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7301  Other / Off-topic / Re: Another Person 2 Person Payments (e.g., PayPal, Dwolla) network: PopMoney on: March 20, 2012, 11:52:53 AM
Interesting ... will be able to send internationally using PopMoney to MoneyGram service:
 - http://www.mobilepaymentstoday.com/article/191874/MoneyGram-and-Fiserv-hook-up-on-mobile-P2P-payments
7302  Economy / Economics / Re: Vatican & Bitcoin on: March 20, 2012, 11:24:00 AM
Anyone ever dropped a physical bitcoin into a Sunday collection basket?

Vatican Bank Account Closed At JP Morgan, Image May Be Hurt
 - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/19/vatican-bank-image-hurt-closed_n_1363432.html
7303  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best way to Accept BTC via Wordpress Store? on: March 20, 2012, 10:18:09 AM
Dwolla has support using Shopp.  I wonder if that software vendor would consider adding Bitcoin:
 - http://shopplugin.net

And just recently WooCommerce for Dwolla as well:
 - http://www.woothemes.com/extension/dwolla

Maybe hitting this URL prods them into understanding that there is demand:
 - http://www.woothemes.com/extension/bitcoin
7304  Economy / Trading Discussion / Caution w/ DWOLLA: You have been approved for INSTANT! on: March 20, 2012, 09:56:25 AM
Caution.

Dwolla customers are receiving the following mail message from Dwolla:

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From: Dwolla <no-reply@dwolla.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:20:48 -0700
Subject: You have been approved for INSTANT!

Hi [customer],

A spot has opened up for you to apply for Instant!

To begin, please follow these steps:
1.) Click here or head to Dwolla.com and login!
2.) Under Add/Remove Features in your account, apply for Instant.
3.) You will be notified in real-time if your application has been approved.
BONUS: Have an Apple or Android device? Go download the Dwolla mobile application to get money on your phone in an instant.

Reminder: Dwolla Instant will ask you to verify your identity by providing your social security number, as well as will require a check of your credit. This is a 'Know Your Customer' requirement for such services.

To view your latest account activity please login at https://www.dwolla.com.

What has been reported happening is that once you've applied for "Instant" your account gets locked and you are required to submit identification.

Once your identity is verified only then is the account unlocked.  Yourm application is then submitted for a third party credit check.  So the title of the message is misleading, and the fact that you will be locked out of your own account is not communicated at all.

7305  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Gr... aurum exchange won't process LR transactions :( on: March 20, 2012, 08:12:42 AM
Darn.


Are you talking about a temporary situation where they are out of LR for requests to exchange from bitcoin?
7306  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Electronic cigarettes? on: March 20, 2012, 06:54:08 AM
Would people be interested in electric cigarettes?

There is a seller for e-cigs listed in the Trade page on the Bitcoin wiki:
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade

Just because there is already a vendor doesn't mean there's room for competition though but just wanted to cc: you on this if you weren't aware of them.
7307  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Organised "Finney" attacks. on: March 20, 2012, 04:23:21 AM
I've been told that accepting 0 confirmation payments in bitcoin is a dangerous idea. There are people who say that there are ways to reduce the risk to virtually zero and others that say it will likely become a problem especially for high-value transactions. There is some disagreement from what I can gather.

There are two separate attacks regarding 0 confirmation -- one is the race attack and the other the Finney attack.  First on the race attack:

Almost everyone agrees that there is some risk where a merchant accepts as "paid" on 0/unconfirmed due to the race attack .  To protect against this attack the merchant can configure the client properly (no incoming connections, and explicitly have it be well connected to all the larger miners) and to weigh the risks versus the rewards.    When the attacker is not successful, the store ends up having made a valid, profitable sale and the would-be scammer ends up purchasing goods that might not otherwise have been wanted.   The attacker isn't going to be making 50 purchases at Home Depot in anticipation that at least one of those might be a successful double spend attempt.  So the risk of a race attack double spend should not stop a Home Depot from accepting on 0/unconfirmed.

Now lets say instead you have a machine that gives out quarters at the laundromat and charges a 1% fee.  Now for this it might be profitable to attempt to do double spend race attacks over and over even if an attempt is only successful 1 out of every 50 attempts.   The merchant in this instance is vulnerable to the race attack.

That 1 out of 50 success metric was a fabricated estimate.  Because bitcoins are not used much in retail yet there is no history of actual attacks available nor have any simulated attacks or other tests been performed to determine what this ratio would be against the way mining operates nowadays.

