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741  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Proof of Stake fork on: August 05, 2021, 09:04:08 AM
You still didn't answer, where the heck you get your information from?

You're the one arguing against scientific consensus, not me. Next thing we know you are asking me to prove that the earth isn't flat. I won't bother going down that road, thank you very much.


Fact is that climate is always changing since the beginning of time, we had little ice age not so long ago

Yes, except cyclically speaking we'd be up for a new ice age soon, rather than a steady increase in temperature.


Cause of climate change is not breath and co2 of human beings.

You're right, it's not. That's also not the carbon emissions being referred to when talking about climate change. If you believe that that's what people think is causing climate change then yes, that would make no sense Cheesy

Read the following carefully, it may be something that you have missed and that may cause you to reconsider some of your positions:

It's not the CO2 that humans breathe out that is causing problems. That CO2 is already part of the ecosystem.

The problem is "new" CO2 being reintroduced to the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels. Coals, oil, etc... that's all carbon that had been taken out of the atmosphere and bound in solid form millions of years ago. That's where the imbalance comes from. Not from people breathing.

Think of it like inflation. It's the central banks printing more money that's causing inflation. Not people spending their money.


World largest lithium mining company is Jiangxi Ganfeng Lithium from CHINA, that owns lithium resources in Australia, Argentina and Mexico.
Third largest company is Tianqi Lithium also from CHINA, owning lithium resources in Australia, Chile and China, and controling around 46% of global lithium production.

Point taken.


Now use those DuckDuckGo search and search for word Rio Tinto, and then look for images of ecological disaster created by big corporation digging Lithium and other crap.

To rephrase one of your statements above:

I am not saying that lithium batteries are a perfect system but it is best we have so far with energy storage.

Also that's completely ignoring the enviromental impact caused by oil and coal extraction. You know, the "other crap" that big corporations are digging up. At much larger quantities.

That being said, shifting electricity from coal to renewables -- the aspect actually relevant to Bitcoin -- has very little to do with lithium extraction. Lithium is currently relevant for getting cars off fossil fuels, yes, but less so for how electricity is produced. The lithium batteries in your laptop, smartphone, etc. care very little about whether the electricity comes from renewables or not.



So it's not small people causing disasters, but big corporations, and there is nothing conspiratorial about that.

Again, not what I said. Actually quite the opposite.

The conspiratorial part I am referring to was the statement about big corporations buying out scientific consensus to shill climate change.

It's almost close to the truth though. Shell and Exxon had suppressed data on the impact of carbon emissions since the 80s, so there was some corporate meddling regarding climate change. Except the money to follow would have been fossil fuel companies.
742  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: About block size limit and transactions fees on: August 05, 2021, 07:38:13 AM
Firstly, yes it is. The fee that the sender is willing to pay depends on the amount he is transferring.
Secondly, the block size limit have a direct impact on transaction fees for obvious reasons.

The fee a sender is willing to pay may depend on the amount they are transferring, but that's irrelevant for the protocol. How low you can set your fee and still have your transaction be included within a reasonable time depends on how many inputs are being spent, not on how many coins. So if you received a lot of small transactions you'll pay a much higher fee for the same amount of coins than if you received just one large transaction.

Of course we could keep the block size limit to 1MB [...]

Block size limit has been effectively 2-4MB since SegWit's activation in 2017.

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The problem with dynamic block size limits is that in the end it's pretty much like having no block size at all.

Reducing blocksize limits in times of low demand will do nothing but artificially increase mining fees without saving any storage space -- the blocks would have been half empty anyways.

Increasing blocksize limits in times of high demand, based on the amount of fees paid relative to the amount being sent, would not only inflate the blocksize to whatever upper bound you'd define for the dynamic blocksize range -- which would in practice end up us the blocksize limit anyway -- you'd actually even penalize efficient transactions over inefficient ones (e.g. transactions consisting of a lot of small inputs like faucet rewards and thus take up a lot more blockspace). That is, you'd have a system that would incentivize detrimental behaviour which is rarely a good idea for something that is supposed to be self-regulating.

Also note that due to the use of change addresses it's not even possible to reliably determine the amount that is being sent. If I spend USD 10,- worth of Bitcoin with USD 90,-worth of Bitcoin going back to a change address, your proposed system would have to base the fee on the total of USD 100,- being moved.
743  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: August 04, 2021, 10:48:57 PM
ja, christlich Fiat geprägte Länder dominieren beim Bitcoin (noch)

FTFY

Die Lösung ist nicht die atheistische Dominanz sondern die kryptographische Wink

Würd ja auch gleich generell das Problem mit fallenden USD / EUR Kursen lösen. Ein Kurs kann nicht fallen wenn es keinen Kurs gibt! *auf die Stirn tipp*
744  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Proof of Stake fork on: August 04, 2021, 10:02:52 PM
Yes we are and utterly disregarding the scientific consensus won't change that. And I'm telling you that as someone who hasn't had a TV for two decades and isn't even sure what counts as mainstream media these days. Not like I care anyway.
Well how did you learn about this ''eviromental desaster'' if not from mainstream media brainwashing corporation, broken educational system, or their social media propaganda machinery?

