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741  Other / Meta / Re: Trust flags on: June 12, 2019, 03:15:41 PM

A new user logging on is going to need a 4yr college degree to  figure out what all the =+#-1=2 mean.  I REALLY think this has been overthought and overly complicated especially for someone just logging in to buy a fake gift card from a scammer who they found on Google. Cheesy  IMO only (no personal offense intended to anyone) I think this is a mistake.  The ONLY people who will benefit from this are the scammers.



LOL says someone who obviously does not have a college degree.

They don't need to know that that score means because it means NOTHING.

Only a flag would be important to them for buying their gift card. Then they will get a red warning to help them.

The only people who will benefit are THE ENTIRE BOARD that are not scammers. Well done sandy.



If a person posts their scam solicitation post in a thread they did not start, and all they have is a newbie warning flag, all anybody will see is a # sign and perhaps an indication that a negative comments was made. This is like having a toy poodle act as a guard dog.
I believe they also have a trade with extreme caution warning under their name.

Yes that's for a flag, so this is another non issue people are trying to dream up to prevent a fair and transparent system being introduced.
Won't wash.

742  Other / Meta / Re: Trust flags on: June 12, 2019, 02:54:55 PM

A new user logging on is going to need a 4yr college degree to  figure out what all the =+#-1=2 mean.  I REALLY think this has been overthought and overly complicated especially for someone just logging in to buy a fake gift card from a scammer who they found on Google. Cheesy  IMO only (no personal offense intended to anyone) I think this is a mistake.  The ONLY people who will benefit from this are the scammers.



LOL says someone who obviously does not have a college degree.

They don't need to know that that score means because it means NOTHING.

Only a flag would be important to them for buying their gift card. Then they will get a red warning to help them.

The only people who will benefit are THE ENTIRE BOARD that are not scammers. Well done sandy.

If they need to study another 4 years to read some feedback they are like unable to operate a gift card.

743  Other / Meta / Re: Trust flags on: June 12, 2019, 02:46:51 PM
We just presented observable instances of lauda lying and scamming.

You presented nothing. And as marlboroza mentioned for scammers like you nothing changed. Only color. Now instead of red scammer you are  orange scammer  Grin Here is your trust page. Anyone can see it.


Yes when you are low functioning it is easy to be confused.

You see when I said present evidence of us scamming you must of conflated that with present evidence of your puppet masters trust abusing the old system to hide their own scamming?

Have another try fool. Not just present a wall of blatant trust abuse and observable garbage.

Please do it on a scam accusation thread and not derail this thread which is regarding removing the power of your masters whom you like felching to trust abuse whistle blowers like us.

Feltch your masters in private please not here.

Now look back a few pages and you will see we on the other hand presented an observable instance of lauda lying for financial gain. That is scamming.
744  Other / Meta / Re: Trust flags on: June 12, 2019, 02:12:37 PM
Now this thread will be used by potential scammers who were tagged by Kitty, to attack Lauda and celebrate.

^^ probably laudas alt ^^^

who has ever heard of this nothing poster before. Just randomly shows up munching ass.

LFC is that you?

Hey moronpigsnoz do you not understand that the flag system is not pushing for a fair and transparent system? where only REAL scammers can be flagged?

You don't want a transparent and fair system? you want to keep retain a system where PROVEN and VERIFIABLE liars and scammers like lauda you kitty kat master can still brand those that whistle blow on him as scammers?

Yep plenty of bottles of cristal are going to pop tonight I'm sure. Even more when your favorite kitty cat gets black listed. Meow.

Scammers like you always seeing things. For you, everyone is Laudas alt. Do not forget that we still have a "Scam Accusation" thread. So all I can advise you, is to go and fuck yourself with the bottle of "crystal" during your celebration.

Off topic - however produce the EVIDENCE Of scamming or we label you are LIAR in our new trolling trolls and liars thread.

People like you do crystal , people like us enjoy bottles of cristal Smiley  

You are obviously low functioning. We just presented observable instances of lauda lying and scamming. You make yourself look foolish by screaming scamming when there is none on our part euro trash.

The new flag system if enforced is pushing for a fair and transparent system. We realize you do not like that , sorry Sad



745  Other / Meta / Re: Trust flags on: June 12, 2019, 01:58:12 PM
Now this thread will be used by potential scammers who were tagged by Kitty, to attack Lauda and celebrate.

^^ probably laudas alt ^^^

who has ever heard of this nothing poster before. Just randomly shows up munching ass.

LFC is that you?

Hey moronpigsnoz do you not understand that the flag system is not pushing for a fair and transparent system? where only REAL scammers can be flagged?

You don't want a transparent and fair system? you want to keep retain a system where PROVEN and VERIFIABLE liars and scammers like lauda you kitty kat master can still brand those that whistle blow on him as scammers?

