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701  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Massive de-leveraging event? on: May 22, 2021, 07:26:40 PM
More like 5 times the 2020 low, still very fresh memories of price falling below $4000 in March, but yeah, I'd be very happy if that's our low. Bitcoin has never actually dipped below an old ATH once it breaks past it, has it? Not sure what significance it would have if it actually happens this time around.

Still a great gain, and still means plenty more time for us stragglers (relatively) to improve our positions.

P.S. Crazy market right now. We're at 50% of ATH;)

It has not, at least since 2013. Previous pumps were even more volatile and much shorter.

I always try to look at lows and compare them with each other because they are a great show of weakness.
Fun fact is that people are getting more used to these cycles and each time the price looks much stronger. The price doesn't want to go as deep in its lows as it used to. You can see it when you compare how in 2013 it went down 50% in one day, but this time, despite all the FUD it needed 10 days to lose 40%.

The fundamentals remain the same. If you buy bitcoin you're going to have more in terms of fiat value after 2 or 3 years. I see no other way.

 
702  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why the price of bitcoin is falling on: May 22, 2021, 02:18:30 PM
Other than China FUD and Elon Musk tweets.

There are still more FUD out there. We saw earlier that IRS announced, that starting in 2023, they will start targeting cryptocurrencies.
I am surprised the market reacted here, even it is still in 2023. Additional is the media on how spreading these kinds of news, there are some media that misleading, especially the title.
And additional is the Bitcoin Mining in China, which is kinda huge if it is really true.

Here's the summary of FUD lately I found on Twitter



That's a great summary I must say. Tells a lot about the people in this market. I don't know what's going on, but they are selling so it must be bad. I better sell too.

The China FUD is especially funny because they "reminded" that financial institutions are banned from providing services to crypto businesses, which is a thing since 2014 or 2015 and people still panicked and acted like somehow they did not know that bitcoin was banned in China. This is ridiculous.

Musk is showing off his autistic behavior. People who were avoiding taxation got scared because they realized they'll have to eventually pay taxes...

What a pile of bullcrap Cheesy If you wanted to buy this year and thought Bitcoin was too expensive for you, here's your chance because the sell-off doesn't make sense.
703  Economy / Speculation / Re: How low can the next bear market go? on: May 22, 2021, 02:06:46 PM
That would be true IF this bull run was over. You can't really know for sure that the $64k are the top of it, in contrast with 2017 and 2013 that we are now ensured how they ended. So the growfall may not be x6.3, I actually believe that it'll be ~x20. Kicking the $100k would seem impossible to me a year ago, but now? Nope.

You're 100% right about that.

OP mentioned 2014 as a 120 - 1019 run which is wrong. The run begun in October 2013 and ended in December 2013! There was no 2014 bull run!
Also the 2013 bull market had 2 stages. First one in March - April folowed by a decline from 260 to 40 USD and second one later the same year.

This bull market can also have 2 stages especially that the first decline also begin in Q2 of the year and is looking much more bullish than the same correction in 2014.
704  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Been left with my late uncle's crypto accounts - need some advice on: May 22, 2021, 01:10:35 PM
All these details were sealed in a metal tin from his home.

It looks like he thought of everything.

You're struggling not because he messed up or anything. You're just new to this, so don't panic and make sure you do everything the slow and safe way.
With crypto there's often no turning back. If you send some private keys to an employee at an exchange, thinking they're some recovery passes, you'll probably lose a lot of money.

It's possible to request a 2fa reset at some sites, but expect them to ask for full KYC, a photo of you and so on. If they find out the account owner is dead they could lock the account, so it's better if you don't start sending tickets anywhere, trying to explain the situation if you don't have to.
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706  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: China bans Bitcoin again in 2021 on: May 20, 2021, 11:14:09 PM
from 2017 China has said to ban bitcoin, and now China says the same thing again about bitcoin ,, they are jealous because bitcoin is increasingly bombarding the market, actually they have been wanting to join bitcoin, and make profit through bitcoin ,, but actually China is prestigious bro ... because he hated bitcoin in the past ... that's why he's always looking for trouble with bitcoin ...

They did that in 2015! That's why all exchanges moved away from China because they weren't allowed to trade for fiat.

