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7001  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Question About Bitcoin Blocks on: January 27, 2022, 05:52:18 PM
For interest's sake, the highest number of transactions in a single block is 12,239 in block 367,853.

for factual interests sake it was not 12,239 transactions
it was a heck of alot of 'dead end' data without a payer address and without a receive address

thus not a true example of bitcoins ability to actually TRANSACT (value transfer)

here is one such example of the 'dead end' data
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/3e064b3f2d303c0ff78180ffe76e99a0d9032d406c9ff2df40077b1976c56a57
nothing in -- nothing out

there were only actually 442 transactions (with a utxo paying out to an actual address) in that block
7002  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Another solo miner with approximately 86TH solved a solo block on: January 27, 2022, 05:22:02 PM
It's not that easy to think imo, that means this solo miner has lots of resources or maybe with huge probability with free electricity he got in his sleeve to operate which not all miners have, imagine this his first time getting the reward, so what's his means to pay in electricity before? If not he have some asic joined in some pool but I don't think can cover his electricity cost, but to think he can solo mine, either he has free electricity as said or super cheap cost electricity.

the winner had a USB hub with like a dozen USB miner dongles on it.
not what i would call a farm. more so just a hobby miner.
this is his so called "farm"



the electric usage would have been way under 500w so would cost him about $1 in electric a day for the chance of a over $200k reward. he was very lucky to get that reward. but it was not due to him having a massive farm..

with all blocks of all pools there is always one asic that solves the block. always.. his chance of solving another one is probably more then 400 years away. so it was pure luck he had the solution. and also luck that he chose to use a pool with suck a large reward which was specified to the solution giver instead of sharing it out amongst everyone
7003  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is a fraction of Global Assets value (Ark-Invest report) on: January 27, 2022, 04:43:09 PM
gotta laugh
here i took a screen shot while reading your comedy


notice the right side
Sell 1    36678.45      0.00030       $11.00
Sell 2    36681.59      0.00030       $11.00

hmm.. shift the price by $3.14 meaning shifting the entire market cap by $59.66million. all for the low cost of $22

if you wait around long enough you will see lots of different opportunities to move the market cap by millions for just a few dollars

as for suggesting ive never looked at a large marketbook.. ive been trading since 2012.. and i have mentioned these small bid issues many times before. here is a most recent one
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5382387.msg59041691#msg59041691

but if you think that people cant shift the market cap without spending hundreds of thousands. heck even YOUR screen shot shows

36913.39     0.00093      $34.32
36911.10     0.00137      $50.56

meaning you can move the price by $2.29 ($43.5m cap shift) for under $85
yep remove $43mill from cap for $85
7004  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Rep. Jim Himes of CT Allegedly Sneaks in Anti-Crypto Provision into Bill on: January 27, 2022, 04:12:04 PM
exaggerations
conspiracy

And without a hint of irony.  Priceless.  Roll Eyes

How is it when you're the one who sees a problem, you can engage in as much hyperbole and far-flung fairy tales as you like, but the moment anyone else sees a problem with anything, you act as though they're just being dramatic and it's not as bad as they think?

You've prognosticated dozens of doomsday scenarios in your time on this forum, so maybe check to see how rickety your greenhouse is before you start casting stones.

funny part is

i procrastinated that segwit would activate due to mandated bips.... it happened
i procrastinated that LN is being labelled as bitcoin 2.0 for everyone to use instead of using bitcoin daily.. it happened

yep i am cynical, and critical thinker. but my thoughts come with references and data to back them up. not emotion
i actually pulled out a key thing to campaign over.. the 120 being removed. and explained how 0-e-l-e-o thought it was a grace period before an order is activated, when infact it was a limit to how long an order can last. which has been removed meaning orders can now last longer.


i dont rely on twitter/blog influencers to form my opinion by them handing me a script to recite. i read the source data, i then check it out and verify. 0-e-l-e-o seems to have just jumped straight into the same script recited on the blog found in the tweet. and then his buddy(you) defend him without you checking if o-e-l-e-o is right or not..
sorry but social drama does not make things fact just because 2 people can poke emotion into a discussion.