Yep plenty of bottles of cristal are going to pop tonight I'm sure. Even more when your favorite kitty cat gets black listed. Meow.

If this new system is left as is and theymos enforces this flagging system. It is a huge step in the right direction for free speech here.

You want to brand someone a scammer THEN COME WITH THE EVIDENCE or fuck off.  Should have been like this from the start.

Trust abuse is over. Feedback is fine put what you like. People should investigate if the feedback is true though. If we had our way if you put lies in that feedback form you should be blacklisted though. However since at this point it does not generate a warning then this is not so much of an issue. If the reader is not bothering to research the feedback for himself then that is their issue. If the readers wants to believe someone is a defamer when that person presented irrefutable observable instances to substantiate their concerns that is the readers own issue. 

The only people moaning about a TRANSPARENT AND FAIR SET OF RULES THAT MUST BE APPLIED EQUALLY TO ALL MEMBERS  are of course those that were gaming the sytem for their own ends.
746  Other / Meta / Re: Trust flags on: June 12, 2019, 01:46:33 PM
Red trust was sufficient for everyone up until a few hours ago - the only thing which has changed with leaving red trust is the removal of red "Trade with extreme caution" text.
Wrong. The warning above threads started by such users is also gone. Those two things combined make them worthless.

No, only you are worthless, actually of negative worth.

You are responsible for breaking the old system so quite crying, your abuse fucked it up.

That warning was presented above many honest members initial posts due to your attempts to conceal you had previously lied and scammed. It was therefore already misleading and of low to negative over all value.

You broke it. Theymos is fixing it with the new transparent and fair system. People will soon flag down all the REAL SCAMMERS. Hopefully you will be included.

You seem to be of the opinion that because you gave out a lot of red tags that people assumed you were net positive. The smarter ones could see that you have done far more damage here than you have good.

Just fuck off and let the board fix your mess.
747  Other / Meta / Re: Let me be the first to start a bitching thread about the flags on: June 12, 2019, 01:23:29 PM
LOL at the supporter of liars and scammers like suchmoon still wanting some WARNING for the  trust abuse his pals are still allowed to leave. Wheeled out by lauda to garner some support for the ability to still cause a WARNING on honest members who they fail to present enough evidence to demonstrate is a danger financially to the board.

IF THE FEEDBACK DOES NOT WARRANT A FLAG THEN WHY SHOULD THERE BE ANY WARNING? it confuses the entire thing.

It falls short of the threshold of a warning and is subjective personal garbage.

Put a green smiley face in front of anyone with a negative rating in the old system because since most people on DT have observable instances of lying or scamming or support those that do, a negative rating is an endorsement.

Suchmoon would you support a flag on lauda for blatantly LYING about the instamine of xcoin/dash whilst he was holding bags of it, to SCAM investors into believing the initial distribution was legit??

No you would not so why should anyone have a caution fucking emblem on their account for saying WARNING OTHERS  about the scammers you support.

If you can not present feedback that meets the threshold for scamming or CERTAIN negative actions that impact financially at all then why the fuck should there be a warning or caution symbol?

NO!!

I think you should have a warning symbol for knowingly supporting liars and scammers you fat slob.

Anything that does not meet the flagging threshold is not worthy of a warning. It is just confusing and misleading. You yourself will not ensure that lauda an observable liar and scammer has a flag or even one of these warning symbols but you want those that whistleblow on them to have a symbol. NO.

Meet the threshold for a flag, demonstrate the person is financially a danger here or tough shit your feedback is subjective garbage and has to be read before either a NEGATIVE or POSITIVE association should be pinned to the account.

@cabalism13

when can we put a little turd emblem in front of turd world ass lickers trust ratings like yours? filthy little parasite spamming away posting garbage.

NO NO NO last time theymos presented the merit clause in trust lauda worm tongue and suchblob and pals come along and push him to CHANGE the original design that favors them and their cycled 250 merits nonsense.

Theymos should leave it as it is now. Not give in to your bitching and gaming attempts.

Can't meet the transparent threshold for a flag. Fuck off and leave people alone you obese clown.

The only thing I would support is a message saying read and investigate all feedback thoroughly yourselves before making any decisions. A red warning sign makes that decision for them. Red warning signs or ANY negative warning signs should be for those that meet the flagging threshold only or it confuses the entire thing.

748  Other / Meta / Re: Trust flags on: June 12, 2019, 01:07:51 PM
Some users seem to be very happy with this change, so wholesome.

Yes, probably the members that are sick and tired of your trust abusing pals using red trust to silence observable instances of their lying and scamming, and enforcing double standards and different rules for their "friends".

Why don't you just stick to supporting the dox of forum treasurers than poking your brown nose in here.

Looks like the racket you campaign mangers were running with these red trusting / meriting goons is almost up.

