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641  Other / Meta / Re: philipma1957 and default trust on: January 09, 2015, 10:54:45 PM
hey guys I am on the site constantly for more then two years.  How about a pm or two for a heads up. Rather then starting a thread that attacks me

Frankly I did not ask for the promotion to the default list.  And I don't want to defend myself here.

As for positive and amount risked.  If you send me 1 btc for a miner you may never get the miner so you risked 1 btc.

If I mail you a good miner and you say it is dead I am risking the same 1btc Since I always send a replacement .

I will look into the list as  it is long and covers many people I have removed a few names upon request and I am certainly willing to check it over more closely.

As to putting coins risked  if the deal worked both ways I am leaving the trust in since I fully back my gear up when I sell it .

As I am at risk to someone lying about the gear that I sold to them.

It appears that philipma1957 was recently added at default trust depth 1, resulting in users in his trust list being added to depth 2. The problem with this is that his trust list seems to be entirely composed of users who have left him positive feedback, resulting in 44 trusted positive feedback and only 5 untrusted feedback, a pretty abnormal ratio. In addition to the fact that this manipulates his trust rating to look higher than it should be, there is also the problem that many of these users have no business being at default trust depth 2, just for completing one transaction with philip. Here are a few of the best examples:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=331147  

so why is this wrong?  we made a deal he paid me took the gear and said it worked.  if he lied and said it was bad  I am out a miner and a psu.  he could have said I want to return the gear and swapped a bad miner and a bad psu.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=130725  why is this wrong I sold him a miner looks like  i did not give him a trust he gave me one.   I may have missed posting a trust back .  now you say I should not give a trust back I did not.

So in your first 2 examples I did  both sides of the fence 1 was a trust in 2 directions 1 was a trust in 1 direction.

Which one is correct?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=155793


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=125012
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=364659

There are many more accounts like these in his trust list that I did not bother posting, if you don't believe me, go take a look at the rest of his trust list. I understand that he probably created his trust list before being added to default trust, so I held off on posting this for a few days in case he didn't know he was now at depth 1. I believe he has removed 2 users since then, which means he has noticed but decided not to prune the majority of the list. I don't think he should continue to be at depth 1 if he refuses to be more selective with his trust list, and I think others will agree with me on this.

I'm sorry if this came off as an attack thread, it isn't, I actually don't think you had any malicious intentions when you added all these people to your list. As I said in the first post, you probably added these people as you did business with them, which is understandable.

The reason I made this thread instead of PMing you is because you had already removed people from your list, so I assumed you were aware of the fact you were now at depth 1 and had made a decision to keep it as is. No one doubts that you are trustworthy and deserve to be at depth 1, I just disagreed with the degree of trust you were placing in a large number of relatively unproven people, and most people agree with me here. There is added responsibility at the level of default trust you are at, and people who are fine to keep on your list normally should face more scrutiny once their ratings count at depth 2. Making this thread accomplished this, and I don't think it has hurt your reputation, since everyone understands that you had no bad intentions.
642  Other / Meta / philipma1957 and default trust on: January 09, 2015, 11:10:14 AM
It appears that philipma1957 was recently added at default trust depth 1, resulting in users in his trust list being added to depth 2. The problem with this is that his trust list seems to be entirely composed of users who have left him positive feedback, resulting in 44 trusted positive feedback and only 5 untrusted feedback, a pretty abnormal ratio. In addition to the fact that this manipulates his trust rating to look higher than it should be, there is also the problem that many of these users have no business being at default trust depth 2, just for completing one transaction with philip. Here are a few of the best examples:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=331147
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=130725
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=155793
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=125012
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=364659

There are many more accounts like these in his trust list that I did not bother posting, if you don't believe me, go take a look at the rest of his trust list. I understand that he probably created his trust list before being added to default trust, so I held off on posting this for a few days in case he didn't know he was now at depth 1. I believe he has removed 2 users since then, which means he has noticed but decided not to prune the majority of the list. I don't think he should continue to be at depth 1 if he refuses to be more selective with his trust list, and I think others will agree with me on this.
643  Economy / Services / Re: Free Escrow Service. on: January 09, 2015, 09:56:56 AM
You should not be offering to escrow a transaction that you are not able to cover if something goes wrong. Do you have any proof of funds to reimburse your customers in case there is a mistake on your end?
644  Economy / Auctions / Re: [Just-Dice.com] UID 1470 on: January 09, 2015, 01:16:30 AM
I still think you should yolo it Tongue

One last time!

