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701  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Island/City and More on: April 22, 2013, 05:14:40 PM
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... Bitcoin is currently hobbled by a pre-determined growth rate that relegates it to niche applications ...

Wrong.

But I've always been in favor of your Bitcoin Island idea.
702  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: new FINCEN report on bitcoin on: April 20, 2013, 08:38:54 PM
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Those who are intermediaries in the transfer of virtual currencies from one person to
another person, or to another location, are money transmitters that must register with FinCEN as
MSBs unless an exception applies. Some virtual currency exchangers have already registered
with FinCEN as MSBs, though they have not necessarily identified themselves as money
transmitters.

Is it the end of unregistered exchanges?

This makes it more of a pain in the rear to operate any kind of Bitcoin/crypto-currency (or other virtual currency) exchange if you're based in the U.S., at least in a complying above ground way.
703  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: new FINCEN report on bitcoin on: April 20, 2013, 08:23:18 PM
Looks good. Haven't had time to read all of it yet but they refer to Bitcoin by name this time, even mentioning all the attention it's getting. Seems they are trying to clarify the earlier guidance.
704  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Roger Ver and Jon Matonis pushed aside now that Bitcoin is becoming mainstream on: April 20, 2013, 08:12:03 PM

The problem is that they project their political ideas on Bitcoin, with things such as representing Bitcoin as being a tool used to bring about anarchy. Matonis, at least, seems to be encouraging people to break the law almost every time he talks about Bitcoin.
The general objection against Roger Ver is that he has a criminal history. And not just some debatable crime (eg, drug-related or statutory), but selling explosives.s.

See, this is what is hypocritical in this approach.

You have a tool that was explicitly created to give power to individuals.
If you were to weed out people based on their political views, it should be those who don't adhere to this view.
This would be a bad idea, because discarding people because of their political views is just intellectually dishonest.

We had the Cyprus story. Did anyone here said "Oh c'mon guys, what they did in Cyprus was chosen by their government;
we should not encourage them to use Bitcoin to save some of their saving." ?

Is there anyone here saying that we shouldn't emphasize how Bitcoin can help those in Argentina with their 30% inflation?
*crickets*

Their was some arguments recently that Bitcoin could be used in China because of their capital control.
Again, did someone raised up and said that it was bad for the image of Bitcoin?

No, of course not. You don't want to openly say that Bitcoin can be used to circumvent bad laws only when it's in your country.

Of course, I would not defend these gentlemen if they weren't great speakers, but they are!

Bitcoin does give power to individuals. Nobody can stop Roger Ver or me or you or anyone else saying what we want about Bitcoin to whomever we want, including press.
705  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why bitcoin can't survive as it is on: April 20, 2013, 06:44:55 PM
^ apparently not all Jr. members are created equally  Smiley
706  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why bitcoin can't survive as it is on: April 20, 2013, 05:26:39 PM
What's the deal with all these Jr members who have registered a few weeks ago coming here to tell us why Bitcoin doesn't work or what Bitcoin needs to do? Huh

Growing pains. Expect a lot more.
707  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I will create a forked bitcoin chain on: April 20, 2013, 03:44:19 PM
I will create a forked chain of bitcoin to accomdate for broad adaptation.

The only major change from the old chain is:

Reward of 200 BTC per block for each new block - (never changed)


  • The chain will produce 10.5 million coins/year (which is far from enough to cause inflation)
  • The clients (incl source) running the new fork will be made available well ahead of the fork
  • All bitcoins created before the fork will by nature be contained in the new chain





Bitcoin already accommodates broad adoption because they are divisible to 8 decimal places.

What you propose is something that has already been discussed. Your fork won't work because the forked coins won't ever have comparable value to bitcoins. The people that hold bitcoins and others interested in their value, like merchants/miners, won't support forked coins that look to disrupt bitcoin in economically messy ways. If they did then what's to stop other forks after your fork?