try spending more time researching and less time crying and social dramatising then crying more when someone bites back

after all
atleast i dont go full utopia of altnets and full bitcoin doomsday exaggeration("100mb by midnight, or broke")

but it is funny how you have not even bothered to read the topic or add substance to the topic content but just came here to start social drama .. as you always do
7005  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Rep. Jim Himes of CT Allegedly Sneaks in Anti-Crypto Provision into Bill on: January 27, 2022, 01:57:39 PM
So this is all getting wiped.
Now they can be implemented by Janet Yellen (who's not exactly friendly to bitcoin) simply saying so,
with absolutely no formal notice, due process, public involvement, legal challenges, etc.

If Yellen decides she wants to,
she can now make any exchange freeze your account or even freeze all accounts (i.e. stop the exchange from operating) on a whim,

and there is no process by which she can be stopped, delayed, challenged, etc.

This needs challenged. Call your representatives. And get your funds off centralized exchanges before it's too late.

just quoting again to emphasise the exaggerations, mainly for comedy but to summarise how its all silly fear from those that took more time reading a conspiracy blog as their opinion rather than reading the actual wording of the bill (without said conspiracy leaning preset-bias)

1. its not yellen simply saying so, its not on a whim.
2. she cant just write an order on a post-it note. there are processes and things inplace that she needs to go through
3. she still has a process of consulting multiple agencies and assessing the negative impacts, and the lawfulness.
4. she cant just say 'close account X' for no reason
7006  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Rep. Jim Himes of CT Allegedly Sneaks in Anti-Crypto Provision into Bill on: January 27, 2022, 12:42:11 PM
I read through the documents, though many of the things there were speculated and not actually facts. There is not major threat to exchanges. I sense some kind of media hype.
The major thing propose there was to extend  bank secrecy act to cryptocurrency. This means exchanges will be compelled to remit every details of customers transactions to the state's  criminal investigation file.
My take:
    • The provisions will grossly go against people's privacy. So, such attempt will not work
    • The major clause there about account freezing was just a speculation of the writer I think.
    • Anyone using an exchange should expect anything of this nature, so it is not something so strange.

    even that is a bit of a exaggeration..
    the exchange has to record keep (locally within the exchange(same as usual)). and only report users that flag up as potential money launderers, criminals, terrorists, ransomware(same as usual)

    EG if yellen tells an exchange that some ransomware used address bc1qransomwareretirement
    then the exchange could check the taint of its users deposits and if a deposit was tainted with that ransomware funds. THEN that users records would be reported.

    this does not mean that the users funds are frozen at the time of the report. the exchange then needs to receive an order once fincen/nat sec does an investigation

    its not the case that all users are reported for every transaction all because they had transactions in the same block or blockchain that a ransomware transaction occured in.
    only the user with ransomware taint would be reported if a order was to report ransomware related transactions[/list]
    7007  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Rep. Jim Himes of CT Allegedly Sneaks in Anti-Crypto Provision into Bill on: January 27, 2022, 12:36:32 PM
    im going to have to laugh here.

    o-e-l-e-o is taking a context of still requiring that she doesnt go against any law/regulation.. to make it sound like she can do as she pleases at a whim..
    ignoring things like she still needs to consult many other agencies and assess the burden/legality any action she takes might have..

    but hey. instead of arguing about the removal of the 120 limit of action. he wants to argue that yellen is an outlaw and can do anything for any reason. totally ignoring how the representatives would quote back to o-e-l-e-o that yellen cant just do as she pleases. listing the reasons
    7008  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Rep. Jim Himes of CT Allegedly Sneaks in Anti-Crypto Provision into Bill on: January 27, 2022, 11:57:58 AM
    So this is all getting wiped. So yes, the special measures franky1 has outlined have always existed, but could only be implemented by regulation. Now they can be implemented by Janet Yellen (who's not exactly friendly to bitcoin) simply saying so, with absolutely no formal notice, due process, public involvement, legal challenges, etc. They used to have a time limit associated with them - that's been scrapped too.

