They are not in circulation, they are in storage.
You wants Satoshi to moving them or loose them?

What?
Course he want's them.
They are his.
Leave them alone.

Like Theymos?
www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4isxjr/petition_to_protect_satoshis_coins/d30we6f

"Please don't disrespect TPTB_need_war. His is working as furiously as he can, and no one helps him. Maybe one day he will get some assistance and be recognized for his efforts. But he doesn't care! He is doing what he is doing as a labor of love and because he loves the challenge."

I'm reading, but struggling to keep up on many threads.
On this thread, segwit worries me more than China at the moment.
Or more specifically the soft fork and untestedness of it all in the timeframe.

But bitcoin is not destroyed yet on these counts?
More likely "destroyed" by other points by TPTB in other threads?
(TPTB was temp banned for his hard to keep up with, but def relative efforts for serious readers. sig spammers run amok.)

Calm down, his family must know something about all this.

Even if they don't realize this usb stick is potentially worth half billion dollars,
They must know it is potentially of some great value by now?

They will have checked.

Fucking dick head neubie.

Shame that.
Did Sandrine sell it to you?



     

James mod, analysing a 15 btc dump* to new lows, (average days trade under 1 btc)
"The volume is a positive sign. What do you think?"

Priceless.

* (ex)team or angel drawing their pension.

Medium priority TX.
Just wait a few months for segwit, I think that is the plan.

Can't speak for scam, but me, I don't think so.
It's not worth that much to me.
(mind you, you sure are grumpy, even to neucoiners  )

I think you have probably been a bit mercenary.

You were drafted in later on? *
When the others left?
You were paid well?
Or offered a commission?
You must have seen what a bad set up it was?
Before you joined?
Are you still holding neucoin?
How much did it cost you?
Was neucoin a good career move for you?

Oh, and do you respect Dart and James mods?  

(* just remembered you were there at the beginning, lurking. Sandrine forgot to mention you were part of the team)

I bet you wish you hadn't been Suckered in now.

No neucoin burnt as yet.
More BS?
No interest on nokoin forum, as expected.
What's up, Dan cant bear to press the destruct button?

He should though, it's another great deal for him, as always.

He burns 2 billion coins tagged for distribution to the masses, but keeps all the hundreds of millions of team restricted coins.
Doubling his already excessive stranglehold overnight.
Doubling the distribution problem, not halving it.
Doubling the % of total coin owned by team. (higher than ever before)

I wasn't offended. I am more offended by the lack of intelligent discussion here. (on bct in general)
I was following that linked thread, it was very informative, including mod input, but now it is deleted?

I commented on spam recently. No reply, no action, no interest.
(was this thread moved from discussion? should it be in meta, it's actually more about the moderation?)
Hilarious?

Only that blocks weren't very full a while ago, then more recently they got fuller, now they are nearly full.
I'm guessing next stop is full.

https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-per-block?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=

Where did I say I want to rush anything? I said it is too late now to "plan"
If Core did have a plan in place for this situation, there would be no need to rush anything (segwit maybe, hf to classic maybe) and no need to worry about gridlock.


Fine, doesn't address my question.


As you say, spam is hard to define.
Standard fee payers have never had much to fear from spam.


I agree,
But as I said, "On Bitcoin's present trajectory blocks will be.."

I do have a bit of a problem with segwit, but that is not the issue here. It's the period from now untill segwit, (or not) that is relevant here.


I am saying adoption is growing, not falling. (yet) Or there would not be a problem.
So, if blocks become full, (due to continued adoption) high fees will be needed to drive away users.
If high fees do not drive away users, and adoption continues, still everyone cannot fit into blocks, causing delayed and unpredictable tx's.
Delays will then drive away users.
Either fees or delays will drive away users. If the average tx rate goes over 1mb per 10 min, (due to continued adoption) something has got to give.


