give us an example ?
Canada LOL, again turned out good for who ? You're changing the goalposts, we were talking about how they currently are. Their current state. |
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Doesn't mean it's ALL europeans fault buddy. Plenty of places were colonised with the natives treated like shit and turned out just fine.
... for the natives?  exactly what I meant... eventually things turned cool, but not for natives. take South Africa, and most countries of north Africa as an example. Singapore Hong Kong Australia The USA Bermuda India Malaysia |
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How is it that the richest continent on the planet in terms of resources (Africa) has the poorest citizens? --snip-- I am a racist Idiot full with hate, I pretend to know things and have a high IQ, while in reality I am just a deep shit low life Wow, that is some shitty racism there, Well, you have some serious issues and it tells allot about your character... but hey, lets not forgot that Europeans exploited Africa (and Africans) for centuries, this is why Africa suffers today, all Europeans fault. BTW, I am born and raised in Africa.... best years of my life. Well I agree on the racism part but can't say yes for the European's fault part. You sounds like you having the same prejudice like him. you will be shocked of how many people were killed while Europeans occupied and colonized African countries, many African tribes extinct because of the barbarian acts of European in that land, they treated natives worse than animals. Doesn't mean it's ALL europeans fault buddy. Plenty of places were colonised with the natives treated like shit and turned out just fine. give us an example ? Canada |
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How is it that the richest continent on the planet in terms of resources (Africa) has the poorest citizens? --snip-- I am a racist Idiot full with hate, I pretend to know things and have a high IQ, while in reality I am just a deep shit low life Wow, that is some shitty racism there, Well, you have some serious issues and it tells allot about your character... but hey, lets not forgot that Europeans exploited Africa (and Africans) for centuries, this is why Africa suffers today, all Europeans fault. BTW, I am born and raised in Africa.... best years of my life. Well I agree on the racism part but can't say yes for the European's fault part. You sounds like you having the same prejudice like him. you will be shocked of how many people were killed while Europeans occupied and colonized African countries, many African tribes extinct because of the barbarian acts of European in that land, they treated natives worse than animals. Doesn't mean it's ALL europeans fault buddy. Plenty of places were colonised with the natives treated like shit and turned out just fine. |
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I love your reaction to the racism.
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Obama's rise to power to celebrated as heralding a new era of cultural growth for the USA and the whole world, while on any moral level he is a disaster. An attacker of civil liberties, a practitioner of obscure and secretive unconstitutional powers that are being used to murder individuals placed on secret lists for secret reasons without a trial.
Ino, right? The things them darkies get away with nowadays  made me laugh out loud for the first time in this thread today, bravo |
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effective law enforcement agencies
Effective at what? Their stated aims? Or their hidden agendas? Effective at finding the perpetrators of murder and other crimes which violate peoples rights. I said earlier I disagree with the war on drugs etc, you're preaching to the choir on that one. |
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I used to be all "militant" atheist, and it bugged me how religious people would always try to place the burden of proof on me. As if I could prove a negative, and as though I was the one rejecting the default belief of a human.
Now it's the same with statists (we need a more derogatory term for them). Personally I see them as teachers pets. Arse holes that call the police rather than just talk to you face to face. People who employ middle men at everyone's collective financial expense.
Anyway I'm rambling.
No now you're just trying to insult people because they don't agree with your opinion Seriously, with no rulers, you get lunatics who want to force their will on others putting together a mob and becoming rulers. Like I said earlier, short of some super intelligent AI to oversee us we're never going to be capable of not having rulers. It's human nature. There's always going to be some guy who wants to take over, no matter how perfect you are not everyone can see the advantages of living in a perfectly free society, and they will form a group, and they will try to take over, by force if necessary. Some degree of rule is always going to be required to stop people from taking over |
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Why not live in a world where those murders also happen, but at least we don't have to pay the salaries of a bunch of people who fail to keep their promises to prevent it?
In places without effective law enforcement agencies and criminal justice systems, is the murder rate higher or lower than in those places with them? |
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And to carry on the "Africa" example, you just need to take what you are saying further until you end up with nukes. It is Africa's political elites the subjugate their populous' to their own ends.
Yeah, you're saying exactly what I said, the guy with the biggest stick becomes the elite. Now you're blaming the guy with the biggest stick. Before he came along, it was anarchy. Someone came along and took over. You cannot prevent someone from taking over if you don't have anyone in charge. |
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well sometimes I get angry like this, too...but then I tell myself that most of the people in opposition to the dismantling of government aren't evil or malicious. They just don't see it the way I do and genuinely seem to believe...
Anyway, no point in further cementing the stereotypical imagine of the angry rebel without a cause anarchist throwing molotovs at the IMF meeting. I do understand your frustration, though. I go back and forth between Robert Anton Wilsons endless optimism and George Carlins bitter cynicism saying "yeah fuck them if they're that stupid so let's just watch them burn and enjoy the show".
I do like Robert Anton Wilson myself, and also George Carlin. Frankly, short of us creating some super intelligent AI to watch over us and make sure we're not thieving from and killing each other when we get the opportunity I do not have faith in humanity not to do so. Near where I live a migrant worker recently murdered another over a $1 or $2 gambling game. According to the rather gore-loving local police he nearly decapitated him (that's where I got my NITT idea from) How would you prevent people like that from cutting each others heads off in your world without rules? |
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ARGH so much shit in this thread.
Someone really just said anarchism is desired by privileged westerners? Sorry who is enslaving and maintaining the subjugation of the global working class? It's various governments and corporations (same thing).