    If Yellen decides she wants to, she can now make any exchange freeze your account or even freeze all accounts (i.e. stop the exchange from operating) on a whim, and there is no process by which she can be stopped, delayed, challenged, etc.

    This needs challenged. Call your representatives. And get your funds off centralized exchanges before it's too late.

    firstly. what o-e-l-e-o misses out on is that yellen cant decide what she wants and freeze any account as she pleases on a whim

    because she is restricted by:
    Quote
    by order, regulation, or otherwise as permitted by law,

    meaning she has to get a court order.. (means she has to explain why, and a judge has to agree)
    its a reason already listed in regulation or law. (she is not creating law, she has to follow the law.. as fincen does)

    she has to obide by the laws. and can only request a account to be frozen if its deemed to have broken the law.

    its not that she has new powers that fincen do not. its that she has the SAME powers as fincen.
    the removal of (3) 120days. is not about any grace period before something becomes new law. its that any current order used to only be active for 120 days. but now can last longer.

    where she and fincen both have to actually provide proof and reasoning for requesting a account to be frozen
    ..
    as for the rest of the twitter rant and attached blog about shutting down an exchange purely for confirming a block that was made by some foreign asic farm.. thats just pure BS crazy nonsense

    if people like o-e-l-e-o actually read it and campaigned for "dont allow special measures to last beyond 120 days!"
    instead of his conspiracy "does this mean new laws can happen without notice"

    he might actually have a more realistic campaign

    old (3)
    Quote
    3)Duration of orders; rulemaking.—Any order by which a special measure described in paragraphs (1) through (4) of subsection (b) is imposed (other than an order described in section 5326)—
    (A) shall be issued together with a notice of proposed rulemaking relating to the imposition of such special measure; and
    (B) may not remain in effect for more than 120 days, except pursuant to a rule promulgated on or before the end of the 120-day period beginning on the date of issuance of such order.

    new (3)
    Quote
    Process for selecting special measures.—In selecting which special measure or measures to take under this subsection, the Secretary of the Treasury—
    (A) shall consult with the Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, any other appropriate Federal banking agency (as defined in section 3 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act) [1] the Secretary of State, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, the National Credit Union Administration Board, and in the sole discretion of the Secretary, such other agencies and interested parties as the Secretary may find to be appropriate; and
    (B) shall consider—
    (i) whether similar action has been or is being taken by other nations or multilateral groups;
    (ii) whether the imposition of any particular special measure would create a significant competitive disadvantage, including any undue cost or burden associated with compliance, for financial institutions organized or licensed in the United States;
    (iii) the extent to which the action or the timing of the action would have a significant adverse systemic impact on the international payment, clearance, and settlement system, or on legitimate business activities involving the particular jurisdiction, institution, class of transactions, or type of account; and
    (iv) the effect of the action on United States national security and foreign policy.

    as seen she still needs to seek authorisation from governors of the FRS, banking agency, secretary of state, SEC, CFTC NCUA. and assess any impact she makes.

    the only difference is those orders can only last 120 days prior revision, but now has no end point.
    7009  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is a fraction of Global Assets value (Ark-Invest report) on: January 27, 2022, 11:45:40 AM
    a better metric is the utxo realised value.
    basically it looks at all the utxo's (unspent btc) and checks the price of them on the date they EACH moved. which means each coin has its own price that is calculated from when the coin was received. and so thats the value someone paid for it.

    This metric will estimate not how valuable bitcoin is, but how much it was transacted. It is something else.

    It is the same the say Apple (company) value is the total amount of USD they made selling phones. It is not.
    When you use Marketcap metric, the assets of the company are included, the about the expectations of future sales, the profits, etc etc.

    Quote
    market cap is meaningless because i can make a crap coin with a 1trillion coin premine. get it listed on an exchange and sell 0.01 for $0.50 an instantly create a coin with a $50 trillion market cap.

