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721  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 16, 2014, 05:32:48 PM
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You are conflating a corporation's state law charter with the question of whether it has federal constitutional rights.
I'm not conflating anything.
I destroyed your silly suggestion that corporations would suddenly lose the ability to enter into contracts.

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That Arizona law, or any state law for that matter, would not give a corporation federal due process rights or protect it from abrogation of its contracts by the federal government.

Except that Federal law recognizes protections for corporations.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/1


Your histrionics aside, corporations aren't losing a single thing that they need to function properly.
722  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 16, 2014, 05:26:57 PM
.... such abilities would not be eliminated because corporations would retain those powers through EXACTLY THE AUTHORIZATION WHICH ALREADY EXIST.

For example:
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatD...10&DocType=ARS


As stated before:
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Corporations are legal fictions, and are subject to whatever legalities that legislators want to come up for them.
You are conflating a corporation's state law charter with the question of whether it has federal constitutional rights. That Arizona law, or any state law for that matter, would not give a corporation federal due process rights or protect it from abrogation of its contracts by the federal government.
So what?
So you would vastly increase the cost of bureaucracy and you likely would still get lesser qualified candidates even with the higher salary because workers desire lateral mobility.
What do you do for a living?
I like how you attempt to wedge in some idiotic claim that candidates would be "lesser qualified", when even you yourself have posted that the only change required is to raise wages.
The ONLY necessary difference would be an increase in wages for regulators. And the costs today of regulators being offered incentives from companies they regulate isn't exactly a boon to the taxpayer as it is, especailly when it comes to the revolving door with Wall Street banks.
723  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 16, 2014, 05:19:14 PM
.... such abilities would not be eliminated because corporations would retain those powers through EXACTLY THE AUTHORIZATION WHICH ALREADY EXIST.

For example:
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatD...10&DocType=ARS


As stated before:
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Corporations are legal fictions, and are subject to whatever legalities that legislators want to come up for them.
You are conflating a corporation's state law charter with the question of whether it has federal constitutional rights. That Arizona law, or any state law for that matter, would not give a corporation federal due process rights or protect it from abrogation of its contracts by the federal government.
So what?
724  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 16, 2014, 05:16:23 PM
.... such abilities would not be eliminated because corporations would retain those powers through EXACTLY THE AUTHORIZATION WHICH ALREADY EXIST.

For example:
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatD...10&DocType=ARS


As stated before:
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Corporations are legal fictions, and are subject to whatever legalities that legislators want to come up for them.
725  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Church of England to allow female bishops on: July 16, 2014, 05:12:28 PM
I would be glad to see dogma disappear, but would not enjoy the disappearance of faith. Faith is a wonderful tool, and something that each person should have a bit of at least.
726  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 16, 2014, 04:52:21 PM
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Amend Constitution to explicitly ban corporations and other liability-shielding business structures from being considered to have Constittuional rights

Allow government regulators a stipend and a job in human resources and ban them from taking any private sector job that is not far removed from any business sectors that they regulated in their government position for a period of 4 years.

Amend the Constitution to set a lower limit on the reserve ratio of private banks to 40%.
This implicitly gets rid of corporate income tax. It's stupid that entities other than individual humans were ever considered to have Constitutional rights.
It doesn't implictly get rid of anything. Corporations are legal fictions, and are subject to whatever legalities that legislators want to come up for them.

It's silly to think taxation of an organization and Constitutional rights are somehow inseparable.
What's to prevent governments from banning certain organisations it deems nasty--like your typical union or non profit? Or your newspaper?
And Rigon,so no more PIRGS? Ralph Nader would be unamused.
The right of actual humans to peaceably assemble.
Of course, a corporation is NOT a human -- it is explicitly detached from any particular human. It should be subject to exactly nothing more than the privileges a legislature grants in the charter -- it certainly shouldn't be the case where a piece of paper in a govt filing cabinet is successfully claiming to have a religion.
Okay but why should a newspaper have the right to freedom of the press? It's not an individual.
Firstly, a newspaper business doesn't need to incorporate.