Financial institutions weren't allowed to work with exchanges for many years. This is just a reminder to them from the government. I don't know what the big deal is. Nothing new.
707  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Time to Decide: Are You an Investor or a Gambler? on: May 20, 2021, 11:03:28 PM
I'm hodling since 2013 never sold a satoshi I guess this makes me an investor. I don't like gambling too much with crypto because the risks are pretty high and I prefer to measure my risks. So I've already decided! Smiley

Congratulations.

I'm here since 2016 and have sold a bit since I started here as a trader, but I still have some coins that I bought in that year which makes me more of a hodler than a trader.

The price is low, if I had some money I'd buy. You can see that weak hands are selling. Old hodlers were selling on the way up to 60 thousand. They aren't doing it now.
This is the time when smart people accumulate and get ready for another bull run.
708  Economy / Services / Re: ✅ [WTB] Signature spaces ✅ on: May 20, 2021, 10:57:13 PM
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709  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: It's never too late to start on: May 18, 2021, 10:09:18 PM
When we're in a bear market, it's very effective to stay from the market if it's only giving you anxiety, pressure and disappointment.

But are we in a bear market, this is the question.
We had a number of 30% drops in 2017 bull market, so this isn't anything new.

I recommend not trading if you're asking people to help you with it OP. People like you fall victim of signal groups and other scams.
You have a tough choice to make and I'd recommend to take some profit and sell some of your ETH. Also, I'd get some BTC with my ETH profits just in case.
710  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Massive de-leveraging event? on: May 18, 2021, 09:19:55 PM
Someone who has got to start with telling everyone about his HALO jump from the good old days sounds like he still has a lot to prove to himself heh. But I suppose anyone who also chooses such a title has got to have some degree of ego inflation.

That said, it's not entirely hogwash, but I don't think it's going to be anything worse than anyone would expect in a typical Bitcoin cycle. I'm actually wondering if we'll even see the 80% falls from peaks of the past.

We probably won't see those 80% corrections anymore.

Most traders speculate that worst case scenario for Bitcoin at this point would be a fall to 20 thousand, which would still mean a 2x yearly gain compared to 2020 average and 4x compared to the low of 2020. That's a great gain if you ask me, even if you're a lagging trader who bought in 2020 and happens to sell at the bottom of 2021.
To get something like that in stocks, buying google, amazon, apple, you need to wait three times longer.
711  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should you buy bitcoin right now? on: May 18, 2021, 08:54:42 PM
Its value is increasing day by day.

For the past few days it's been decreasing day by day Cheesy

Nobody is going to tell you what to do, you have to decide for yourself.

If you don't own any bitcoins you should. That's my opinion. I won't tell you when to buy, but I strongly believe that every single person on this planet who has some spare cash should buy some bitcoin. It's too great of an opportunity to just watch it pass you by and the potential profit outweighs the risk.
712  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Oh, market manipulation is finally bad now? on: May 18, 2021, 08:34:56 PM
because everyone wants more pump but to encourage elon to tweet ?
 no way elon will follow to an ordinary person but he is smart and knows what he is doing . what can we do is to wait and watch his next tweet if the tweet is positive or negative but the recent tweet has a negative impact on the price of bitcoin .
market manipulation has never been a good thing but people tolerate it if they can earn and not if they will lose

Are you really going to support OP and lie that everybody wanted him to pump it?

I was happy when he had invested and thought a rich guy supports the project that I root for. I felt good, but It wasn't a pump by him. If he bought he had the right to tell the world about it and it's the same about him selling, I'd be fine if he sold and tweeted about it.

The problem with musk is he's making up false statements about Bitcoin and suddenly acting like it's a bad investment. He's confused and probably bipolar. That's why his stock is falling. He's not fit to run a company at this point.
713  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will grow in the next six months on: May 17, 2021, 09:51:56 PM
What is happening now reminds me of all the news flash crashes that we've been through.
The Silk road crash, the bubble pop in April 2013 when it went from 260 to 40 USD and then 7 months later it was at a new all time high, the 2020 covid crash...

A year ago we were at 4000 USD! If you were not panicking back then, you will not panic at 30000 or 20000.