How is it that the richest continent on the planet in terms of resources (Africa) has the poorest citizens?
Fuck you and your slave masters that have convinced you that their institutions are trustworthy.
Africa is a good example of how anarchy actually turns out. The guy with the biggest stick/largest horde of AK47 wielding men becomes the leader, forms a government, robs everythign he can until a guy with a bigger stick/larger horde comes along. . But let's forget about that for a moment. The question is: "if it somehow turns out that a society doesn't need a government to function, what would be your reaction to that?". I mean would you be happy that we can get rid of the "necessary evil" after all or would you have a problem with that? Genuinely interested.
That would be fantastic, if in the future we can find a way to make society function without the threat of force I'd be all for it |
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This argument again.
After the collapse and then the following anarchy, who will be providing the electrical power to run your local wallet? who will provide/maintain the network infrasrtucture and routing, etc. to make BTC trades possible?
etc.
Someone willing to make a shitload of money providing services which are so desirable I imagine. Seriously, is that so hard to imagine? It's easy to imagine, the problem is there is no historical data showing anything similar. None. And when one government collapses, another one takes the reins. Not anarchists. Nah, you get power vacuums where there is no government, except what happens is the biggest group of guys decide they'll form a government to rule over the others. You can't stop people doing it |
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ITT: bunch of rich westerners who think that laws prevent them enjoying their lives to the max.
NITT: bunch of poor people who'd cut your throats with a broken bottle if it wasn't for the protection of governments.
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It's what the Koran says, you're free to belief it or not. But fact remains, no government in human history has ever done what they promised. And no government was ultimately non-corrupt.
Is anarchy the solution though? No, it's not. Only a Caliphate ruled by a caliph that is descended from Mohammad will be the answer to our problems. That caliph is Mohammad himself.
I'm not asking you to take my word for it, I'm just trying to tell you there's a third option everyone forgets about, and the government question is more important than most people realize. In fact it can decide how your life plays out in the next couple of decades.
1) actively support a human government
2) anarchy
3) actively become a citizen of Islamic State (the option many people forget about)
Please consider returning to Islamic State, as Allah is the only one who can rule over us to our own benefit. Allah cares about us and can provide for all our needs and he will.
Fixed that for you Mr Abu Mosa  |
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My age is not relevant. It's childish to ask for it.
Of course your age and life experiences can be relevant to shed light upon the kinds assertions that you are making; however, it could also be an ad hominem attack if your youthfulness is being used to minimize and/or patronize if you were making otherwise valid arguments/observations. I was asking because he genuinely believes that people who are murdered simply failed to be fit enough to survive. I can't imagine anyone with much experience outside of a very cushy life in the suburbs believing anything so ridiculous. I questioned his age and whether he'd seen human brutality up close because they're both pertinent to understanding how he could hold such a belief. |
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The world will not, and did not before its time, descend into chaos without a huge police state to watch over us all. When gangs of marauders roam the earth, people will defend themselves in equal measure. There has always been crime and always will be, its nature merely shifts depending on local circumstances.
Again, this is solely based on weakness, in this case fear and physical inability.
Yeah, like when IS marched through Iraq and Syria, slaughtering, raping, robbing and what not. The people fought back equally and the whole Islamic State thing never happened, right? The Dutch public prosecutor said on Tuesday that motorbike gang members who have reportedly joined Kurds battling the Islamic State group in Iraq are not necessarily committing any crime.
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"Joining a foreign armed force was previously punishable, now it's no longer forbidden," public prosecutor spokesman Wim de Bruin told AFP.
"You just can't join a fight against the Netherlands," he told AFP after reports emerged that Dutch bikers from the No Surrender gang were fighting IS insurgents alongside Kurds in northern Iraq.
The head of No Surrender, Klaas Otto, told state broadcaster NOS that three members who travelled to near Mosul in northern Iraq were from Dutch cities Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Breda.
A photograph on a Dutch-Kurdish Twitter account shows a tattooed Dutchman called Ron in military garb, holding a Kalashnikov assault rifle while sat with a Kurdish comrade. That's actually very interesting, but unless those three bikers actually stop IS, they're not very relevant. IS are an example of what ends up ruling in a vacuum. |
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My age is not relevant. It's childish to ask for it.
That's what I figured. You probably still live at home with your Mom don't you |
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It is quite sad this whole discussion about which human should rule us, while the underlying question is ignored.
The underlying question, a question asked over 6000 years ago by the devil himself, should man govern themselves, instead go having god rule over us?
God then allowed humankind to govern themselves under satan, to prove a point, that point has been proven time and time again, a human leading over other humans will only cause pain, injustice and suffering.
The only one fit to rule is god, choosing anyone else to rule you results in joining the government of the devil, and it off course will lead to suffering.
Don't be stupid and choose for the kingdom of god, there's no other viable option.
Sounds like something the Islamic State would say, insert a few "kill all infidels" and "death to the jews" |
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It's the most ruthless and heavily armed smartest people winning What's your reason for being involved in bitcoin? How old are you? Have you ever been in a war zone? Did the government ever saved you from dying in a war zone? Did you know it's almost always governments who decide to go to war? I asked my questions because it was apparent from your answer that you have no real experience of life outside of your cushy existence, whereever that may be. I'll answer your questions 1) I'm involved with bitcoin because it's convenient for my business to accept it 2) Yes 3) Yes How about you answer my questions? |
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