    But you cannot  sell 0,0001 BTC for 1 million USD and say that bitcoin market cap is now trillions of dollars.
    The volume is too high. You can't even move the price so much in a single exchange anymore.

    You can manipulate crap coins marketcap like you said, but not bitcoin's.

    really??

    most market orders are for 0.01 ($350)
    its easy to make a change from
    bitcoin price: $35000    market cap: $665,000,000,000
    to
    bitcoin price: $35100    market cap: $666,900,000,000
    yes a change of 1.9billion in cap by just being willing to buy 0.01 for $1 extra ($351)
    yep it only costs $1 to move the cap by 1.9billion

    yet the utxo realized capitalisation or the minted realised capitalisation accounts for each coins value requiring time and actual calculations
    7010  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is a fraction of Global Assets value (Ark-Invest report) on: January 27, 2022, 10:59:13 AM
    I wonder if there is any stats for the money transferred through Omni layer (tokens running on bitcoin network) such as shitcoins like Tether (USDT). After all they've existed for many years, even before the shittoken hype began on centralized platforms.

    never use market cap as a number of anything. its a meaningless number
    Market capitalization is meaningless when used for altcoins for a lot of reasons, but for bitcoin what is commonly and wrongly referred to as Market Cap is actually money supply which is a very good characteristic to look at, specially since bitcoin is a currency and should be compared to other currencies. When we do such a comparison we have to convert them all to one currency, in which case we multiply the supply with price (aka compute market cap of that currency).

    I agree that marketcap is not perfect, but it is the best thing we have.

    its actually not the best thing we have
    a better metric is the utxo realised value.
    basically it looks at all the utxo's (unspent btc) and checks the price of them on the date they EACH moved. which means each coin has its own price that is calculated from when the coin was received. and so thats the value someone paid for it.

    ..
    market cap is meaningless because i can make a crap coin with a 1trillion coin premine. get it listed on an exchange and sell 0.01 for $0.50 an instantly create a coin with a $50 trillion market cap.

    yet if i wanted to get a utxo realised value, id have to sell all the coins and calculate the total of the price they were moved at.

    ..
    take for instance other easy metrics to measure
    like did you know if you take the coins as they are mined and give them an min, average and max value of that year. you can see that just the minting of coins created a baseline value of:
       min total   $18,518,589,967.50
       avg total   $34,424,101,251.86
       max total   $68,483,090,513.25

    and the utxo realised total (realised capitalisation) is ~$455 billion

    these numbers cant be faked as it require actual movements creation and prices of those movements/creations. OVER TIME

    7011  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Rep. Jim Himes of CT Allegedly Sneaks in Anti-Crypto Provision into Bill on: January 27, 2022, 10:23:18 AM
    seems like another over exaggeration of the wording.. much like the crazy nutjob conspiracy of the 'devs are broker' thing last year that spread on twitter

    seems someone thinks that asking an exchange to record keep its customers trades.(in the bill) is now sounding like destroy exchanges in a tweet

    sorry but the bill does not say anything about unilaterally shutting down exchanges

    the special measures in the tweets linked exaggeration blog are said like this
    Quote
    Authority for so-called “special measures” is at 31 U.S.C. § 5318A. There are five of them. The first four allow the Secretary of the Treasury to direct financial institutions to engage in extraordinary surveillance and recordkeeping about their customer’s transactions (think: every detail of your transaction activities now goes straight to a criminal investigation file) and the fifth allows the Secretary of the Treasury to direct financial institutions to prohibit their customers from transacting at all (think: “we’re sorry but your account is frozen”). These measures can be put in place if the Secretary of the Treasury deems that

    reality is 4of 5 special measures ask an exchange to monitor and record keep customers transactions
    and report activities deemed as possibly money laundering/criminal
    the 5th allows the secretary to send an order to freeze a customers account if deemed illegal activity has occured

    this is not new powers. this is the same powers as all money exchanges have to be regulated by

    so here is the rational view of the bill
    firstly every transaction is not put on a 'criminal investigation file'  fincen and SEC are not going to be given reports every millisecond of every transaction.
    an exchange just has to record keep. and build a policy to notice certain flags that appear as laundering. and only report those. and its then the authorities who investigate and if deemed illegal(laundering/terrorism/ransomware) related the authorities get a court order to then ask the exchange to freeze the account

    this is the same policy as any fiat exchange for the last few decades

    ..