Bitcoins have value because people accept them. Your forked coins wouldn't be accepted on the orignial bitcoin chain, yet holders of original bitcoins could still spend their coins on your fork, so you haven't taken away wealth from people with many coins at all.

Also, all possible bitcoins are not already held by people, only about half of total bitcoins exist so far. Last, for your coins to even have a chance at comparable value to bitcoins there should be less of them not more.
708  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin to Gold Exchange on: April 19, 2013, 08:49:42 PM
I'm not sure.  But certainly within the lifetime of most of the people here.  The US is pushing a mission - right now - to grab an asteroid and move it to the moon's orbit:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/senator-nasa-to-lasso-asteroid-bring-it-closer-89691.html

We're just not that far away.

That project is for a small asteroid, around 25 feet. I'm pretty sure the scientists for the mining project you linked earlier considered any which might be brought closer to earth too.

Anyway, the Federal Reserve was created only 100 years ago, and the euro brought into existence far more recently than that. I'm pretty sure gold will have monetary value for a long while to come.
709  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin to Gold Exchange on: April 19, 2013, 07:47:26 PM
Gold is here to stay. Regardless if BTC make it global or not, right?

Long term?  No.  Except as an industrial material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_mining

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asteroid_mining#Proposed_mining_projects

You want long-term value, that can't be degraded by either the discovery of fresh sources or cost-effective technological duplication?  Try rare and exotic woods.

What do you call long term?

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An upcoming NASA mission (OSIRIS-REx) to return just 60g (two ounces) of material from an asteroid to Earth will cost about $1 billion USD.
...
Planetary Resources admit that, in order to be successful, they will need to develop technologies that bring the cost of space flight down.

FYI two ounces of gold right now is worth about $2,800.
710  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin to Gold Exchange on: April 19, 2013, 07:36:35 PM
Hello,

I have an idea I have come up few days ago. Seeing all these exchanges closed, and their USD bank account closed got me thinking. Can you trade bitcoin for lets say gold? What if there is an exchange where you can freely exchange BTC for gold or some other commodity, and later on you can cash in at some gold to USD exchange? Is there some large gold exchange that has some sort of IOU certificates which can be maybe traded even on the p2p bitcoin-to-IOU exchange?

That way FINCEN regulations would not apply for bitcoin to gold exchange.

Let me know what you think.

Regards, Neil

Yes, I actually had this idea in the form of getting coin shops involved. They are not high tech (I asked one once about any Web interest and he replied something about a webbed foot), so there might be a barrier there but everyone understands profit potential. All we would need to do is sign up shops to allow people to walk in and trade their gold for bitcoins or vice versa, giving the shop and any middle men a cut of course.

I think that would be really popular. As the FinCEN guidance says exchanging bitcoins directly for goods or services is not subject to regulation or record keeping requirements.
711  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DDOS Payback on: April 18, 2013, 09:39:10 PM
If most of the IP's used in DDoS's are infected PC's then wouldn't that mean most of these PC's are vulnerable to attacks?

ALL computers are vulnerable to attack, though some more so than others.

I'd guess that means a bot could target them with the same attack to install and update an antivirus and remove all the spam toolbars from their browser.

lol if only it were that simple.
712  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: XBC > BTC on: April 18, 2013, 07:32:14 PM
I disagree XBC > BTC.

I understand and acknowledge the standard, but you have to remember who is using it.

Most people when they go to the store see a $, not USD. If you're a professional forex trader then you don't care if the populace calls coins dog biscuits; if they are worth 100K each, you'll figure out what any proper ISO code is.

In the meantime using XBC will confuse everyone else, who will have a hard enough time understanding what a bitcoin is in the first place.
713  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: DDOS Payback on: April 18, 2013, 06:18:34 PM
Let me explain about DDoS (I know many here know).

The problem is it's like standing in the middle of a clear field against an unseen army in the forest. You have to stand in the field so people can find you, but you're completely exposed to attack. You just have to be able to take everything that comes your way.