Secondly, even if people do choose to incorporate a news business, a news corp doesn't need a right to freedom of the press. A corporate charter has never crawled out of its file cabinet to write a news article. Every article has a human journalist, so only journalists need freedom of the press.

It doesn't take a judicial scholar to sense that the publication of news articles would easily be protected as rights of the articles' authors, even if their employer does not have Constitutional rights. Corporate charters already are written to absorb liability, it would hardly be some crazy new thing for them to absorb the liability of the journalists as well, if ever needed.
The bottom line is that corporations explicitly are legally detached from humans. If you want to exercise the Constitutional rights then run your business under a human. It is ridiculous that people want to be shielded from human obligations and liability by having their businesses treated as non-human but then still want that non-human have a full set of human rights to be recognized.
It's not. And it makes sense to allow corporations to have the same rights as individuals. Your idea would make it so no one would want to run a business.
727  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 16, 2014, 04:17:47 PM
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Amend Constitution to explicitly ban corporations and other liability-shielding business structures from being considered to have Constittuional rights

Allow government regulators a stipend and a job in human resources and ban them from taking any private sector job that is not far removed from any business sectors that they regulated in their government position for a period of 4 years.

Amend the Constitution to set a lower limit on the reserve ratio of private banks to 40%.
The effects of your first suggestion would be disastrous and as others have pointed out would eliminate freedom of the press for newspapers. It would also eliminate due process, contract rights, etc. It's simply a pie-in-the-sky idea that would never work.

Your second idea is perhaps worse. Government already has a terrible time attracting and retaining professionals because of lower pay and opportunity. Right now the main incentive to go into public service is the experience. Your proposal devalues the experience completely. Who in the right mind would work for the government under your proposal?

Your last proposal will lower already minuscule interest rates for savers and will make loans more expensive. And ignores the real problem: the Fed's balance sheet.
It doesn't eliminate any of those things. Who would? The right kind of people -- which is the entire point. duh.Trouble attracting workers? Raise the pay until you attract workers.
OH MY GOD -- that was hard. It would do none of those things.

And only tinfoil loons who know shit about banking think "the real problem" is the Fed's holdings.
728  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way! on: July 16, 2014, 04:13:50 PM
We've come to a point that except for when you are in your bathroom...you should understand that you are being watched.  
We still need NEVER make that easy, and we can make it very expensive for their privacy violations. I intentionally do many transactions in cash, especially those over $10K, and then delay my responses.
729  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Israel: Operation Protective Edge on: July 16, 2014, 04:04:33 PM
They were confirmed by the UN. The building was evacuated after the warning missile, but neighbors went to the rooftops to deter the strike of a civilian home and the likely destruction and damaging of theirs. The second strike on the target killed them.

Not a smart move on their part, but there is also no legal justification for the targeting of such a civilian home in the first place. Amnesty International was pretty quick to respond to the incident, as was OCHA. Other homes have likewise been targeted in the operation thus far, though none on Monday and Tuesday that were quite so tragic.
I'm not sure if the interpretation should be that they are idiots or if I should consider them closer to the monks who practice self-immolation. Although now that I think of it, I'm not sure what I should think about those monks either.
I don't think they expected to die. It seems more like a standing in front of bulldozers type of protest, only with a higher chance of failure. I don't think they felt that Israel would strike if they were seen there, but it got bombed anyway.
730  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way! on: July 16, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
I wonder how long it will be before people start pulling their guns out and shooting down the drones? These gun-nuts feel threaten by weather balloons.
Haha.  I am sure that it will happen one day. If the drone will get too close to me it will get a punch too :-)
But like I told before  atm I don't see any flying rigs around :-)

I will shoot a drone over my property in a heartbeat "IF" I see it, and it is within range.
....and I have no doubt umair you would shoot some poor man knocking on your door asking for a glass of water! lol
Not unless he had killed our outdoor dogs, and "IF" he had NOT, we would know he was coming before he arrived. I have never shot at a plane flying over my property, however, an uninvited drone is burned toast.
Good policy Umair.
731  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Israel: Operation Protective Edge on: July 16, 2014, 03:38:33 PM
They were confirmed by the UN. The building was evacuated after the warning missile, but neighbors went to the rooftops to deter the strike of a civilian home and the likely destruction and damaging of theirs. The second strike on the target killed them.