    the exaggeration blog also tries to make it sound like if a exchange even has a node confirming blocks where a block is from russia, the exchange can be charged as a money launderer(facepalm)

    seems someone wants to go to crazy town and misinterpret the actual wording to make it sound crazy, and then blame the crazy on the bill. (like the crazy exaggeration of devs are brokers' exaggeration last year by twitter nuts)

    personally i dont want to see any government over-reach that goes beyond consumer protection.. but when there are people exaggerating what is included in a bill. it makes it that much harder to fight any real problems, becasue when a bunch of conspiracy people are trying to get a bill repealed for non existent crazy reasons they made up. bill representatives think any campaign against a bill are just conspiracy loonies. thus the bill representatives close their ears to any real campaign treating real campaigns if they are also the conspiracy crazy ones

    if only these people thought rationally and actually looked for real flaws in a bill instead of making up crazy exaggerations/conspiracies, then campaigns to get representatives of a bill to listen might get some more attention when real flaws come up.
    7012  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is a fraction of Global Assets value (Ark-Invest report) on: January 27, 2022, 02:36:47 AM
    never use market cap as a number of anything. its a meaningless number
    it does not represent reserves of value transfered.

    same goes with anything.

    if i had a company that had 1 million shares. and 1 share sold for $10. only $10 has changed hands. yet a market cap would show as company valued at $10million

    the market cap of bitcoin is the same. there are 19mill coins. and those 19mill are multiplied by the latest price even if the latest price was for just a $35 order of 0.001coin.

    as for the value transfered.
    lets say that 275.4million coins moved in a year
    and the average price of the year was $47.6k =13,152,000,000,000
    yea $13trillion change hands

    (asking google)
    visa does 188billion transactions per year
    (asking google)
    visa does average $80 per transaction

    meaning visa transfers $15trillion per year

    some may argue
    that bitcoin transfers arn't all 'spends', where some are shuffling coins to addresses of same wallet.(hot-cold)
    but the same can be said for visa, people shuffling money into different cards in the same wallet(debit-credit)
    7013  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Another solo miner with approximately 86TH solved a solo block on: January 27, 2022, 02:08:29 AM
    [...]
    other pools dont waste their connections on that many random users
    [...]
    its not in the same hierarchy of the important nodes peer connections (pools and merchants) so it gets its last block delayed by atleast two peer 'relay times',
    [...]
    all of which gives pools an upper hand of multiple seconds compared to a home hobby miner doing it truly solo.

    Thanks, that's exactly what I was asking about.  That said, I didn't do the math, but 1% (or 2%) of in case I find a block within seconds of another blocks...

    How many seconds of latency must a miner save for the odds of a block collision to decrease by 1%?

    And don't I have to just trust the claim about being "well connected" or is there a way for a miner to verify that?

    I am in no way saying that it doesn't have legitimate use case.  "I'd rather pay a cut than having to bother with all that" is absolutely legit.  As for the connectivity advantage, I still feel that the line is so fine that we may only guess whether it it is worth that 1% or 2%.

    Though, considering the current value of the block reward, it's still difficult for me to think that the owner of a farm large enough to mine solo would not want to "bother" doing it itself.

    the pool (looking at stats in previous posts) is not a farm, its lots of small users in different locations.
    the users (looking at stats in previous posts)its hobby miners not farms, its ~2200 people with 5-6 asics each on average.

    a block if we average it as 600 seconds.
    imagine your a normal home user with 8 connections to peers and say there are 80,000 nodes to reach where each peer also has 8 connections