We probably went to school in very different countries at very different times so I doubt we have a common frame of reference as far as a "broken educational system" is concerned. Not meant as a dig or anything, I just don't think it's possible to make meaningful, time-independent blanket statements about educational systems around the world.

Also, who the fuck gives a shit about social media?


I didn't say there is no ecological problems [...] but it's not caused by Bitcoin mining that uses 1% of electric energy.

...which is exactly what I wrote in my post.

I disagree with your statements about the severity and cause of climate change.

I do agree with your statements that PoW is not the culprit and that PoS is not the solution.

I won't be going into detail about the former because this is not the outlet to discuss this and I neither will be able to convince you nor do I care. My thoughts on the latter I already posted above; just know that it is my honest opinion that (1) PoW is the only viable option for realizing permissionless finance, (2) Bitcoin's current environmental impact is overstated and that (3) Bitcoin's potential to holistically reduce the environmental impact of finance is underestimated.



Edit:

You are just replacing fossil fuels and coal with lithium and other poisons that are ALL coming from guess where from... yes from China.

Australia and Chile! I'm staying clear of the stuff that I deem conspiratorial but please get at least the simplest of facts straight. China may play a bigger role in some of the other rare earths, but as far as lithium is concerned China is far behind Australia and Chile both in terms of production and reserves.
745  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Proof of Stake fork on: August 04, 2021, 06:28:29 PM
We are in the middle of an eviromental desaster
No we are not, and certainly not because of Bitcoin, but I guess if you keep your head in TV and mainstream media 24/7 it may seem like that.

Yes we are and utterly disregarding the scientific consensus won't change that. And I'm telling you that as someone who hasn't had a TV for two decades and isn't even sure what counts as mainstream media these days. Not like I care anyway.

That being said, PoS is a red herring. All that talk about PoW and Bitcoin mining being bad for the environment is just political posturing to distract from the real issue, ie. unnecessarily high reliance on fossil fuels and coal. It's just much easier to attack something as alien as Cryptocurrencies and PoW rather than, you know, try to actually change some of the systemic issues. Want to actually mitigate some of the climate issues? Vote the parties out that continue to subsidize coal mines and airlines over renewables and rail traffic. (well, the latter from an European perspective. I'm afraid the US rail system may be a lost cause at this point in time)


All the long thread you mentioned POS Forks. But you need the BTC Ticker, otherwise no trust. So the main devs need to join the game and give their github.

The code is open source and anyone is free to make their own fork of Bitcoin. Not sure what more you want.


And centralisation..... hell how can you mine BTC these days without investing thousends of dollars at a place with cheap electricity. Thats no decentralasion. Its a fairy tale BTC is still decentral.

Just because you can't mine BTC using a bunch of GPUs in a corner of your living room anymore doesn't mean it's centralized.

Also staking these days requires an even larger amount of capital -- e.g. 32 ETH for Ethereum which amounts to USD 83,000,- as of right now, or as another example 1,000 DASH for a masternode, which amounts to USD 160,000,- today. That's a significantly higher level of entry than mining. Unless you want to keep your money in a... you know... centralized exchange.


It was sathoshis idea , but he went off when grafic cards could mine Bitcoin.

*CPUs. It wasn't like 1-2 years later until GPU mining became a possibility.
746  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why buy bitcoins and not altcoins? on: August 04, 2021, 01:38:45 PM
MarketCap
Bitcoin accounts today for 48.4% of the total cryptocurrency market capitalization.

This means that investors all around the globe consider that all altcoins combined are worth nearly the same as bitcoin.


https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/

It is also worth nothing that while the ratio of Bitcoin vs altcoin market cap is currently roughly the same as late 2017/2018 there's currently more than 7 times as many cryptocurrencies listed than just 4 years ago (11,156 as of today vs 1,514 in December 2017 [1]). This means on average alts performed only 1/7th as well as Bitcoin.

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20171204031615/https://coinmarketcap.com/

747  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: REuters: EU Tighten Rules for Crypto Asset Transfers on: August 04, 2021, 10:49:29 AM
"A company handling cryptoassets" What does that mean? A crypto payment gateway? F*** payment gateways. Peer to peer, no third party. You can't implement KYC/AML to direct peer to peer transactions, right? I'm sorry EU, your rules can't change the game here.