Translated to Web technology this means most sites exposed to significant DDoS attack are effectively disabled. There are mitigation techniques/software to reduce the effectiveness of attacks, but as the link provided above, which gives good information, points out even spending thousands of dollars on expert defenses is not always enough. The only real answer, like standing in that field, is to be big enough and bad enough to take it, having loads of bandwidth, servers, software etc. to ride the attack out. Cloudflare is something that helps the issue greatly, because they take the expensive problem many have independently and address it with consolidated resources. Still, it's an underdog fight to start with.

So how to effectively address DDoS? You might try finding the attacker(s) using social means as mentioned. The problem there is you'll never find everyone if anyone. Pooling resources, money, brain power, etc. in the style of Cloudflare in more organized ways might help.

The problem is more systemic. For example, there are DDoS extortion cases where it's less costly for a victim site, like a profitable gambling one, to pay a ransom then suffer extended downtime.

I'd say you really have to take away the main weapon which is botnets. To do that you have to provided better security against computer sheeple allowing their computers to be used unwittingly. I actually had a business idea which was a computer that was virus proof (it basically stored files in a compartmentalized way, and clean re-installed the OS with a click or on automated schedule) but never developed it.

714  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Colbert Report - segment on Bitcoin 4/17/2013 on: April 18, 2013, 05:33:41 PM
That was extremely enjoyable. I'm a Colbert fan although I haven't watched recently.

That was actually not as bad as it could have been given the complexity of Bitcoin. The biggest problem I have is with the guest saying not to buy them at all because you don't know what the value will be the next second. That's actually a good point, but it's not complete. First, bitcoins value will probably stabilize greatly as its market cap grows. Second, you don't need to hold bitcoins long term to use them effectively.

I consider this segment extremely positive news. The content and opinions of the commentators are irrelevant. They just spent 5 minutes talking about Bitcoin on one of the most watched TV shows in the US. Intelligent people will be asking themselves questions and Googling Bitcoin. The rest? Who cares! They'll follow in time like late adopters always do...

+1 exactly.
715  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: how much BTC would you trust in a blockchain.wallet,how long should passord be?? on: April 18, 2013, 03:23:25 PM
Your password doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is password uniqueness.

This is very true. Password uniqueness and strength are the key to keeping Bitcoins safe online.

https://www.strongcoin.com/en/blog/are_you_guilty_of_the_following_password_mistakes

No, that is not true.

Password uniqueness and strength, as well as two-factor authentication, are measures which HELP keep bitcoins safe online.

None of that matters if the online service you use becomes corrupted. Two-factor authentication would not have helped anyone with a mybitcoin.com account. Password uniqueness and strength would not have helped Bitcoinica customers.

I will say it again:

For ANY online Bitcoin service I advise only storing as much there longer term as you are willing to lose completely if something unforeseen (like hacking/dishonesty/mistakes etc.) happens.
716  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: how much BTC would you trust in a blockchain.wallet,how long should passord be?? on: April 17, 2013, 10:47:16 PM
Sure, local wallets will always be more secure when done correctly.

What I'm wondering about is the risk importance.

How important are your funds to you? If you lose whatever amount you have on an online service I daresay you would feel it's important. The only way to minimize that loss/importance is to minimize what can be lost that way.

Now if you're asking about likelihoods sure that can be a consideration. Is it likely Blockchain.info will be effectively hacked or that piuk, the site's creator, is dishonest and/or unreasonably incompetent on security matters? Given its history I'd say no that's not likely. That still doesn't mean I'm willing to trust 100% of my coins there. I'd put there as much as might be used for typical transactions, for example.

EDIT: now that I think about it where is Blockchain.info hosted? If it's not hosted under only piuk's administration (i.e. with a hosting provider) then anyone with access can compromise the site and steal coins with clever code.

717  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: how much BTC would you trust in a blockchain.wallet,how long should passord be?? on: April 17, 2013, 10:05:06 PM
In 2011 it was really silly to use the webwallets.
However, because blockchain.info (and others) never touches your private keys, is it still as much a risk as many here pretend?
(Provided you use a secure password, of course.)