    8*8*8*8*8=32k(4 relays)  so your going to need 5 relays to reach 80k nodes meaning if each relay takes just 1 second that is atleast 5 seconds
    (EG home internet at 8mbps = >1 sec to send 8 blocks)

    then its the case that because you are not in the centre circle of the important nodes you are going to get previous block a few relays after the important nodes. which is another few seconds.

    so just at relay delay of getting pre block and sending out your solved block is more then 1% delay(>6seconds)


    however pools that are at the centre of the circle with 900mbps speed can reach the important nodes(otherpools and merchant tools) in 1 relay under 1 second. and the rest of the network in a couple fast relays
    so what might take you 7-10 seconds just in bandwidth time can be just 1-2 seconds for pools

    then its the smaller millisecond math of how fast a blocktemplate can be formed and then sending the work to an asic and updated the asic with new work each time it runs out of extra nonces. generally a pool can do this and send it to your asic faster than a home hobby miner can do self managed locally.

    so the 'speed benefit' of pooling might be 1.x% but also a pool has lots of servers and thousands of bandwidth connections to cost in.
    so 2% might not actually be unreasonable.

    but then again. a block reward is 6.25*$35k=$218k so 2% is $4375
    however although the POOL showed it solved 10 blocks in 23 months.
    an average user if it did indeed go solo would take 400 years to mine a block. and the monthly internet bill of a 900mbps connection to have the same low latency delay as a pool will cost you more then $4k by the time you get a lucky block
    7014  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Investor Psychology on: January 27, 2022, 01:37:40 AM
    In theory it is very easy to say buy bitcoin when the price is falling. However, when we enter the psychological market, it will be more and more toyed with, capital management also needs to be considered. Sometimes traders have bought at a low price according to them, but when the market crashes like now they have no reserves to buy again. Buying bitcoin when the price is falling is everyone's desire, but where the price is right to buy will vary.

    if you can work out a value window of what the last highs and lows are of the last X months. either just looking at the price chart plots. or being smarter and also considering the mining cost numbers.
    example here a couple pages back
    and say the value window is $30k to $70k range
    then you take that amount difference between. and decide where the price sits:


    $30k-$40k 'so cheap id sell my wife for some coin'-> cheap
    $40k-$50k cheap->average
    $50k-$60k average->premium
    $60k-$70k premium->'so expensive id rather buy a wife'

    try not to buy coin when having a wife comes with more benefits
    7015  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Question About Bitcoin Blocks on: January 27, 2022, 12:25:33 AM
    Think of Bitcoin mining not so much verifying transactions and more like trying to crack a code.  Once the code is cracked, you get a block reward and can add transactions to the blockchain.  

    the topic creator was mentioning a scenario of in 2140 when the reward is zero. where the income for miners is very much 100% based on transaction income. where he then asks of a scenario where there are no transactions in mempool to choose from.

    7016  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Another solo miner with approximately 86TH solved a solo block on: January 27, 2022, 12:15:26 AM
    I may be missing something, but how does connecting to ckpool "lower" any latency?  The block header is 80 bytes, and AFAIK most miners are okay with mining an empty block on top of a valid header for a few seconds because "Who the heck would produce a valid header without a valid merkle-root?" Sure, the previous block needs to be downloaded completely to figure which transactions to include in the next block, but we are talking about 2% fee.

    So high speed (which I assume means "high throughput" in this context) seems practically (if not completely) unnecessary. Then latency being the main (arguably only) important factor, I remain unconvinced.

    its not just about solving a block. its then propagating that solve out to the whole network so other peers can "first seen" it and declare it a winner if its validated before another pool gets a solve.

    a pool is not connected to just 8 nodes like a normal home hobby user is. a pool is usually connected to hundreds of nodes including other pools.
    other pools dont waste their connections on that many random users. they prefer to white list other pools and then merchant services(economically important nodes) who then propagate out to their peers.

    so the more connections a pool has to important peers means their block solve gets seen and validated before other pools solve their block. and of course a pool is connected to the 13000 asics(2325 users)