What's the worst thing that can happen if we go into a bear market? 20000 dollar bitcoin? I'll take it. That's still 5x growth from bottom to bottom in a year Wink
If you're not ready for that and would go bankrupt if it were to happen just sell now and have one less thing to worry about.

Leading analyst PlanB believes that BTC will see good growth in the next few months

By the end of the year everyone will see the PlanB was wrong, and I was right. There is no more growth for bitcoin. Ever.

Weren't you the guy who was saying it's game over for Bitcoin when it went into the 2018 bear market? Cheesy Aren't you tired of being wrong?

714  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Musk and Tesla's BTC conspiracy on: May 17, 2021, 09:27:10 PM
Its looks like Elon Musk to me same the person Pump And Dump , when he want to make money from BTC he posted BTC is good and when he want to buy BTC at low price and sell at high he posted BTC is not good , why you said earlier that you are BTC in your balance sheet as investment and buying doge coins for son , you are nothing but pump and dump

Isn't that what JPMorgan did a few years back? CEO tweeted how Bitcoin is stupid and that he'd fire anyone in the company if they traded bitcoin, next thing they are found to be trading.

Elon doesn't want Bitcoin, he needs company revenue on paper so he'll pump and dump, manipulate, tweet silly things, he'll do whatever it takes to show profit.

My opinion is that if he hasn't sold, he will, so don't count on his help or anything. Bitcoin survived without him for so long and it will keep on going long after he's gone.

I think that Tesla already sold bitcoins.

But what I do not understand is why is the price is affected so much by his tweets. Who cares if Tesla stops BTC payments? How many cars they already sold for BTC? 10? 15? Or less?

This is INSANE!

It's not all about his tweets. The problem is that Bitcoin was already overbought at 60 thousand and many people knew it could correct so they had no buy orders set up at that level.
When Musk spew his hate and some people got scared and sold they sold into empty market.

When you have 1000 bitcoins and sell and there's only buy orders for 500 in the given range, the rest will automatically fill all the lower orders. If another big buy order is 2000 USD lower than that's where you'll sell your last coin. We are witnessing a domino effect that will stop when people calm down and realize it could be a good moment to buy again because what's done is done.

That's why it's called panic because people are not thinking straight. They are trying to get rid of bitcoin at all cost because there could be something wrong with it when reality nothing is wrong. It's the same Bitcoin they were paying 60000 USD for.
715  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Elon Musk on Twitter: "Chihuahua." The Sheep: "We Love You Elon, BTC is Dying!" on: May 16, 2021, 07:39:53 PM
Honey badger does NOT care. 100k by the end of FY 2021-22. Mark my word.

Tbh I think it will surpass 100k. My own prediction is BTC will be around 150-200k in November and then we will see another correction (-30% or -40%).

100 is just a number people like to use, a rough estimate, a milestone. When we say 100k it doesn't mean exactly that, it can mean 120 or 99. I'm also sure we'll have a second wave somewhere in Q3/Q4 of this year.

If negative news and FUD keep piling up this might be postponed to as long as 2023, but if you knew it's going to happen in the next 3 years, would you sell today and leave bitcoin because there could be a 2 year long bear market? I wouldn't  Tongue
I have money to survive without bitcoin for many years and I can wait. In 3 years my fiat money will be worth about 20% less thanks to inflation and I'm about 500% up on my bitcoin investment since 2020. Put ideology and fears aside and focus on pure math and you'll come to the same conclusion: bitcoin is better than money in the bank.
716  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Musk and Tesla's BTC conspiracy on: May 16, 2021, 06:53:30 PM
Its looks like Elon Musk to me same the person Pump And Dump , when he want to make money from BTC he posted BTC is good and when he want to buy BTC at low price and sell at high he posted BTC is not good , why you said earlier that you are BTC in your balance sheet as investment and buying doge coins for son , you are nothing but pump and dump

Isn't that what JPMorgan did a few years back? CEO tweeted how Bitcoin is stupid and that he'd fire anyone in the company if they traded bitcoin, next thing they are found to be trading.

Elon doesn't want Bitcoin, he needs company revenue on paper so he'll pump and dump, manipulate, tweet silly things, he'll do whatever it takes to show profit.