 Undecided bb do not put that evil in my head.

You should use it for this instead Smiley
645  Economy / Services / Re: CloudMining.website Signature Campaign - Highest paid weekly campaign [Escrowed] on: January 09, 2015, 12:23:51 AM
a. User ID in www.cloudmining.website: 3734
b. Bitcointalk.org User Name: MadZ
c. Bitcointalk.org Total Post Count: 260
d. Bitcoin Address: 1Khe56BLQTn9MnRiLiKKMfsdKJ4AgGep7S
646  Other / Meta / Re: Akka - Default trust account hacked! - confirmed 2x on: January 08, 2015, 09:23:17 AM
I can confirm account Akka was hacked (I informed theymos right away, thanks for acting, theymos), I bet he had a gmx-address registered with the forum.

My gmx account has been repeatedly taken over (about 6-8 times) since around Dec 16th.

How did the hacker know your email address associated with your account? Was it publicly known prior?

I'm assuming he got it from the mtgox leak back in 2011 (or was it 2012?). It's very likely someone using gox in 2011 also has a btctalk account... and a valuable one at that Wink

That's what I'd do if I had that exploit and was a black hat: take all gmx addresses from that leak and attack those dudes... there might be some bitcoins to be had.

I don't think Akka would be on the old mtgox leak, he signed up on bitcointalk in June 2012, the leak was way before that.

I heard a suspicious rumor that it was somehow possible in some cases to reset the password of GMX accounts by using the persons date of birth only. I haven't checked it out because I don't have an account there, but it might be a good idea to look into it. Regardless everyone should stop using GMX, they're obviously very incompetent.

Akka revealed his email in this post, they probably got it from there.

Machst du mit? Wenn ja: In welcher Stadt bis du? Wärst du bereit das ganze (wenn ja mit wie viel BTC etwa?) mit zu finanzieren? Wäre es OK wenn ich deinen Kontakt an andere aus deiner Stadt weitergebe, damit ich möglichst einen einzigen Ansprechpartner pro Stadt habe wenn es an die Verteilung geht?  (Als Nebeneffekt entstehen so vielleicht sogar ein paar lokale Bitcoin Communitys).
Falls du das nur liest und nicht im Forum bist, scheibe mir eine Mail: Ak-ka@gmx.net
647  Economy / Lending / Re: Quickseller Short Term Loans [collateral] on: January 08, 2015, 09:19:01 AM
newbie bad trust asking for loan. quick seller = vod wanna be  Cheesy

More people should give negative trust for this, Vod has just been the only one who does it most of the time. Good to see others doing the same.
648  Other / Meta / Re: Akka - Default trust account hacked! - confirmed 2x on: January 08, 2015, 05:21:44 AM
Why wouldn't I cooperate? Blatant simple. I didn't even have access to any default trust accounts and if I did I would not have sold it but rather keep it to myself.

You were saying?
649  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Anyone OFfer User Verification anymore? on: January 07, 2015, 10:55:05 AM
Assuming ID is real, someone scams you from the other side of the world. Then what?

You can do more than if you do not have their ID. ID does not guarantee trustworthiness, but given the choice between ID and no ID, ID is obviously preferable and can mean something.
650  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Wanting to start buying BTC Via paypal. on: January 07, 2015, 04:57:01 AM
Frankly, looking to build trust. And would like to establish the means to buy BTC off paypal for the long run.

I hope you understand that this is a bad reason to buy coins and will probably result in you receiving negative trust.
651  Other / Meta / Re: Replacing DefaultTrust on: January 06, 2015, 11:19:55 PM
Here are the 50 users with the most points using the algorithm I described. The top 30 are always the ones suggested, but their order is randomized.