    ..
    a normal hobby miner doing true and very well known actual solo mining where it has to get the previous block, create its own header and then send the work to its own asic, takes longer. for these reasons:

    its not in the same hierarchy of the important nodes peer connections (pools and merchants) so it gets its last block delayed by atleast two peer 'relay times',
    ..then because its usually managed by a desktop computer which validates the previous block slower. and then prunes off the spent coins out of mempool and then picks the unspent transactions from mempool to add to a template. means the hobby miner managing itself would take longer to form a template. and then because its not then well connected to other peers. if it solved a block, propagating that block might require several 'relay times' before the important nodes see it.

    all of which gives pools an upper hand of multiple seconds compared to a home hobby miner doing it truly solo.

    with that said yes 2% seems high. but then again 2% was not worth much years ago and CK simply has not decreased his amount.
    and the asics that use CK have no choice. accept what CK programs to give them or use another pool. because after all asics/users dont set the rate, the pool does
    7017  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Another solo miner with approximately 86TH solved a solo block on: January 26, 2022, 11:54:33 PM
    I have a harder time understanding why any "solo miner" would pay 2% to some "service provider" rather than mine on its own.

    I suspect that this is probably the biggest reason:

    Quote
    Solo.ckpool.org is extensively connected to high speed low latency bitcoin nodes for rapid block change notification and propagation.

    Solving a block is only half the battle.  First, the software that is building the block headers needs to hear about solved blocks as quickly as possible so you don't waste time mining a stale block at a height that is already propagated to a significant portion of the network. Then, once you do solve a block, you need to get it propagated to the majority of the network's hashpower before anyone else does the same.

    2% a a fee feels a bit high to me.  While there is some risk of losing a block due to poor propagation, I'd think that for most that risk would be less than 1%?

    CKPool claims:
    Quote
    This is a NOT-FOR-PROFIT pool

    But, I am left wondering where that 2% is going if it isn't being kept as profit. Perhaps running a pool like that is more expensive than I realize.

    as danny is now seeming to realise(congratulations) that its CK that create the block templates and ck that make the payment arrangement to give 98% to someone.

    the reason for the 2% is easy to explain.
    2% was worth alot less years ago. and ck simply has not reduced it to 1% or less, in recent years.
    Is it not more likely that a big enough mining farm mines to a lot of different reward address, making it appear as many small solo rewarders?
    What would be the incentive?

    A very large miner who want to stay low profile (i.e. not advertise to the world that he has massive mining power) may prefer to appear as a lot of smaller miners. The same way one may prefer to hold large funds across multiple addresses with lower values rather than some large amounts on one or very few addresses. The blockchain is public.
    the user that got a 98% reward. has 4 asics averaging 3thash/s each, all using the same reward address
    {
     "hashrate1m": "10.2T",

       "workername": "3EoqjNmeaaVvVDCPbVXxQQRH6UFpDUqpPg.Golf1",
       "hashrate1m": "2.97T",

       "workername": "3EoqjNmeaaVvVDCPbVXxQQRH6UFpDUqpPg.MegaRig02",
       "hashrate1m": "0",

       "workername": "3EoqjNmeaaVvVDCPbVXxQQRH6UFpDUqpPg.TheOmen",
       "hashrate1m": "4.15T",

       "workername": "3EoqjNmeaaVvVDCPbVXxQQRH6UFpDUqpPg.MegaRig01",
       "hashrate1m": "3.41T",
    }

    But in my opinion, neither do not satisfactorily explain the several blocks found recently.

    ck pool manages
    {"Users": 2325, "Workers": 13532,}{"hashrate1m": "26P",
    thats ~ 13532 asics running at ~2thash/sec each

    with 26peta at play all working to solve a block. every 2.3 months on average the pool solved a block. and within that pool the asic that was the lucky one gets the win