How do you know they don't touch your private keys? They say they don't, but unless you read the javascript source code every time you access their website, you are taking that on trust. If their website is hacked, the hacker could edit the javascript to leak your private keys/password back to them and steal your bitcoins.

This is a much lower risk than an old style web wallet that stores your private keys. In the blockchain.info case you would only be at risk if you tried to access your webwallet in the window between the site being hacked and someone noticing and taking it offline.

This is correct.

Unless you are reading the code/information exchanged between your computer and blockchain.info (or elsewhere) EVERY TIME you connect and exchange information then you can't be sure things are happening as you imagine and hope they are.

For ANY online Bitcoin service I advise only storing as much there longer term as you are willing to lose completely if something unforeseen (like hacking/dishonesty/mistakes etc.) happens.
718  Other / Meta / Re: Forum Etiquette and couple of other random questions.. on: April 17, 2013, 07:38:32 PM
I don't think there is a sticky focused on etiquette, but there may need to be as this place becomes more popular.

Right now we're pretty much self-policing. With a shared public resource it's in the interest of everyone to try to keep things as nice and usable as possible. Moderators also help a lot.

Start by adding a signature to your profile. Make quality posts and people will probably want to check out what else you're involved in. Announce sites and services directly here and here, and possibly also here.

List your site on the Trade wiki too:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade

Edit: you might also try advertising with a service like CoinURL or OperationFabulous.
719  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: MAX KEISER please please please CORRECT your mistake re: confiscation on: April 17, 2013, 06:58:29 PM
...  Yeah, we could discuss the motivation of Roosevelt at that time (I don't fully understand)...

Bold emphasis mine. What you don't understand is what's most important. By confiscating gold Roosevelt effectively forced the market to prefer to use dollars instead of gold.

Using gold as money is superior to dollars in terms of guaranteed value. Gold has been valued by people for thousands of years and can't be easily counterfeited. That's not true of dollars (dollars are easily counterfeited by the Federal Reserve). So a free market if left on its own would probably choose to use gold (whatever is superior). Roosevelt took that option away from the market. He couldn't do that with Bitcoin.

 
...    Bitcoins will be, have been, and can be confiscated.   

Make sure you understand the definition of confiscation as opposed to theft:

confiscate - Take or seize (someone's property) with authority.

I'm not aware of any government seizing someone's bitcoins on authority, and even if so, certainly not on a large enough scale to influence a market.
720  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: MAX KEISER please please please CORRECT your mistake re: confiscation on: April 17, 2013, 06:01:16 PM
Max Keiser is correct.

Governments would find it difficult to impossible to confiscate (or outlaw) bitcoins effectively. The reason is for every action governments might take bitcoins can be routed around. A government outlawing bitcoins would simply drive their use underground.

Regarding confiscation Max Keiser references Roosevelt confiscating gold in 1933:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102

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...he issued Presidential Proclamation 2039 that forbade the hoarding 'of gold or silver coin or bullion or currency,' under penalty of $10,000 and/or up to five to ten years imprisonment.

...Executive Order 6102 required all persons to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, all but a small amount of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates owned by them to the Federal Reserve

There are several differences bitcoins would have from the above. First, gold or silver being tangible items could be argued to be natural resources. Governments often feel automatic authority/jurisdiction over such things. This along with the argument "hoarding of gold" was prolonging the depression probably seemed sufficient basis to push the action through.

For people not wanting to comply what were their options? The threat of men with guns showing up with metal detectors, and rewards for nosy neighbors was probably sufficient deterrent to try hiding large quantities of the physical stuff.

On the other hand bitcoins are obviously not natural resources nor tangible at all. One could literally hide/keep secret over 1 trillion dollars worth of value from the government in the form of a bitcoin brain wallet, which of course is immune to metal detectors, satellite imagery, nosy neighbors or whatever other means governments might successfully employ to locate physical things.
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