Not a smart move on their part, but there is also no legal justification for the targeting of such a civilian home in the first place. Amnesty International was pretty quick to respond to the incident, as was OCHA. Other homes have likewise been targeted in the operation thus far, though none on Monday and Tuesday that were quite so tragic.
732  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 16, 2014, 03:22:29 PM
Yes, sana, I am amongst the center. I lean left, but I am, overall, a moderate. In fact, Alaska, this issue is one of those that PROVES I'm part of the middle. I don't support bans on civilian ownership of guns. I DO support gun ownership, and even concealed carry. I just support reasonable regulation on both. What regulation of guns do YOU support?
I suggest that maybe you've isolated yourself among like minded people for so long that you may have lost track of what 'normal' is. See, that's where the problem begins because in my experience, people who have to say they support 'reasonable' regulation generally support nothing of the kind.  "Reasonable" becomes indicative of anything but reasonable. Oh, well that's easy.  Have you been convicted of a violent crime of any sort?  No gun for you, for 10 years. (back ground check by state governments).  Have you used a gun to commit a crime?  (aggravating factor at sentencing).  Are you under the care of a psychiatrist/psychologist?  A word from them to the local police... no guns for you.
Are you a convicted felon?   No gun for you.   Sorry, zolace.
A felony isn't necessarily a 'violent crime'.
It still precludes you getting a permit to carry a gun in MOST cases, 'violent' crime or not.

http://www.gunlawsbystate.com/felons-and-firearms/
Which is a good example of why folks like me think of governments as ham fisted and distrust them.
And yet you're a government worker, an enforcer.   This is a problem, sana.  Cognitive disconnect.
Not at all.

I was born into this country, a nation that whose national government has lost its mind and is self destructing.  Pragmatically speaking, there isn't a damn thing I can do about that so... I look out for myself and my own.

While doing that, I try to sound the alarm.  Perhaps its useless but... there it is.

The federal government is going to collapse.  How violent it becomes as it dies, remains to be seen.  The soviet union died without bloodshed.  One hopes unka sam is at least as good as the soviet union in that respect.

Hope for the best, plan for the worst.  The state governments will be the only entities capable of resisting the might of the feds if the feds decide to start killing people.

"We've made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!" J. Picard speaking of the Borg.

The US federal government has become very much like the Borg.
733  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 16, 2014, 03:07:41 PM
Yes, sana, I am amongst the center. I lean left, but I am, overall, a moderate. In fact, Alaska, this issue is one of those that PROVES I'm part of the middle. I don't support bans on civilian ownership of guns. I DO support gun ownership, and even concealed carry. I just support reasonable regulation on both. What regulation of guns do YOU support?
I suggest that maybe you've isolated yourself among like minded people for so long that you may have lost track of what 'normal' is. See, that's where the problem begins because in my experience, people who have to say they support 'reasonable' regulation generally support nothing of the kind.  "Reasonable" becomes indicative of anything but reasonable. Oh, well that's easy.  Have you been convicted of a violent crime of any sort?  No gun for you, for 10 years. (back ground check by state governments).  Have you used a gun to commit a crime?  (aggravating factor at sentencing).  Are you under the care of a psychiatrist/psychologist?  A word from them to the local police... no guns for you.
Are you a convicted felon?   No gun for you.   Sorry, zolace.
A felony isn't necessarily a 'violent crime'.
It still precludes you getting a permit to carry a gun in MOST cases, 'violent' crime or not.