If you start moving the goal posts to claiming they must now not have a negative score (that is NOW NOTHING TO DO WITH SCAMMING) you will be showing how far you are really willing to go to keep creaming off the best campaign manager jobs and giving the best spots to your trust abusing friends. That will be your certain demise. Sorry people here want a fair and transparent system where each member is treated equally.

Also where is that 0.5 BTC gone to?  You seem to be keeping quiet about that.

The only people crying about this change seem to be the ONLY people that have observable undeniable instances of scamming in their post histories that they can not hide now.

The new flag system is pushing towards a very transparent and observably fair system (if enforced). What's the matter don't like things being transparent and fair hhampuz??

You already admitted that you do not want to be transparent and open about the rules you selectively apply to different people to grant access or deny them entry to your shady campaigns. TRANSPARENT FAIR RULES THAT APPLY EQUALLY TO ALL MEMBERS - this is what this community is all about. Not shady back room deals.

If you don't like this new transparent and open flag system you are demonstrating clearly you should not be a campaign manager. Not that you have not demonstrated that previously by refusing to be transparent anyway.

1. refusing to be transparent in the selection process of your campaigns
2. supporting the doxing and bullying of a forum treasurer
3. not answering where the remaining funds went to from best mixer

stop trying to pretend you are wholesome- dirt bag.
749  Other / Meta / Re: Trust flags on: June 12, 2019, 12:28:25 PM
It's like you really are a cat; so afraid of a changing environment! Tongue

I'd be careful with taking a liberal approach towards the scammer flags. Your statement makes it sounds like you're just going to replace your previous usage of negative trust with scammer flags, at least that's how I heard it; can you please correct me where I'm wrong?
There is no requirement for one to be a scammer to receive a negative rating any more. I will not be participating in the flag games other than for a few notable cases/figures. Once more people start getting scammed because of a lack of victim-created-flags, then liberals might see why such a system is flawed. Then again, liberals like to be blind in spite of evidence. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There never was any requirement before. You gave negative ratings because people presented irrefutable evidence you scammed yourself? how does that make them a scammer exactly??

Great news LaudaM. Bye!!

We don't need you using this excuse to hide and threaten people not to present evidence of your own scamming any longer.

Just stop crying and whining on though like a little bitch.

Mid level scammers like you sneaked around the edges of the old system just managing to stay "gray"

At least now scammers like you are unable to use this system to silence whistle blowing of their own foul deeds.

Just shut up now, we have heard enough of your crying on that you want to retain your powers to trust abuse. You have no power here lauda worm tongue.

....and then lauda said: this trust system is flawed now that I can no longer use it to silence whistle blowing ....hahahaha
.....what will I do now that I can not brand members scammers for presenting observable instances that I lied and scammed......hahaha
..... it's all just so flawed now, what kind of trust system is this?

It just doesn't make any sense for me to use this system any longer says laudaM ... I simply can not game it for my own personal use any longer. I'm not playing.

Ok don't let the door slam on the way out. Thanks for being the main driving force for change, you trust abusing scamming wretch. We'll let you know when you we need you to dance again monkey.
750  Other / Meta / Re: Trust flags on: June 12, 2019, 11:40:48 AM
This reminds me that the prime time to tag HostFat/Bcash/BSV with new flags.
I think these are examples of people the trust system upgrade is intended to protect -- those who have disagreeing opinions from those on DT (and in power) -- and who should not be receiving flags.
Anyone who has bought either one of those coins thinking it was Bitcoin has been outright scammed. There are thousands of these victims. I will be leaving them, especially on HostFat. You can cry somewhere else.

Lauda by that logic you MUST have a scam tag.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.msg6748208#msg6748208


Lying about the dark launch. THOUSANDS of members who purchased believing your LIES there was no premine because you WERE THERE Huh  all those that were scammed into believing the initial distribution was legit.

By your own reasoning above YOU MUST have a scam tag.  For now I believe you can tag yourself. Get on with it.

The other ratings are now just what they always should have been : FEEDBACK that is to be read and examined not just taken at face value that the person has done something wrong.

When you started using red trust to silence and deter people from presenting observable instances of SCAMMING from your own past you ensured the trust sytem had to change. You tried to use the old system to facilitate and hide your OWN scamming. Now you are crying that is no longer possible.

A great day for bitcointalk. Satoshi is celebrating right now. Free speech is returning.

We notice lauda is already refusing to act within the guidelines let's see how long he gets away with it before being put in his place.



I will not be following any broken formats. He can either fix it or blacklist me because I flagged a known scammer if he wants create damage the common good. Up to him. Last change made DT less relevant, this change makes it next to completely irrelevant. I don't care about nor support liberalist bullshit.