I do not want free tx's, I want standard(ish) fees I can plan for, as I have said earlier.
In a panic or busy time, if a rush is on, if the mempool grows rapidly, you will need to spend far more than 10 cents to have any hope of moving coins.
But worse, more likely your coins will be stuck in the mempool for days as panic goes on and your fee is over bid.
That is when you will be hostaged.


Time is bringing that day closer.
Were Gavin and Hearn a year too early. Should they have waited untill it was a problem?
I guess they were looking ahead to now, (and the next month or two) trying to plan. (foresight?)


That is in the balance. If tx's do gridlock, panic, HF.
Maybe not, but Core will be pushing people that way for sure.
What other option is there?
Wait for segwit. (which could be delayed, slow to adopt, etc.)
If a perma backlog occurs, Core are planless. Powerless.


A full block backlog situation.
There is no crisis currently I agree.
But it is coming "at some point". For certain if adoption is continuing, or as a possibly due to a panic.
(i also suspect it could happen very quickly and permanently)
The question is will segwit arrive in time, (before gridlock) to avert panic/frustration.
(BTW, an increasing hash rate is finding "quicker" blocks at the moment, giving the effect of a larger block size - more tx's per second. that wont always be so. diff adjustment in 4 days may change that)


I think they do need a plan B. I think they should have foreseen this possibility.
Even if it was only a "possible" outcome.
It is certainly going to happen in time. segwit is now under pressure to deliver, even more.
A plan could have been in place. Simple.

Hard to build on though.

So satoshi is not entitled to his profits, for the greater good.
Yet every other Donkey holding bitcoin is?

If Satoshi has held the key to a millionish so far untouched coins, maybe he can be trusted in the future. (a bit)

Maybe the possibility should be priced in, regardless of the current claim.

But if we had 100 times the tx ability and adoption, in time, tx's would be 7cents.
That is why there is a good block subsidy in the earlier years, decreasing with adoption.
Inflation allows other still early adopters, and secures the network.

Utilities are just part of miners overheads. Electric companies also have overheads, and so on.

I wouldn't go that far.

But I do think guilty of over zealous posting, which blur's the mod role he performs.
Seems like every other post is Lauda saying either you are right or you are wrong.
It's too in your face.
It stifles discussion and aids trolling.

What's all this about for example?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1164464.60
Lauda's comment totally uncalled for, imo. Leading to at least 3 of the 5 following posts off topic spam/trolling.
(has VeritasSapere done something wrong?)

Not trying to be confrontational here, just saying,
Can't Lauda bite his tongue occasionally?

Pretty much the only thing they say in this (BU) thread. I thought you had disproved that already?

ed. with great effort of research it would appear, to answer comments made on a whim.



I look forward to it. Some discussion written like we Wasn't 5

It's been 2 weeks, will you allow me a couple more?

I explained previously why I think a "fee market" is not compatible with "full" blocks. (i mean full, not nearly full)
Spare capacity is needed to deal with busy times in a consistent fee market, or it becomes a "hostage market".

And why plan to build up fees now, only to collapse fees with the "extra" capacity of segwit in a few months.
That is boom and bust.
Also Core want miners to allow segwit cheap fees?

Blocks are nearly full now, but not really full. Big difference.
On Bitcoin's present trajectory blocks will be really full before segwit. (as that's months away, if ever)
Or bitcoin adoption is kind of failing/slowing/deterred anyway?
Can that really be orderly or wanted by users.

I'm not prepared to be held hostage in the near future, unable to move my coins in the next general panic/rush.
Unable to move my coins in any predictable time frame.

All I see happening while we wait for segwit are delays, high fees, inability to move funds with any predictability,
panic/loss of faith.
Followed by HF to Classic as the only viable option for quick consensus.
(didn't satoshi foresee this kind of rapid consensus under pressure.?)

Core don't have a (publicised) plan B to avert such a situation.
Core will be handing it to Classic.
Maybe it will all be fine for Core.
Core supporters could stop using bitcoin for the next few months, that would help.

Obviously not going to be a popular opinion.
But Core could have had a plan B ready and publicised.