http://www.gunlawsbystate.com/felons-and-firearms/
Which is a good example of why folks like me think of governments as ham fisted and distrust them.
734  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 16, 2014, 03:01:50 PM
Yes, sana, I am amongst the center. I lean left, but I am, overall, a moderate. In fact, Alaska, this issue is one of those that PROVES I'm part of the middle. I don't support bans on civilian ownership of guns. I DO support gun ownership, and even concealed carry. I just support reasonable regulation on both. What regulation of guns do YOU support?
I suggest that maybe you've isolated yourself among like minded people for so long that you may have lost track of what 'normal' is. See, that's where the problem begins because in my experience, people who have to say they support 'reasonable' regulation generally support nothing of the kind.  "Reasonable" becomes indicative of anything but reasonable. Oh, well that's easy.  Have you been convicted of a violent crime of any sort?  No gun for you, for 10 years. (back ground check by state governments).  Have you used a gun to commit a crime?  (aggravating factor at sentencing).  Are you under the care of a psychiatrist/psychologist?  A word from them to the local police... no guns for you.
Are you a convicted felon?   No gun for you.   Sorry, zolace.
A felony isn't necessarily a 'violent crime'.
735  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way! on: July 16, 2014, 02:34:25 PM
I wonder how long it will be before people start pulling their guns out and shooting down the drones? These gun-nuts feel threaten by weather balloons.
Haha.  I am sure that it will happen one day. If the drone will get too close to me it will get a punch too :-)
But like I told before  atm I don't see any flying rigs around :-)

I will shoot a drone over my property in a heartbeat "IF" I see it, and it is within range.
....and I have no doubt umair you would shoot some poor man knocking on your door asking for a glass of water! lol
736  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 16, 2014, 02:33:27 PM
Yes, sana, I am amongst the center. I lean left, but I am, overall, a moderate. In fact, Alaska, this issue is one of those that PROVES I'm part of the middle. I don't support bans on civilian ownership of guns. I DO support gun ownership, and even concealed carry. I just support reasonable regulation on both. What regulation of guns do YOU support?
I suggest that maybe you've isolated yourself among like minded people for so long that you may have lost track of what 'normal' is. See, that's where the problem begins because in my experience, people who have to say they support 'reasonable' regulation generally support nothing of the kind.  "Reasonable" becomes indicative of anything but reasonable. Oh, well that's easy.  Have you been convicted of a violent crime of any sort?  No gun for you, for 10 years. (back ground check by state governments).  Have you used a gun to commit a crime?  (aggravating factor at sentencing).  Are you under the care of a psychiatrist/psychologist?  A word from them to the local police... no guns for you.
737  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 16, 2014, 02:24:48 PM
What hostility? I stated a fact. My response was no more hostile than your declaration that you would not accept "because this is 'merica".