Already people are refusing to support his NEW abuse. Now they know their sigs are safe (if they are not scammers) you will notice more people standing up to these bullies.

The common good is getting rid of bullies like you Lauda. You had a good ride scamming, extorting, shady escrowing, top paid sig spots. Looks like soon you will need to compete on a fair level with every other member here not bully your way to extreme advantage.

This new system (if enforced) is HUGE step in returning free speech to this board.


751  Economy / Reputation / Re: AdolfinWolf - false accusations - trust abuser. Untrustworthy. Plagiarist? on: June 12, 2019, 01:07:19 AM
It seems that the untrustworthy member AdolfinWolf is again trust abusing our account with more fake red trust with NO REFERENCE.

This member of bitcointalk AdolfinWolf is not only a sig spamming untrustworthy liar but now will not present any credible evidence to substantiate his claims.

No reference to the thread and no examples of the posts deleted that allow him to voice accusations of scammer? We previously told him that he is wrong to just copy and paste (already incorrect) red trust validations from other members.

This member AdolfinWolf should be considered a danger to the board and any project that he is sig spamming for. He is not suitable for DT or for any position of trust.

This seems like a copy of the untrustworthy and dangerous member VOD who tried to dox a bitcointalk treasurer. VOD claims we should have red trust because we deleted his 3rd SAME accusation that OG is a liar whilst presenting ZERO evidence. We told him he must present evidence to substantiate his claims or we will delete them.

This he says makes us a scammer worthy of a scam tag. I mean asking people for evidence to substantiate their claims makes you a scammer or untrustworthy??

If anything AdolfinWolf and VOD are untrustworthy and trust abusers.  Want evidence then request it and we will present it on this thread.
752  Economy / Reputation / Re: Quickseller vs cleaning up the forum on: June 12, 2019, 12:44:22 AM
Snackmuch does not care about lying, scamming, account selling or any of that shit. We have clearly PROVEN this by showing you she is aware of laudas lying and scamming and nutildahs account selling and still being pals and including them on DT. She rewards these types.


    If you are going to put an argument together, you should have all of your facts straight. suchmoon has not included nor excluded either lauda or nutildah in her trust list, although it appears both have included her. Lauda has excluded nutildah.  LoyceV has some wonderful statistics that he keeps updating every week. Please learn to use them.

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/234771.html (suchmoon's trust stats)
http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-08_Sat_06.22h/101872.html (lauda's trust stats)




INTERESTING.

HAS not ? or is not at this very moment?

Please pull up the historical trust inclusions on daily since the start of this new messed up DT mechanism was put live. I think you will find we were correct.

This is an interesting new development though. Nice to see a few people distancing themselves from lauda of late. We are certain she had the holy trinity of extortionists on there at one point.  I wonder if it is REAL effort to distance herself from trust abusers and scammers without causing too much of a rift or some effort to disguise the collusion but still ensure the same gang remain on DT. Hmm will be interesting to watch.

When she starts making anti lauda and nutildah threads we will take another look at her. When she stops trying to snitch in REAL legends who have made a REAL difference here on bullshit tell the teacher inconsequential crap then we may provide her with a real diet plan.

Either way. Thanks for the tip to keep appraised on this constant switching of who people think are trustworthy.


For now our point stands. She is selectively interested in wrong doing depending on who you are. This adds weight to QS statement or claim regarding on her weaponizing this C&P crap. We have noticed other legends claim the same previously.






753  Economy / Reputation / Re: Quickseller vs cleaning up the forum on: June 11, 2019, 11:53:52 PM
@theb

you seem to suffer from a typical ailment that afflicts most people here in that you are

a/ either extremely low functioning ..or
b/ you are simply an ass licker to perceived authority.


There are 2 possibilities

a/ QS appears trustworthy, has not scammed and is credible in terms of being DT (position of trust)

b/ The opposite.


These are unrelated to his ability to present valid verifiable statements and arguments (that require no trust you can verify them for yourself)


Now you just saw that we presented observable instances that added a LOT of weight to QS statement that suchmoon selectively enforces rules and is selectively interested in wrongdoing.  These are verifiable. There is no need of trust. Therefore QS has a strong case and it is probable he is correct. You seem to be ignoring THAT PART.


SUCHBLOB comes along and now says. If QS makes a few more posts that are very useful and he kisses the correct asses in DT gang (like her own lard ass) and stops making observably strong arguments that they are corrupt. He can regain his "reputation".

You see the entire thing is bogus. If she claims QS is a liar, a scammer, an account seller and this is all UNTRUSTWORTHY then a few good posts and looking the other way on their double standards does not reinstall someones "reputation" especially in terms of trust.

She wants it both ways.  To take his credibility away by calling him a liar and scammer then use that to leverage him into falling inline with her and the gang. This does not work.