In both examples above, the merchant can self-insure against the risk by making the double spending tactic unprofitable in the long run (e.g., by charging more than 1% fee in the laundry vending machine example.)

With collusion and organisation the Finney attack could be much much worse.

Is this correct?

Every second that the miner holds onto that solved block is another second that the other miners have available to solve and announce a block at that same height.  Now picture the scammer with the shopping cart at Home Depot waiting for the text from the miner.  The scammer gets the green light, sprints to the cashier and hurriedly asks for checkout to be completed as quickly as possible.  Once the mined block with the double-spend arrives, in a minute or three later, the merchant will know a fraudulent double-spend just occurred.  Will the scammer even have made it out of the parking lot?  The planning and timing would have to be very well executed for this to be successful.

Then consider the other example above -- the vending machine at the laundry.  The merchant can limit the potential haul the scammer by simply limiting the amount that can be withdrawn per block. If $40 is the most that can be stolen the laundromat is probably not going to be the scammer's choice as to which merchant to hit.

Physical transactions have one characteristic that online transactions don't -- physical identity of the buyer.  The cashier and/or cameras at Home Depot will be able to make out the identity of the scammer.  If what the news media shows is typical, those who attempt heist jobs that require participation and coordination of multiple criminals will rarely ever succeed without getting caught.  That miner probably would hate to see a multi-ghash mining operation get seized because the timing by one of the conspirators was a little off.
7308  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Reliable way to get virtual VISA or Mastercard for BTC? on: March 20, 2012, 02:55:59 AM
Hi, I'm looking to buy a virtual CC (visa/MC) using BTC. What are the options? All the links in this thread seem to be dead now.

I'm aware of this for Virtual Mastercard:
 - http://www.btcinstant.com
7309  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crazy Concept with Bitcoins and Receipts on: March 20, 2012, 02:29:55 AM
If I understand correctly the idea, the store's checkout system 1/ generates a key pair 2/ prints out the QR code of the privkey on the cash receipt and 3/sends out the change to the bitcoin address.

One slight problem some might have with that though is that the customer cannot redeem the code instantly -- as the transaction by the merchant to load the funds to the address on the QR code from the receipt doesn't confirm immediately.  The key from the QR code could be imported immediately, just that it couldn't be redeemed / swept immediately.   This probably isn't a major problem but it detracts from the benefits of the concept slightly.

The customer can easily redeem the privkey on strongcoin.com or equivalent at a later time when its convenient for her.

A problem might will occur where there is difficulty in redeeming the code.  When the redemption doesn't occur immediately (e.g., while still in the store) then some of that "difficulty" will be the result of attempted fraud (e.g., claimed the code then makes a complaint that the code couldn't be redeemed.) and some will be for other reasons (customer couldn't figure it out, technical problems, etc.).

The risk of fraud will probably kill this idea before it even gets off the launch pad though.  The employer cannot prove the customer is in the wrong, so the end result is either the merchant ends up denying refunds to innocent customers who were truly unable to obtain their change (e.g., when the merchant itself runs an insecure system) or the merchant gives refunds for most claims and as a result the amount of fraudulent claims (and thus the cost of offering this) skyrockets.

So maybe requiring the customer to provide the public bitcoin address (obtained with a card swipe perhaps) is the only workable method for this.  There's no liability on the merchant's end -- the receipt provided shows the bitcoin address that was scanned and includes as well transaction info for the change payment that can be verified against the block chain.
7310  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [ANN] Bit-Pay expands Direct Deposit to CANADA and MEXICO, lower fees for USA on: March 20, 2012, 12:50:01 AM
Can anyone become a "merchant" or does there need to be an ecommerce site?

This is because for someone in the U.S. to send money to Mexico going through Bit-Pay for the cash out to a bank in Mexico at a 3.99% fee is now competitive with the least expensive money transfer alternatives.

Here's a recent report with some price comparisons:
 - http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/03/the-best-ways-to-send-money-abroad
7311  Economy / Gambling / Re: *[~BITLOTTO~]* Updated for easy multiple tickets! Mar Jackpot was over 100 BTC! on: March 19, 2012, 08:53:13 PM
Neat new service -- for visualizing transactions.

Here's the last BitLotto payout transaction:
 - http://www.btclook.com/#/txn/837fdfbc1e82efec54ae6a48deaeabc2eab52e1bd1339c2f422bd66d53c2373a

7312  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] Giftcards for Bitcoins! (www.giftcoin.net) [NOW WITH SSL!!!] on: March 19, 2012, 03:38:27 AM
Adding more giftcards! Once they're all uploaded you'll be able to order them now. You can find them on the main page or in the Resale category.