    emphasis on average
    out of 190exahash network, the 26peta pool is a 1 in 7300 chance of solving a block
    every fortnight there are 2016 blocks so on average a block 'should' be solved by ck pool once every 1month 3 weeks
    but looking at the last 10 blocks solved by ck pool, it has averaged at a rate of 1 every 2.3 months.
    so it has had a period of bad luck and now having a period of goodluck.
    thats the thing about randomness. its never an even projected/predicted result. you can have good and bad months
    7018  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Congress Hearing On Bitcoin’s Energy Use on: January 26, 2022, 05:23:00 PM
    7019  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Another solo miner with approximately 86TH solved a solo block on: January 26, 2022, 03:28:14 PM
    While I like this analogy, I think an alternative analogy that more closely matches would be to consider "pool" miners as those that are actual "employees".  They get paid their salary (or hourly wage) regardless of how much money they personally bring in for the business, and regardless of which employee in the company completes the job that all the employees are working on. An employee that works more hours will get paid more since he did more work, but everyone that works gets paid.  Solo mining with this analogy would be more like an independent contractor.  The contractee still assigns the jobs for the contractor to do, but the contractor only gets paid for the specific tasks that they successfully complete. The revenue that the contractor generates for the contractee is not shared among any other employees of the contractee nor any other contractors that the contractee may have contracts with. Some contractors may choose to go out and find jobs independently, others may rely on a service to find the jobs for them (and will then have to pay a small fee for that service), but in either case, they only get paid for the specific tasks that they successfully complete

    your mindset is solo rewarding rather than share rewarding. ..
    solo MINING is about management of the MINING WORK

    also the pool is the business that has employees(workers) its not that a pool is the worker..
    so dont try mixing metaphors.

    a business with employees where the manager sets the work for the employees is a pool

    a self employed worker with no boss telling him what to do and no one to be accountable to is solo

    i know you now want to add in a new paradigm of a contractee contractor. but CK is not a contractee.. as his stratum is the same management system as a pool. all that changes is the reward share. being CK 2% worker 98% instead of CK 100% 0% worker, then negotiate share separately.

    the WORK management for ck pool and other pools is the same. all thats different is the pay structure

    solo vs pool MINING is about who manages the MINING the secret is in the word mining
    solo rewarding vs share rewarding is about the payout rate. not the mining task

    different pools have different pay schemes. changing just the pay scheme does not mean a miner is suddenly a solo miner.

    a business that pays waitresses just on tip they personally worked. does not mean she is no longer an employee of the cafe. because if she was not an employee. she would not be working in the cafe being told which tables to service.
    it just means she has a different pay structure and is probably going to not take home any money if she doesnt do the work

    if she was self employed, she would own the cafe and serve the tables herself. and keep all the money.
    7020  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Question About Bitcoin Blocks on: January 26, 2022, 01:02:50 PM
    if there are no transactions. then bitcoin is already dead.
    if there are transactions then bitcoin is still useful.
    once the reward depletes miners are less incentivised to mine PURPOSEFULLY empty blocks just for the reward because there wont be a reward, so they only get paid by adding in transactions.

    obviously if there are no users making transactions. and thus no miners wanting to mine for free. the blockchain just halts and stops building on itself.

    bitcoin remains useful to users if its affordable to users. it txfee's become stupidly expensive because of limited amount of possible transactions. that will deter usage. and thus shoot miners in the foot.
    ..
    imagine user preference is a max of $2/tx before they move away from using bitcoin.
    a block that only holds 2000tx average is only $4k fee total

    gentle progression of more transaction count capacity per block ensures that the overall block cost does not have to be met by only 2000 transactions. but progressively 4000tx, 8000 16,000 thus keeping fee's low and keeping bitcoin useful, while combining the fees to award more to miners.. ($8k, $16k, $32k respectively, while individual users still only pay $2 each)

    other factors are that there are about 1.5millions asics (distributed within ~20 pools)right now..  where by if transactions become lax we may see many asics drop off EG 1m asics in 13 pools... then 500k asics in 6 pools.
    the 'share' of the fee's can be shared between less people meaning each miner gets more of the share
    eventually if transactions become so infrequent, it may become only 3 asics running by 3 people who can just about afford to keep mining.
    (the difficulty adjusts depending on how many asics are hashing and solving blocks too quick or too slowly)
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