Israel needs security guarantees. I would personally like to see Israel get 2 Los Angeles Class submarines, 10 F-22s, and 20 F-35s in exchange for pulling out of the West Bank. Receiving these advanced weapons systems would be contingent on Israel immediately withdrawing all settlers from the West Bank.
Israel largely isn't in the West Bank because of security concerns; thus offering them "security guarantees" wouldn't do much to promote their withdrawal. Israel would be between 6 to 10 miles wide if it withdrew from the West Bank. But giving them 2 nuclear-powered attack submarines to defend their Mediterranean coast, and F-22 and F-35 fighter jets to defend themselves from attacks coming from Gaza and from Lebanon might make them reconsider having a military presence in the West Bank. Israel largely isn't in the West Bank because of security concerns; thus offering them "security guarantees" wouldn't do much to promote their withdrawal. I kind of repeated myself, didn't I? I think it was important enough to repeat. But what do you personally think of my plan? I think it is time to give Israel true security guarantees in exchange for territorial concessions. Why? So they can then use those weapons to retake the territory as soon as one extremist lobs a few missiles at them? I can understand Israel wanting to defend itself, but throwing more American money at them when they've proven any pull-outs they agree to are always temporary, and dropped at the first sign of any violence from Palestinians, is not the way to go about this. Both parties need to be brought to the table to find a real resolution. I don't know what that resolution is, but throwing more American money away with armaments to Israel in exchange for temporary territorial concessions isn't it. Israel doesn't retake territory. Israel gave up the entire Sinai Peninsula and Gaza already. It hasn't retaken any territory. Israel is the only country told to give back territory it won in defensive wars. 1.) No it isn't. 2.) Israel launched the first strike in the 6 Day War 3.) It hasn't given up Gaza. It merely removed its settlements there in order to stall the peace process. |
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Israel needs security guarantees. I would personally like to see Israel get 2 Los Angeles Class submarines, 10 F-22s, and 20 F-35s in exchange for pulling out of the West Bank. Receiving these advanced weapons systems would be contingent on Israel immediately withdrawing all settlers from the West Bank.
Israel largely isn't in the West Bank because of security concerns; thus offering them "security guarantees" wouldn't do much to promote their withdrawal. Israel would be between 6 to 10 miles wide if it withdrew from the West Bank. But giving them 2 nuclear-powered attack submarines to defend their Mediterranean coast, and F-22 and F-35 fighter jets to defend themselves from attacks coming from Gaza and from Lebanon might make them reconsider having a military presence in the West Bank. Israel largely isn't in the West Bank because of security concerns; thus offering them "security guarantees" wouldn't do much to promote their withdrawal. I kind of repeated myself, didn't I? I think it was important enough to repeat. But what do you personally think of my plan? I think it is time to give Israel true security guarantees in exchange for territorial concessions. Why? So they can then use those weapons to retake the territory as soon as one extremist lobs a few missiles at them? I can understand Israel wanting to defend itself, but throwing more American money at them when they've proven any pull-outs they agree to are always temporary, and dropped at the first sign of any violence from Palestinians, is not the way to go about this. Both parties need to be brought to the table to find a real resolution. I don't know what that resolution is, but throwing more American money away with armaments to Israel in exchange for temporary territorial concessions isn't it. |
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Here is a simple fact that the right apparently doesn't know or refuses to understand. Hundred of flight of commercial aviation have flown that route. Now we know that the insurgents have shot down other planes. Or at least they claim to.
Now the kicker is that our capitalist corporations choose to fly over the dangerous area rather than to spend the extra money to fly around this area. Money is what got these people killed. It gave the insurgents the opportunity to shot them down.
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The thing is, The U.S., along with Russia, signed a treaty with Ukraine that stipulates that if they give up their nuclear weapons arsenal both the U.S. and Russia would protect Ukraine's territorial integrity. That went out the window when Russia literally took Crimea by force and how Russia is now supporting separatists in the Donetsk region.