If you weren't aware, the links for About and Contact aren't functioning.

Also, this replaces BitEgg entirely then, right?
7313  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: pocketartillery = Liar and Scammer. on: March 19, 2012, 02:55:16 AM
Too late for this mess, but for anyone watching -- there's a system that works pretty well to prevent these situations from happening.

The #bitcoin-otc marketplace has been where for more than a year now over-the-counter trading occurs.  Trust history for your counterparty can be seen in the -otc's Web of Trust (WoT).  In cases where the counterparty does not yet have a sufficient trust history, there are fantastic things available, such as escrow!

For reference:
 - http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc#Risk_of_fraud
 - http://bitcoin-otc.com
 - http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php
 - http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#bitcoin-otc-foyer

 - http://www.btcrow.com (Escrow, 1%, with dispute arbitration).

7314  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'd like my change in bitcoins, please. on: March 18, 2012, 11:38:33 PM
Bookend for this thread. 

Further conversation on the subject is here:
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68065
7315  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crazy Concept with Bitcoins and Recipts on: March 18, 2012, 11:34:17 PM
This topic was bought up once before, but still is an excellent idea. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64569.0

More than once.  Including:
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=59919.0

Here's an interesting approach taken in Zimbabwe.  There physical coins are in short supply so a startup came along with a way that the merchant can pay out the change in mobile minutes instead:
 - http://www.techzim.co.zw/2012/03/start-up-solves-zimbabwes-change-problem-with-a-mobile-airtime-solution
7316  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Pay all change in Bitcoins instead of metal on: March 18, 2012, 11:32:54 PM
Bookend for this thread. 

Further conversation on the subject is here:
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68065
7317  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: iusecoins t shirt ... SCAM. DO NOT SEND THEM YOUR BTC on: March 18, 2012, 10:45:33 PM
Something happened to the owner  Huh


There is a name, phone number and street address associated with the domain.  Perhaps that will help in establishing contact?
 - http://who.securepaynet.net/whois.aspx?domain=iusecoins.com
7318  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin application from bitcoin.org needs to be open all time? on: March 18, 2012, 10:07:28 PM
To receive earned coins from pools, when the payout is made, does this app needs to be open?

Sorry guys, I'm real newbie Smiley But the question is sensible I think...

Yes, that is definitely a sensible question.  Here's a similar question and answer from the FAQ:

Quote
Q.) What happens when someone sends me a bitcoin but my computer is powered off?

A.) Bitcoins aren't actually "sent" to your wallet, the software only uses that term so that we can use the currency without having to learn new concepts. Your wallet is only needed when you wish to spend coins that you've received.
The coins that were sent to you when the client was not running will later appear as if they were received in your wallet when you later launch the client. It will download blocks and catch up with any transactions it didn't already have.

 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ#What_happens_when_someone_sends_me_a_bitcoin_but_my_computer_is_powered_off.3F
7319  Economy / Goods / Re: Americans: Spend bitcoins at Kroger group of stores on: March 18, 2012, 09:45:19 PM
And in case the name Kroger doesn't ring a bell, it is the company that operates Ralph's grocery stores, Fry's (grocery, not electronics), Food 4 Lees, Fred Meyer, and more.  Bitcoin converted to these USDs now can be spent alongside the $90 billion of retail spending occuring at Kroger stores annually.
 - http://www.thekrogerco.com

They also have a reloadable VISA prepaid debit card.  I wonder if these Kroger gift cards from SpendBitcoins can be used to load funds (or buy a re-charge card) for loading onto the VISA.
 - http://www.kpfprepaid.com/how-to-add-money.asp
7320  Economy / Gambling / Re: *[~BITLOTTO~]* Updated for easy multiple tickets! Mar Jackpot was over 100 BTC! on: March 18, 2012, 09:31:38 PM
another tweak that you could make (maybe for when it's a jackpot of over 100 coins) would be that peeps have to claim their win by sending in a token small amount after the draw to show that the address is still active & hasn't been lost,

That would really be confusing for most.  Additionally the bitcoin.org client doesn't support choosing which inputs to use for a transaction so that solution isn't really even workable at this stage.

Anyway, the winner may actually be well aware of having won the prize but just hasn't needed to spend it yet.
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