Code:
theymos         |     471.3498 |
Tomatocage      |     192.7250 |
dooglus         |     181.7917 |
BadBear         |     180.2750 |
CanaryInTheMine |     153.0830 |
HostFat         |     144.6331 |
gmaxwell        |     133.5581 |
Akka            |     109.1663 |
BCB             |     104.3748 |
escrow.ms       |     101.2499 |
phantastisch    |      99.6915 |
ghibly79        |      65.8998 |
Michail1        |      65.2249 |
Maidak          |      62.5085 |
Sampey          |      61.8499 |
BigBitz         |      58.6833 |
ziomik          |      58.1333 |
malevolent      |      52.4748 |
sublime5447     |      52.4665 |
Stemby          |      51.0416 |
Dabs            |      48.2251 |
Nightowlace     |      47.6417 |
klintay         |      46.5750 |
Raize           |      44.0998 |
bitpop          |      43.7249 |
fhh             |      40.5083 |
zefir           |      39.2083 |
squall1066      |      38.5001 |
philipma1957    |      38.4251 |
PsychoticBoy    |      35.5750 |
KWH             |      35.5581 |
terrapinflyer   |      34.8666 |
binaryFate      |      33.8332 |
Bicknellski     |      33.5084 |
DebitMe         |      30.1501 |
elasticband     |      29.8501 |
TECSHARE        |      29.3915 |
LouReed         |      28.9249 |
2weiX           |      28.6999 |
ManeBjorn       |      27.5749 |
miaviator       |      27.3333 |
androz          |      26.2500 |
bobsag3         |      25.9415 |
nachius         |      25.2916 |
CoinHoarder     |      23.3749 |
mrbrt           |      23.1249 |
EnJoyThis       |      22.5167 |
WEB slicer      |      20.3749 |
Rub3n           |      20.0251 |
Ente            |      18.9750 |
----------------+--------------+

A quick glance shows that I'm not one of the 50 most trusted members here? That's somewhat shocking to me. I also see that bobsag3 who openly scammed me and had his original username scammer tagged is on the list, adding positive trust for companies like Black Arrow who have stolen hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars from this community.  Very disturbing because I thought the trust system we had in place was working out great and holding up well as evidenced by BFL_Josh's failed trust sabotage experiment. If you pay close attention to your trust network and use it appropriately, it is quite accurate in my opinion. I worry that this new method is already off to a bad start when I see known repeat scammers on the list who would give newbies a positive trust rating for companies like Black Arrow. Again, I just took a quick glance.

While I dislike the proposed system, I will explain why you are not in the top 50 under the example theymos posted, and there is a legitimate reason for it. People gain points on that list by being added to someone's trust list manually. Since you are at depth 1, few people have had any reason to add you to their personal trust lists, so you have a very low score. As you can see, many users who are high up in the top 50, such as Maidak, simpey, and BigBitz are not in default trust at all. The reason they are so high on this list at the moment is because a lot of people have manually added them to their own trust lists, since they are trusted traders but not in default trust. Their scores would be much lower if they were in default trust, since people would have no reason to manually add them. All trust lists would be reset if the new system was put in place, and you would almost certainly be in the top 10 once you are no longer automatically in people's trust lists.
652  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: Re: popular bitcoin techniques on: January 06, 2015, 10:58:04 PM
3% daily interested is unsustainable, I don't know why people are investing in such an obvious ponzi scheme just because it puts in more effort than most. Learn from history, pirate offered 7% weekly, much less than this, and that was a scam.
653  Other / Meta / Re: VOD PLEASE REMOVE MY NEGATIVE TRUST! on: January 06, 2015, 11:06:28 AM
It has been less than two weeks since you received negative trust, not a month. I would close this thread and PM him (like his signature says to do) when a full month has passed. This thread has only hurt your chances of having it removed, since you ignored his instructions.
654  Other / Meta / Re: Replacing DefaultTrust on: January 06, 2015, 11:03:23 AM
Newbies already forced with Default Trust depth 2 if they don't change it, that's why its default. How couldn't it be better?

There are two main reasons why I think Default Trust is the better alternative. First of all, it is fairly transparent, and this provides for accountability. The trust lists of everyone at depth 1 are public, which has historically kept Default Trust mostly comprised of reputable members. This is not the case with the "suggested trust" list under the new system. People are added onto this list based on the trust lists of everyone over full member. These lists are entirely private and anonymous, unlike direct positive/negative feedback, which I think is dangerous. It would be fairly easy to manipulate the "suggested trust" list as an individual, and even easier as a group. One could essentially buy their way onto the "suggested trust" list by purchasing or creating a decent number of accounts and adding themselves to the accounts' trust lists/negatively trusting other accounts to lower their comparable trust values. People complain that Default Trust is an "old boys network", this will be even more true under the proposed system. It will be very easy for a group of high activity accounts to trust one another and solidify their places in the trust network without actually earning them. Activity has nothing to do with trading and should not be the basis for the underlying trust values accounts hold, which this system seems to suggest it should.