Interesting how you hardly hear anything about that agreement in the media. Because the agreement is nothing serious. It's not a defense treaty, just the us would go to the un to complain if ukraine was invaded |
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I understand that it is not realistic currently, but I think Israel should withdraw from the West Bank and the Arab League should put its troops in Gaza and the West Bank to patrol them after Israel leaves the West Bank. What is more likely to happen is UN troops will go into the West Bank the way UN troops patrolled the Israel-Lebanon border after the war of 2006.
Egypt should take Gaza and Jordan west bank Any solution I can think of to this conflict, isn't worth Israel taking at the moment. As far as I can tell, why would Israel want to change the status quo when basically all they have to do is deal with a barrage of rocket attacks every year or two, with minimal Israeli casualites? The alternative is an extreme risk to their security (compared to now). It doesn't really have too much to do with security. If it did, a two state solution would have been hammered out years ago. The only Palestinian winners of the status quo are those who seek to promote further violence against Israel. Other big winners of continued conflict include Salafi jihadist groups and al Qaeda. Also: conflict generally isn't good for security. |
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One American citizen who held dual citizenship and spent most of his life in the Netherlands.But we still stick our nose in it.
It helps us (The United States) strategically if Ukraine joins the EU and eventually NATO. I personally think Ukraine should have a good relationship with both the US/Europe as well as with Russia. This would be the best thing for Ukrainian interests; to work with both groups, that is. That's all fine and dandy, but we'll be issuing more sanctions to Moscow and there will be an attempt to ride the "but flight 17!" rhetoric all the way to boots on the ground. True. But this is Russia (2nd most powerful military on Earth) we are talking about. Not Al Qaeda or the Taliban, or Iraqi insurgents. This would get bloody if we put our boots on ground. I can see surrounding countries gettting involved as well, leading to another big European war. Never thought I would see it in my lifetime. Hopefully I (we) won't see it. |
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One American citizen who held dual citizenship and spent most of his life in the Netherlands.But we still stick our nose in it.
It helps us (The United States) strategically if Ukraine joins the EU and eventually NATO. I personally think Ukraine should have a good relationship with both the US/Europe as well as with Russia. This would be the best thing for Ukrainian interests; to work with both groups, that is. |
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I was on my way to home when I heard the plane got shot down. So weird that over 180 ppl living so close died. Rip to all 298 people..
The worst pain is on the families of the dead’s people ...not to know exactly who is responsible for this mass murder,the fact that the separatist taking the bodies and take autopsy on it without any approval,the fact that all the victims credit cards\money\valuable stuff are stolen.....tragic! |
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If Ukraine operates these weapons systems as well, could the pro-Russian separatists have stolen one of them and used it?
Partially right. They tried from some time to improve their anti-air arsenal since the rebels main losses came from air hits, shellings bombings and so on. Now if they got parts of that missile system or a entire one, who the fuck knows, anything is possible. But ukraineans did it. Common sense. Personally im almost sure of it. ps: the rebels got light support from Russians as i know. No way missiles and shit like that. It was an incident created by Ukraine because recently they foulishly started an open conflict with russians and from there their fate was sealed. What will happen, remains to be seen, but from this point on i can say not even concrete proofs would make me belief otherwise. ps2: american media is pure shit. The truth? about this event? can be found, who the fuck knows where, maybe in another galaxy but not on cnn.... |
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So far, Vladimir Putin of Russia has stated that it is Ukraine's fault because it happened on Ukrainian soil and Ukraine should be responsible for what happens on its soil. He also stated that if Ukraine hadn't conducted military operations in its east then none of this would have happened.
It's interesting to note how many times the word "Blayt", translated from Russian to English as "Whore", was used in those audios of the separatists talking about the shootdown of a civilian plane.