Snackmuch does not care about lying, scamming, account selling or any of that shit. We have clearly PROVEN this by showing you she is aware of laudas lying and scamming and nutildahs account selling and still being pals and including them on DT. She rewards these types.

QS is correct here. Suchmoon cares about that only when it suits her agenda. For you to say these are EXTRA FALSE ACCUSATIONS and making it worse for himself is moronic considering we just presented you with clear evidence that this is her general MO.

In this instance QS is correct. Suchmoons arguments do not hold water as usual and in addition to that she blatantly does selectively enforce and punish for her own ends.

So theb you saying QS only hope is to kiss observably corrupt and devious DT ass if net negative.  QS has done nothing more than those you are saying he should kiss ass to and hope they forgive him or actually you are saying you believe he no chance of redemption now LOL  ?? redemption with who? and for what?  people that are guilty of worse??

Start looking for observable instances and real hard evidence. Not just proliferating garbage you heard from fellow fortune jack scumbags. You add weight to observably false bullshit like this you are part of the problem.
754  Economy / Reputation / Re: @Lauda you are a piece of shit on: June 11, 2019, 11:32:28 PM
Or do you claim that people who have not x amount of merit earned are automatically scammers and spammers who shouldn't be accepted into campaigns?
They're not. There are members with zero merits earned in other campaigns as well but no one has a problem with that since they're not flooding the forum with spam like Stake's signature campaign. Just go through any thread in the Gambling discussion board you'll be annoyed to see the threads are just filled with posts one after other from Stake's participants.

Even so in this specific case there seems no legitimate reason for this particular poster to have a red tag.

Please present the observable instance of him scamming or else a strong case that suggests he scammed or is going to scam.

Or if you want we can analyse why lauda does not have a red tag for scamming and perhaps taking this persons bch?

It seems this person is claiming lauda red tagged him for voicing his opinion on laudas behavior. That fits with laudas general MO so if that is the case then the OP is correct to have a gripe here.

Whether he or lauda is correct about stake and their sig spammers does not seem to be the core issue here.
755  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: June 11, 2019, 11:12:15 PM
if you give someone negative trust for some stupid reason, you have reason to worry about them or a close friend of theirs negative-trusting you for a similarly stupid reason

 the best approach about this is to randomly select 5 members who "give someone negative trust for some stupid reason" and blacklist them from DT forever, then everyone will start using the trust system the way it was intended be used.

Excellent post mikeywith.

Everyone knows this to be true.

Anyone that can not present a strong case for scammer or attempting to scam but has left red trust must be blacklisted. Next month this should come in. 4 weeks to get your trust abuse deleted.



This random selection is an IMPROVEMENT.  A step in the right direction. However, the 3 rules must be adhered to.

The more unpopular any changes are in meta (home to those colluding and creaming off the benefits of gaming the current systems) with regard DT.  The more likely it is that some form of REAL decentralization is creeping in. Of course those gaming it the hardest for their own personal gain are going to be CRYING about it.

The main issue is that it is still built upon the gamed and meaningless metric of merit, which is pretty much controlled by the same colluding gang that had a vice like grip on DT.

MikeyWith is correct though:  blacklist a few blatant trust abusers and watch the rest of the roaches fall in line. It will be a lot less work than you may imagine.

If red trust can ONLY be used as it is intended to be used then who is in DT is less important.

Let's get it taken care of asap.

Well done Theymos at last we see some movement toward creating a transparent and fair environment where every member is treated equally. This is exactly what satoshi would have wanted for the members of this board. He didn't want a copy of the central banking system where a few issue their own power (merit) to use against the general members here to crush (via DT abuse) any resistance and cream off all the spoils for themselves under a 2 tier rules system of their own making.

He wanted bitcoin, where each member operates under THE SAME clear and transparent rules with NO unfair advantage to any person or group of people. You want more bitcoins you have to increase your work, you don't get to make up a 2 tier rule set where you have a huge unfair advantage and have special powers to zap other peoples bitcoins away if they dare complain.

This randomization is a useful tweak, but demonstrates intent in the correct direction even if it is not a solid fix long term.  It seems impossible to create a decentralized system of governance on this board that could compete with the efficiency and fairness of one transparent set of rules enforced (when required) by a central all powerful entity.  

Just demonstrate you are willing to blacklist those that are trust abusing and NOBODY will trust abuse. This will wipe out also a lot of the corruption and gaming of the revenue streams here. MORE importantly free speech will return here and people will express themselves far more naturally without having to consider if it is okay to voice opposing opinions to that of a small group of bullies.

Let's get done with DT.

A FAR MORE interesting experiment of decentralization remains for MERIT, if we are really interested in creating a meritocracy here. This is what would really raise the quality here. If a system rewarded only the posts that added REAL value to a thread,then  the boards quality,  and productivity would go parabolic.