But the truth is, that is essentially the answer - as you and others have pointed out hundreds of times, a good percentage of the American people own firearms. Even more support the right to own them. No, I DON'T believe that in America, you'd get away with what you describe here.
Oh, I've never referred to myself as a 'law abiding' citizen... except ironically.  And, yes, I'm always willing to accept the consequences of my defiance.  Alaska will be voting on marijuana soon, it seems likely.  I will vote to end prohibition.  Unjust laws must be defied and they must be struck down, if possible.   I would have been part of the 'underground railroad' back in the slavery days... you?  Would you defy an unjust law?  That was 'humor'.  Applying a stereotypical 'drunken red neck' phrase to someone who is clearly neither is, 'humor'.
738  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 16, 2014, 02:17:52 PM
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I feel obligated to support laws that make it harder for criminals and mentally ill people to get their hands on them.
Such as?  I mean, it's already pretty hard to buy a firearm and sometimes mental illness descends upon someone unexpectedly.
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I also recognize that some places - some states and cities - have been reactionary in their approach, and always thinking that they have gun laws, but crime is still happening, they've instituted stricter and stricter laws that really only affect the law abiding.
That's true.  The 'law abiding' are, by definition, not the problem and there is this risk;  being made into a criminal when a law is created.  A gun owner hasn't actually done anything wrong and is not about to yet some dweeb in a legislature passes a law and 'poof', the gun owner is a criminal.
You should have read the whole post before starting to pick it apart. I addressed this - the point is that I support a national standard that would supersede all state and local regulation.
Hysterical reaction - the law I'm talking about would not make people who own firearms into criminals. The truth is, neither do the bans - which I don't support. Let's say your state bans all handguns (again - NOT something I'd support). Owning one prior to the ban going into place does not make you a criminal. Even if the law (as it likely would) required citizens to turn in their handguns, or have them permanently disabled, you STILL would not become a criminal unless you made the conscious decision to disregard the law and not do it.

I really do not understand your hostility.  You seem to be suggesting that it's not possible for a government to make criminals with the stroke of a pen.  Governments occasionally make laws 'retroactive'.  Additionally, passing a law that the legislators know is going to be ignored... what is that if not creating criminals out of thin air?  Suppose next year Congress decides that all US citizens must purchase bell bottom jeans.  After all, the bell bottom jeans industry is in crisis!  Literally 100's of jobs are on the line here.  But you DD, you anarchist scofflaw, refuse to buy your bell bottoms and blatantly walk around in your kilt, brazenly not even wearing drawers.  You're a criminal not because of something you did but because of something you didn't do... buy your damned bell bottoms.  :-)

Merely because something is law does not mean it should be obeyed.  In fact, un-just laws should not be.
MY hostility? That's downright comical, dude. Look at your bizarre hysterical  arguments on this - you paint this idiotic scenario about how the government is going to make you a criminal by passing a law. No, the government does NOT make you a criminal by passing laws. YOU make yourself a criminal by CHOOSING not to abide by those laws. Like I said, even if the government did pass a law banning all handguns, you would not be a criminal unless you chose not to divest yourself of those guns. But in the REAL world, that's not going to happen. Yes, there are some who WANT it. But there are not NEARLY enough people who want it to EVER get it passed. It's not going to happen. But people like you and Cowboy use THAT as a silly excuse to oppose ANY reasonable regulation of guns or the sale and purchase of them. What's funny is that it has about the same chance of being passed as your hypothetical requirement to buy bell bottomed pants.
I rest my case... or is your 'ground state' that of an angry jerk? Cause and effect apply here... unless you are going to suggest that 'cause and effect' have been legislatively banned? In the 'real world' that has happened.  It has even happened here. The example was meant to be funny and illustrative of how one is made into a criminal with the stroke of a pen.
739  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 16, 2014, 02:11:53 PM
Study: Murder, Violent Crime Fall as Concealed Carry Rises 130 Percent           
A study released by the Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC) shows the murder and violent crime rate has fallen significantly while concealed carry in this country surged 130 percent.

According to the CPRC, concealed carry permit holders in the U.S. rose from 4.6 million in 2007 to 11.1 million during the time period of 2007 to 2013.

And during that span, as more Americans got permits to carry guns with them for self-defense, the murder rate fell from "5.6 to 4.4 per 100,000." This is a 22 percent drop.

"Overall violent crime also fell by 22 percent over that period of time."

The report indicates that the number of concealed carry permits is not only still growing, but is doing so at a "faster and faster" rate.
http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2014/07/new-report-from-crime-prevention-research-center-shows-11-1-million-americans-hold-concealed-carry-permits/
740  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Drones can 'get you' in more than one way! on: July 16, 2014, 02:06:51 PM
I wonder how long it will be before people start pulling their guns out and shooting down the drones? These gun-nuts feel threaten by weather balloons.
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