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but to answer to your question :cheese with fresh tomatoes,sea salt,a few drops of virgin olive oil , some basil and french toast....delicious and healthy .....yammmy
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Eww... say goodbye to your coronary arteries I guess  Doesn't exactly sound very healthy. And I personally also don't care for the ingredients. But that's just my taste and it's totally fine if you like it  before it gets to his coronary arteries will surely fucked up his liver with all that fat from cheese and butter......cheese+butter=fat+fat........enjoy it! |
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I'd also have to disagree a bit on their interpretation of the data. They say in one of their slides that a two state solution is 'suddenly in the minority' but their was no two state solution option given as a possible response to the question, nor was the question about the resolution of conflict between Israel and Palestine.
That's true, but the question about the main goal for five years is pretty telling.. but your point about reactionism and a true lasting trend is well taken. It would be cool if israel somehow pursued this. but it's not reasonable to expect in the near future. At first glance perhaps, but that is a matter of ideology and doesn't really have much bearing on peace talks and what is going wrong with them (though it could have the potential but there isn't enough info given to connect the two). The trouble is the poll doesn't offer any meaningful connection between that expressed ideology and how it impacts views on peace talks with Israel; the poll also suffers from a lack of definitions. It would be nice if they had actually asked Palestinians if they would support a two state solution based on 1967 borders. I think this goes back to the reconciliation issue that Palestinians tend to favor at a little over 60% or even higher given some sort of mutual economic relationship. Overall, yes, we do see the hardline largely youth movement that is very militant and wants to drive Israel into the sea, but the vast majority of Palestinians seem to largely just want to be treated as humans and enjoy basic rights and freedoms that they have been increasingly denied since the late 30's to late 40's. It's one of the things that especially makes Israeli opinion polls tough to read. Military fervor can swing widely in Israel depending on the current domestic discourse of the day. It can make it difficult to really peg long run trending opinions down. I think this goes back to the reconciliation issue that Palestinians tend to favor at a little over 60% or even higher given some sort of mutual economic relationship. Overall, yes, we do see the hardline largely youth movement that is very militant and wants to drive Israel into the sea, but the vast majority of Palestinians seem to largely just want to be treated as humans and enjoy basic rights and freedoms that they have been increasingly denied since the late 30's to late 40's. |
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What they omitted to tell you and has been corroborated by the Snowden leaked documents, is the fact the government employs social media trolls who’s sole function is to change public opinion and discredit opponents.
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Well, once again, Putin takes a fall. Now he is faced with either looking like someone who would allow his puppets, on the sly, to shoot down a plane, OR he looks like someone who can't control his puppets.
lol ,what Putin has to do with the disappearing of the first Malaysian plane? I don\t know if is a coincidence between those 2 airplanes but one thing is for sure,i will never travel with Malaysian airplanes,i think this company is now the most unsecured airplane company in the world. |
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I'd also have to disagree a bit on their interpretation of the data. They say in one of their slides that a two state solution is 'suddenly in the minority' but their was no two state solution option given as a possible response to the question, nor was the question about the resolution of conflict between Israel and Palestine.
That's true, but the question about the main goal for five years is pretty telling.. but your point about reactionism and a true lasting trend is well taken. It would be cool if israel somehow pursued this. but it's not reasonable to expect in the near future. At first glance perhaps, but that is a matter of ideology and doesn't really have much bearing on peace talks and what is going wrong with them (though it could have the potential but there isn't enough info given to connect the two). The trouble is the poll doesn't offer any meaningful connection between that expressed ideology and how it impacts views on peace talks with Israel; the poll also suffers from a lack of definitions. It would be nice if they had actually asked Palestinians if they would support a two state solution based on 1967 borders. I think this goes back to the reconciliation issue that Palestinians tend to favor at a little over 60% or even higher given some sort of mutual economic relationship. Overall, yes, we do see the hardline largely youth movement that is very militant and wants to drive Israel into the sea, but the vast majority of Palestinians seem to largely just want to be treated as humans and enjoy basic rights and freedoms that they have been increasingly denied since the late 30's to late 40's. |
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I'd also have to disagree a bit on their interpretation of the data. They say in one of their slides that a two state solution is 'suddenly in the minority' but their was no two state solution option given as a possible response to the question, nor was the question about the resolution of conflict between Israel and Palestine.