It is strange because we all want bitcoin to succeed, so in that we should be united. It is only the personal greed to ensure we get the max bitcoins compared to others that causes the divisions generally.


@ LFC bitcoin


Do you not understand that after outing yourself as Laudas bitch that your supporting (whining and low functioning spew) means zero. You have admitted you are too afraid of THEM to step out of line.  This is just a lauda proxy account. Pointless to blather on just quote lauda and place ditto marks under it.  The fact you and your master lauda hate this new update is a VERY good sign.


756  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: June 11, 2019, 05:15:50 PM
^^^
I'm not reading all that. Is there any way you could condense your rants into like 100 - 200 words? Furthermore, you're a Jr. Member, and you swear you're not cryptohunter ( Roll Eyes) so why do you think anybody should take anything you have to say seriously? As a Jr Member you haven't been here long enough to understand the complexities of the forum or the way the system works... Can you please stop invading thread that don't concern you?

This all seems like some off topic garbage, that does not address the valid points that I have just presented regarding the attempt to break up the strangle hold on DT one factions currently has by hand selecting a 100 "more varied" members from a larger pool of DT's.

Also I could have been lurking here since 2010 as far as you know.

Please increase your attention span to 5 mins or greater so that you can read a very brief post like that which was just posted.

I'm pretty sure that someone could in 1 single day gain an understanding of the mechanisms that determine DT and their implications just by reading cryptohunters very informative thread.

Likely it is  too long for your to take in, but you are welcome to have a crack at it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.0
757  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust changes on: June 11, 2019, 04:10:38 PM
I was always intending to choose a random subset of 100 once more than 100 became eligible. This creates more people who have a credible threat of retaliation: if you give someone negative trust for some stupid reason, you have reason to worry about them or a close friend of theirs negative-trusting you for a similarly stupid reason, if not in this month, then in a future month. I think that it pushes people (without forcing people) toward acting in-line with consensus, so that any retaliation against your sent negative trust always gets the sender excluded definitively.
Or it enables semi-random accounts to permanently keep you tagged because they ran an "election" in some local section. I think you've underestimated how evil your forum members are, given the right opportunity.

A good case:
1) I've excluded a big bulk of people from a "turkish election" (this is not decentralized in any way and if I did something similar, you'd have 10x the gang threads you have right now) here: thread.
2) I have been retaliatory tagged by a verified scammer a long time ago: profile.
3) The user seems to find themselves now in DT2 due to his buddies. Quite a trustworthy list indeed.
4) A few users have been PM'd about this, some of which are in the exclusion list[1].

[1] I took the opposite path of getting adequate number of exclusions and went straight to the root of the problem. You can follow this in order to see how pawns will not behave according to your theory.

The reader should be aware that LAUDA is a VERIFIED SCAMMER himself.  He is also a VERIFIED TRUST ABUSER who uses red trust to silence whistle blowers that present observable instances of his own lying and scamming. If the reader wants evidence then just ask.

This is highly relevant here because of course THEYMOS's suggestion of actually trying to introduce some REAL variance and decentralized governance in DT (not just some pseudo decentralization with numerous colluding accounts all working together as one single gang) is being met with displeasure. You notice fox poop the person who merited vod for doxxing OG is again meriting this bogus and far less important EXCUSE for lauda not wishing for people to give him retaliatory feedback for his trust abuse.

Some REAL decentralization will perhaps improve things in the short term but will always collapse into factions of people that will still abuse everyone else except other factions that have the power to retaliate. Only a central power can ensure the FAIREST and most optimal environment here.

Forget this decentralized self governing nonsense Theymos. Such a notion is never going to work. On an anonymous forum a centralized power YOU is always going to be required to enforce RULES for ALL members EQUALLY.  I understand your reluctance to be responsible for ALL rights and wrongs here. That opens you up to all kinds of criticisms and perhaps even legal responsibilities. Appoint us to do it.  If at ANY point you consider ANYTHING we have done to be UNFAIR then remove us and give someone else a chance.

Or if not us just give ONE person who is ACCOUNTABLE the DT blacklisting power who will use it.


Give us/them 1 admin power - a black list button for DT  

1. Proven scammer = red trust
2. Strong case is a scammer or intending to scam = red trust
3. If you are shown proof or strong case of scamming or intending to scam you MUST red trust ANY PERSON (no pals rules)

Stick to that and do not give red trust outside of those 3 rules  OR ELSE  you get black listed.

Why are we still messing around with this nonsense. You want rid of scammers, you want rid of trust abusers?  let's do it.

Free speech is the most important thing on this board, far more important than people gaming all of this for the best sig spots, campaign manger spots, escrowing positions.  These systems of control are crushing free speech. Merit is the carrot to encourage group think, red trust is the stick to create an echo chamber and silence legitimate criticism.