My opinion is that if he hasn't sold, he will, so don't count on his help or anything. Bitcoin survived without him for so long and it will keep on going long after he's gone.
717  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Tesla destroys bitcoin :-[ on: May 13, 2021, 11:19:53 PM
He did not make Bitcoin and he won't destroy it, be real people!
its them not he because tesla is a company .
 they cant destroy bitcoin as a whole but they can make a huge damage if they own a big portion of it .

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How much did Bitcoin rise right after his tweet? 10%? Before him we had serious gains and we would have serious gains without his tweet.
Seriously, how many people actually bought a new Tesla with Bitcoin? 10? 20? It looks like a joke figure compared to Tesla's annual revenue. They don't need you to buy their cars with your coins and you don't need them to pump bitcoin!
its rise was not 10 percent its more than that but before them we have paypal and others that also contribute big in the growth of bitcoin .  
i only knew 1 people in this forum that bought a tesla with his bitcoin but theres millions of rich people outside that can do the same with thier btc  .
they need us because we are costumers and we need them because they can contribute in btc .

By him I mean Musk because Musk IS Tesla. You can believe that this company is doing it on its own, but in reality there's a CEO who pulls all the strings. By saying that Tesla did something you're saying Musk, just like when you say Amazon did you mean Bezos.

Right after his tweet doesn't mean a month later. It means within a day or two because that's a direct reaction to him announcing it. Musk was only one of many contributors. Hedge funds bought more than him.

1 person on the biggest bitcoin forum bought a Tesla? You're basically proving my statement.
718  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Tesla will accept $ because they're environment friendly on: May 13, 2021, 10:02:46 PM
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As far as I know it's illegal to manipulate the market like he did.

He bought BTC, tweeted about it, price rose, he sold, tweeted that he doesn't like it anymore, price dropped.
Cryptocurrency market is not regulated like stocks so I doubt he'll be indicted for tweeting about what Tesla did. The company bought BTC and we found out about that when they filed a report. The company also announced accepting BTC as a payment method. Lastly, they decided to suspend it and willing to resume after bla bla bla.

Those who got caught by the dump may feel cheated but it's also their fault for speculating and buying from someone's tweet.

The company has a CEO who is held responsible.

Musk bought BTC and Doge privately as well and used the company to pump his private investments.

My bet is he's going to keep doing it with other coins. First he buys something else like Cardano, tweets about it o pump it and sells with a profit, then he decides he's going to build a new Tesla power plant to mine Bitcoin so that it's eco friendly again.

The only funny part in all this is Tesla's stock has been dropping like a rock for the last few weeks. Maybe the board spanked him for touching crypto? Cheesy
719  Economy / Speculation / Re: Looks like BTC about to make its next leg up on: May 13, 2021, 09:31:26 PM

NO.Elon Musk isn't out of Bitcoin,because he didn't sell all his BTC.Tesla sold only a small amount of BTC.

Do you really believe in this? Tesla is Elon. If they sold it's because he told them so. Him saying that it was Tesla, not him is so childish and stupid like he's laughing at us thinking we're idiots or something.
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However,he will continue to create turbulence and panic in the crypto markets with his unpredictable behavior and BS tweets.

Because he has a reason for it and the reason is money. He wants to pump another coin and show Bitcoin as weak compared to it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Cardano which is pumping like crazy despite the rest of the market going red.

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It's funny how everyone was positive and optimistic about Bitcoin and after a tweet from Elon Musk,most of the people just freak out and join the FUD. Grin
Can't we just calm down.The crypto markets are getting out of control. Grin

We still are, don't be fooled by trolls.
720  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is Behind way Behind the Plan on: May 13, 2021, 09:05:48 PM
Bitcoin is Not working.
The Price not moving.
Eth and alts doing great Job but btc not doing.
Btc is Broken.  The coin purpose is to make profit for People If btc Can't do What need People Will abond that coin.
Eth is nice doing what need to do the nice profit and bull run.

Let me quote you on that Cheesy

Let's see the last 24h
BTC -9%
ETH -9%
Doge -15%
XRP -8%
LTC -14%
BCH -16%

Yea, BTC is dying, ETH and alts are doing great Grin
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