that blockchain technology and cryptocurrency are fundamentally changing the role of banks in society. As for his decision to take a leap of faith and sell everything for Bitcoin, Didi Taihuttu said:

People will say, ‘You’re crazy. But we are an adventurous family and are going to gamble for a moment to live minimalist lives. If you never take a risk, life is boring…The Internet was a revolution for information. I think that blockchain and cryptocurrency are revolutionizing the monetary system. In five years’ time, everyone will say: ‘We could have seen it coming.’ I am responding to this change now.
NO STRANGER TO DRASTIC LIFE CHANGES

Didi Taihuttu is no stranger to making major alterations to his family’s life. He once mined Bitcoin back in 2013 but stopped when the digital currency’s price dropped, and he sold all his assets (both virtual and real) off. He then got into Dogecoin but stopped when that currency’s price dropped as well. After his father died early in 2016, he decided to sell his business and take his family on an extended trip around the world.

Everything that the Taihuttu family owned is being sold for exchange into Bitcoin.
It was on this global trip that he became aware of how much cryptocurrency had ascended. He saw how many people were now using digital coins for everyday transactions, and he began talking with people involved in cryptocurrency trading. Then a friend called him and told him that his Dogecoin was now worth ten to twenty times their previous value.

Once the family returned home, Didi Taihuttu decided to take the plunge and invest everything his family had into Bitcoin (but after discussing it with his wife first!). The plan is to cut back to the bare bones on every facet of their existence and bet everything on Bitcoin. Of the potential future value of Bitcoin, Taihuttu says:

Our expectation is that the value of one Bitcoin will rise to between 12,000 and 20,000 [Euros] over the next three years. If this is true, then we can live for a long time like this without the pressure of needing to work.
Didi Taihuttu and his family will follow the plan until 2020. So far, he sold his home for 85 bitcoins, and the price of Bitcoin did rise sharply today. It reached over $5000 and currently sits at $5443 at the time of this article’s writing. It’ll be interesting to see how he fares over the next few years, but you do have to respect a family that is willing to live in tents with few possessions over the short-term in the hope of long-term prosperity.

Do you think Didi Taihuttu is smart by selling off everything or is he nuts? How far will Bitcoin go up, or possibly down, in the future?
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