Both are garbage simply dangerous in their current form.

Let's remove the jack boot of red trust from the throat of legitimate and verifiable criticism. Then work on making merit mean something other than you agree and support those giving the merits out.

Next I would introduce a standard that encourages the REQUIREMENT to present observable instances for ANY accusation directly related to behavior on this forum. If you can not present observable instances to substantiate your claims then you must NOT repeat them because that is lying and deliberately proliferating FALSE information. The last thing you want is a forum full of bullshit and propaganda. If you make a claim regarding some persons actions directly related to this board then you MUST be able to present the observable instances you are referring to.

Let's turn bitcointalk in to a real meritocracy. Where each member is treated equally and measured against a transparent set of fair rules for their recognition.

So therefore forget about tweaking the mechanisms of DT selection. Worry more about how they act when they are elected than the process of electing them. People change when they get some power, people change more when they believe they are entrenched in positions of power. Therefore any ELECTION process is far less important than the REMOVAL and BLACKLISTING they KNOW they will face for abusing their position. This MAD notion where mutually assured destruction will pull the entire thing inline will only work for those in DT everyone else with no RED to fire back will just get abused still. It may help but it is not a fix and is weak sauce compared to the 3 strict rules that all DT must abide by.

Give a 2 month amnesty to get all their Red trust in order then enough is enough.

100 selected people from "seemingly" different factions will soon enough collapse into a few factions all abusing everyone else but the other factions capable of retaliation.  

Better to just rip the band aid off now.


758  Other / Meta / Re: We're Allowing TOO Much! It's gone too far with Lauda. on: June 11, 2019, 03:32:58 PM
The above post by nutildah is another typical example of someone who is completely untrustworthy, who by HIS OWN WORDS admits he will facilitate scamming for 0.3 BTC.

He is 100% certain that selling accounts facilitates scamming and is EVIL but is happy to facilitate scamming and become EVIL himself for 0.3 BTC.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134507.msg50719875#msg50719875

It has not paid off because even in very recent times he is found begging for 0.02BTC loans. This kind of adds weight to the argument that this is NOT the original nutildah "the NEM stake holder and dash pusher" .  If that kind of person needs to be begging for 0.02btc loans then he must be the biggest loser on this board. This is likely NOTILDAH.


So why is someone like this on DT? a person that will willingly facilitate scamming and turn evil for 0.3btc and now a broke bum desperate and begging for 0.02btc loans??? sounds like a strange choice for a position of TRUST on this board??  the answer is simple. He is a Lauda gang supporter if not an ALT of lauda himself and is elevated to this position to entrench Lauda and his gang of rag tag ass kissers and scam supporters.

Lauda can be found saying in previous threads " nothing will cause him to red tag nutildah" ?? sounds legit?

Accounts like nutildah are the reason why lauda can go this far. He is surrounded by alts and ass kissing fools like LFC, pharmacist, suchmoon, nutildah all meriting each other all including each other on DT and all excluding similar people.

Now he claims the above post is evidence of insanity.

WATCH THIS.


Notildah - can you present the EXACT parts of our above post that are INCORRECT, or evidence of insanity?  We await your detailed explanation.

HE WILL PRESENT NOTHING at all that he can demonstrate is incorrect or evidence of insanity at all.

759  Other / Meta / Re: We're Allowing TOO Much! It's gone too far with Lauda. on: June 10, 2019, 06:11:28 PM
Or simple, campaign managers should stop counting post made in DT/feedbacks drama threads but are this guys creating this topics because they're paid to via signature? I doubt so.
No, I highly doubt anyone is creating DT/trust/merit/whatever drama threads just to crank out posts for signature campaigns.  Nor do I think the people involved in or who are even discussing the drama in these threads are doing so in order to increase their post counts.  I can speak for myself only, of course, but they're some of the most interesting threads around, and in so far as I'm on DT and know a little bit about some of the players, I do have opinions to add to some of these threads.

As far as campaign managers not counting posts in threads related to such drama, I doubt that's going to happen.  Are there even that many sig campaigns left?  I haven't looked at the services section in a long time, and I have signatures blocked.  

The DT system on bitcointalk is not about warning newbies,

It is about tainting any user that dares to have an opinion separate from Lauda & Theymos & gang.
Not true.  You are making the mistake I've seen so many people make around here, which is to lump all the DT members and their ratings into Lauda's.  Not every DT member agrees with all of Lauda's feedback or with each other's for that matter.  Infighting is not unknown within the DT list, you know.

If you do not agree with laudas trust abuse YOU should be countering it. Else how else will the pseudo decentralized system of control have ANY chance?

Actually the entire blame for lauda being allowed to act like this is squarely at door of people like you and suchmoon (since theymos will not act)

You and suchmoon both employ double standards and try to weaponize gamed metrics against those that speak up against lauda and the gamed systems.