The other issue I see is how difficult it is to actually build one's own trust network from scratch. This isn't an issue to most people debating over the two systems, since we already have a good idea of who we do and do not trust on the forums, regardless of which system is used. This isn't true of a new user. Take a look at someone like Vod's trust without anyone on your trust list (everyone's feedback is untrusted and they are at +0/-0) and no knowledge of the users' histories who have left him trust. I would not add Vod to my personal trust list if I was a new user, since the majority of his feedback is negative, and I have no reason to believe that his positive feedback carries a lot of weight. Obviously, Vod is a very trustworthy user, but you wouldn't know that if you didn't have a history on the forums.

My point here is that Default Trust gives a new user a good starting point about who to trust and who not to trust, while this new system asks them to pick their own "Default Trust" pretty much at random, since they will probably have little reason to pick one name over another. After a few months here, most people have decided in their own minds who they trust and who they don't, whether they have bothered to edit their trust list or not. Forcing people to edit their trust list (which is what the proposed system essentially does) will hurt new users and change nothing for longtime users, so why make this change?
655  Other / Meta / Re: Replacing DefaultTrust on: January 06, 2015, 09:52:14 AM
It's not better than Default Trust, so I voted for No. Forcing newbies to pick people to add to their trust list isn't the way to go.

This. Default Trust might not be perfect, but I don't believe the proposed changes would be an improvement.
656  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTS] CSGO KEY $ 1.5 200+ KEYS ON STOCK NOW ! on: January 06, 2015, 07:38:57 AM
I would like to buy some keys from you if you are willing to use escrow.
657  Economy / Economics / Re: Re: arbitrage trading on: January 06, 2015, 07:35:32 AM
IP Address has been obtained, it is located in Switzerland. Does anyone have any knowledge of legal pursuance that we can enact in that country?

EDIT:
Nevermind, the IP was found to link back to https://www.perfect-privacy.com/... I guess no legal pursuance is available for this guy.
Do you happen to be an alt of the OP? It looks like you left him positive feedback a good week ago, and you somehow knew when they "found" the IP address of the extortionist (I would think they would just look in the headers of the email). Sure they could have told you but I wouldn't think a HYIP site would be giving their investors (aka gamblers) this kind of information.
I left him positive trust because I got my money back from the investment on the HYIP.

I hope you realize that the interest rates offered by this HYIP are unsustainable in the long run. It is inevitable that it will collapse, and you are very naive to give positive trust after withdrawing a small deposit. I think you should remove your trust rating, since having positive trust from a default trusted account will inspire false confidence in investors and cause people to lose more money than they otherwise would have.
658  Economy / Digital goods / Re: arma 2 combined operations. on: January 05, 2015, 09:47:20 PM
How much are you selling it for?
659  Other / Meta / Re: Replacing DefaultTrust on: January 05, 2015, 11:41:52 AM
One of the problems I see with this is how liable it is to be manipulated by purchased accounts, given how numerous they are. It appears that it would be quite easy to add or remove someone from the suggested list with 10 or so accounts with decent activity, if someone wished to do so. It seems to be much more exploitable than the current system, since many people will assume that anyone in the suggested list should be trusted. Also, since trust lists are not public, it will be much harder to tell if someone is manipulating the system than it is right now.
660  Economy / Digital goods / Re: [WTS] CSGO KEY $ 1.6 50 KEYS ON STOCK on: January 05, 2015, 04:19:36 AM
No man. I have a lot of rep in csgorep group.  Add me i will link u through.

Pm me ur steamcommunity id.
but you are newbie ,same with me ,we can trade one key per once,if you afraid be scam $1.6 but want cheap price ,you should found another suppliers . Wink

And escrow won't solve this problem? Monbux I heard can cover steam related items. Send him a PM if you are serious about doing business.

There is no need to find an escrow that deals specifically with steam items, since the escrow never has to actually hold them. The buyer sends BTC to the escrow, which the escrow releases to the seller once the buyer confirms that the seller has sent them the keys.
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