That's true, but the question about the main goal for five years is pretty telling.. but your point about reactionism and a true lasting trend is well taken. It would be cool if israel somehow pursued this. but it's not reasonable to expect in the near future. |
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What do the people in Palestine and Israel want though? I've heard more than enough of what the leadership thinks. Where do the people stand, in relation to the struggle and their leaderships' inability to deal with it?
Domestic polls have long showed that both sides generally want peace based on a two state solution (it tends to fluctuate a little more in Israel depending on circumstances). I'm more familiar with the Palestinian numbers there (3/4ths two state peace) than I am with the Israeli numbers. One of the problems of governments past, is that in coalition governments like Israel, you have kingmaker parties: small parties that can make or break coalitions for the larger parties. These kingmaker parties in Israel tend to be highly conservative, which means that if you want to be prime minister you have to do certain things to mollify them like not halt settlement expansion. Really? I was just looking at polls yesterday at I remember seeing that the majority of Palestinians do not support a two state solution? I need to find the source though. http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/p...pragmatism-too |
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Ironic how some folks who want America to avoid being the world's policeman can get all upset when our president does not change his schedule every day that a few hundred people get killed due to a war some place.
This was not an attack on America.
Plenty of American officials have been doing their job aiding the investigation, of what happened.
AS of Thursday evening, there has not even been a confirmation that any Americans were aboard! Not that it would matter much as far as what the president should have done today.
Why yes, Reagan ended his vacation on his ranch in Ca and flew back to DC to address the crisis, obama took 40 seconds to relay this may be a tragedy and then make jokes. And remember the obama/hillary reset button with Russia? Read that speech by Reagan because what obama and hillary did was reset the button back to 1983. Of course you and bees don't get that because it would take insight and some wisdom and the only thing you lefties have is the talking points your leftwing propaganda sites gave you. Remember when obama laughed at Romney for saying that Russia was out greatest geo-political enemy? Remember when you lefties laughed and called Romney stupid and obama the wiser worldly leader? A month ago obama said the world is a safer place and just how wise those words were is evident by the crisis all over the world. Now all we have to do is pray obama watched the news and found out about them just like we did. |
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MORE than 100 AIDS activists, researchers and health workers bound for a major conference in Melbourne were on the Malaysia Airlines flight downed in the Ukraine. What a loss to the world... It is believed that delegates to the 20th International AIDS Conference, due to begin on Sunday, will be informed today that 108 of their colleagues and family members died on MH17. Stunned researchers, activists and development workers arriving at Melbourne Airport paid tribute to AIDS researcher Joep Lange and the other attendees believed killed aboard MH17. Jonathan Quick, head of a not-for–profit medicine supply company working with the Global Fund and the US government in Africa and Latin America, described Professor Lange as a force for change in HIV/AIDS treatment. “I remember meeting him back in the late 1990s. He was really driven at a time when there was not much going on in the way of treatment,” he said. “This is a community in which individuals have moved mountains and it’s also a community that has had regular exposure to horrific loss.” Mr Quick, who runs Management Sciences for Health, will introduce an address by former High Court judge Michael Kirby at the conference. Activist and journalist Sean Strub, who runs the New York based POZ magazine, said the conference was shaken by the tragedy and by Professor Lange’s death. “It’s going to be a very sombre week,” he said. “The struggle with the epidemic is bigger than any one individual but the collective loss of so many important people is one that is emotionally devastating.” Kenyan development worker Perez Odera said she feared the tragedy would dissuade people from flying to conferences such as this. “I just feel it is very, very unfortunate. It’s something we don’t have control over,’’ she said. Dr Robert Grant, a researcher from the Gladstone Institute at the University of California, said that on arriving in Melbourne he had heard reports Prof Lange had died. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/a-grim-day-for-australia-a-grim-day-for-the-world/story-e6frg95x-1226993405674?nk=1cad4a45ce4df2893ee437884d9ec5b3 |
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