You can see suchmoon is now going after QS with accusations such as LIAR, ACCOUNT SELLER. When at the same time KNOWS Lauda is a liar and scammer but includes them on DT. At the same time knows nutildah sold or tried to sell his account in his own words KNOWING and believing HE was facilitating scammers and snitchmoon is not interested in seeing them punished at all. NO would rather support  them and include them on DT.  Suchmoon is not an excellent member, she is a fat (really fat) piece of snitching double standards untrustworthy shit. Never achieved anything here except whack a mole crap that does nothing and enabling real scammers and liars to gain access to positions of trust and power here. That is NET NEGATIVE, most of the crap it writes (with regard the control systems) is observably incorrect and pure moronic trash that she invents to keep people like herself and lauda in power here. Copy and paste is here weapon to silence any LEGITIMATE criticism. Along with post deletion because she can not win a reasoned debate due to being a full on fool.

Same for you the smarmacist. Commenting on other financially motivated  shit posters and trolls whilst having YOURSELF having a sneaky sock puppet aka Huge Black Woman account to sig spam and racist troll on whilst jumping from sig campaign to sig campaign to find the highest rates to spam at.  Sneaky, double standards and smarmy. Untrustworthy.  It is one thing doing it but then trying to punish other for it and lecturing them is disgusting.

None of you are interested in creating a transparent and fair environment where everyone gets treated equally. You all want to collude and just create a system where you feel some power and some are just after the best sig spots and escrowing deals etc.

Theymos must be stupid if he does not see this. The observable instances of you all just pushing double standards and weaponizing crap like copy and paste or deleted posts (reporting all someones one word posts from 7 years of history trying to get them banned)

Lauda is allowed to act like this because of gang of corrupt goons around him and theymos just sitting there watching it all trying to gage how much use lauda can be compared to how much damage he can do. This is not how it should work. If people are untrustworthy and scamming and abusing others then black list them.

Anyone who does not want a transparent fair environment where people are all treated equally should be removed from any positions of trust or power.

There is no other way. You are just trying to polish a turd here by tweaking these systems. If lauda was removed, another lauda and his gang will take their place with even more sneaky people like suchmoon and the pharmacist around them to keep them in power.

760  Economy / Reputation / Re: Quickseller vs cleaning up the forum on: June 10, 2019, 05:44:37 PM
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Just to put your mind at ease: I have reported you for copypasta 6 times just in the last 30 days and there's a few more that I haven't reviewed yet. You've copied posts as recently as December 2017. It's all spammy repetitive copy-paste without references but I guess moderators don't see it as serious enough to require action - all reports are stuck in "unhandled".

I don't need a sockpuppet account for that, as I said I take responsibility for my reports.

Oh a bit upset we just demonstrated QS is totally correct about your untrustworthy, double standards, and highly probable selective copy and paste reporting are we Huh

Well, I doubt you could have reported US for anything miss obese SLOB. Your picture nearly made us all sick, you should be net negative on that basis alone you fat retard.

So present them here now if you are not lying.  Probably something nearly as funny as getting a 2 000 000 000 dollar compensation for the board. Or being THE DASH GUY. haha

Also, present the trolling fatso whilst you are at it or you will find yourself on our trolling trolling trolls and liars thread.

If you are referring to the TRUE LEGEND cryptohunter. It is likely, he is quite careless now and then probably some other unimportant crap , I am sure he has nothing to worry about.  I mean to turn a TRUE legend to NET NEGATIVE you will need more than copy and paste. Perhaps stealing $ 2 000 000 000 dollars from members of the board or maybe deleting all copies of btc's blockchain could help you out.  I don't think any person would believe he is incapable of generating his own content. I wonder if he has posted the most (in terms of words) on this entire forum?

OOOHHHH you copied and pasted. Haha. What a pathetic snitching fat piece of white trash you are. Sitting there waiting for your snitcher badge no doubt lol.

Who cares you fat pig. I am sure the true legend is basking in the sun somewhere enjoying himself. Bitcointalk a distant memory of a once great forum.  He probably will return again when the board is cleansed of the net negative non achieving dirt like you suchmoron.

OKAY SCUMBUSTER aka suchmoon Smiley

As we said snackmuch or whatever you are called. Put down the donuts, get off your lard ass and you may be able to get someone to insert something other than a stick of tnt into your rancid hole and relieve that pent up frustration your weird little weasel bearded partner can't relieve you of.

QS is quite correct. You are untrustworthy and selectively try to weaponize this copy and paste crap, deleted posts or anything else you can for your own personal gain.

Bring the comparison between QS and Lauda your DT inclusion pal and we will tear you another gaping hole in public. Suchblob.









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