Yes, the EU is only targeting crypto-asset service providers such as exchanges and custodial wallets. Peer to peer transactions are not covered by this proposal, nor does it aim to do so. Actually person-to-person transfers -- at least in the form of non-commercial activites -- are explicitely excluded:

This Regulation shall not apply to person-to-person transfer of crypto-assets.
748  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why buy bitcoins and not altcoins? on: August 04, 2021, 10:35:37 AM
There's more than 10 thousand alts and tokens in the market but only one Bitcoin. Sure, you might pick the outperforming unicorn but the odds are not in your favour. For every coin that performs well there's literally thousands that never fully recover after the bull market ends and there's a lot of survivorship bias. The top 10 now look very different from the top 10 during the bull run before or even the years prior to that. Just check the charts.
749  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: August 03, 2021, 08:27:42 AM
Wie flach in dieser Ansicht all die mixed Emotions von 2017-2019 aussehen  Undecided

2017 waren ja auch Bitcoins Teenager-Jahre, da wirken die Emotionen im nachhinein immer überdramatisch Wink

10k... 13k... 16k... 19k...
750  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: August 01, 2021, 03:07:21 PM
Du bist als Digital Nomade, also als Weltreisender oder auch als Auswanderer von den Steuern befreit, wenn du keinen Wohnsitz mehr in Deutschland hast und auch kein Einkommen aus Deutschland beziehst (also wenn du z.b. Programmierer bist dürfen deine Kunden nicht in Deutschland sein. Als Wohnsitz gilt auch, wenn du z.b. den Schlüssel zu einer Wohnung hast, welche nicht auf deinen Namen läuft).

Wenn's nur so einfach wär Smiley Dann ist man zwar nicht in Deutschland steuerpflichtig, aber immer noch dort wo auch immer gerade der Lebensmittelpunkt ist. Kann natürlich signifikant günstiger sein als dein Herkunftsland, muss es aber nicht.


Es gibt auch Superreichen die Geld sparen, weil sie auf ihrer Yacht leben und als Weltreisende die Millionen an Dividenen aus ihrem Aktien Portfolio nicht versteuern müssen.

Aber auch nur dann wenn sie nur Titel aus Brasilien, UK oder Hong Kong halten, sonst fällt nämlich immer noch die Quellensteuer an Smiley

Ich glaub der klassische Trick sind tatsächlich einfach nur steueroptimierte Firmenkonstrukte sowie ein privater Wohnsitz in einem Land wo keine Kapitalertragssteuer auf die "Dividenden" anfällt. Ganz ohne dass man sich ständig in Internationalen Gewässern aufhalten muss.


Die Emirate wäre auch nicht meine erste Wahl, ich würde auf Jamaika mit 5 % Einkommenssteuer auswandern oder noch lieber nach Thailand, wo man gar keine Steuern bezahlen muss. Darüber habe ich hier schon mal gepostet:

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Für diejenigen unter euch die nun über das Auswandern nachdenken: Thailand ist ein verborgenes Steuerparadies, weil es keine Vermögenssteuer erhebt, wenn man Geld für ein Jahr oder länger auf einem Bankkonto auserhalb von Thailand liegen lässt und dieses Geld danach nach Thailand einführt, dann ist dieses Geld komplett Steuerfrei (Einkommen und Vermögenswerte auserhalb von Thailand ebenso; es zählt nur das Geld, welches ihr nach Thailand einführt). Eine Aufenhaltsbewilligung mittels Thailand Elite Visa kostet ca. 30`000 Euro für 20 Jahre, also runtergerechnet auf ein Jahr macht das 1`500.- Euro pro Jahr. Die Lebenshaltungskosten in Thailand sind sehr gering, insbesondere im Vergleich mit anderen Steuerparadiesen. Schon mit 1`000.- Euro pro Monat lässt es sich in Thailand gut leben.

In Thailand hast du aber trotzdem Einkommensteuer. Ob Einkommen aus Staking tatsächlich als Einkommen "außerhalb von Thailand" gilt würde ich da eher noch mit Experten abklären bevor ich da aus Versehen Steuern hinterziehen würde. Thailändische Gefängnisse sollen nicht ganz so schick sein wie thailändische Strände.


Deutschland ist nicht so schlecht. Länder mit niedrigen Steuern sehen auch oft so aus.  Grin

Aus Sicht eines Hodlers außerdem eine Steueroase!
751  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: August 01, 2021, 10:54:57 AM
Das Staking ist der Katalisator des DeFi Boom. In einem 0 Zins Umfeld werden viele nach neuen Möglichkeiten für Kapital Erträge suchen und dazu kommt noch die mögliche Wertsteigerung des zugrunde liegenden Crypto Assets; diese wertsteigerungs Möglichkeit ist höher, als bei Rendite Liegenschaften und Dividenden Aktien.

Dem stimme ich zu, die Staking Rendite scheinen tatsächlich ein großer Faktor zu sein. Ich fürchte nur dass das ganze neue Blut was da momentan in Defi strömt und eigentlich nur den Bullenmarkt kennt noch ein böses Erwachen haben wird -- Erstens weil je nach Einstiegspunkt die Staking Auszahlungen den im Bärenmarkt kommenden Wertverfall nicht ausgleichen werden können (bei manchen Alts wahrscheinlich sogar langfristig) und zweitens weil die Staking Profite ja trotzdem in Fiat versteuert werden. Da kanns bei größeren Preisschwankungen schon mal dazu kommen das man für Profite besteuert wird die man gar nicht realisieren konnte.


Dann doch lieber als Digital Nomade, der als Weltreisender von den Einkommens und Vermögenssteuern befreit ist, an den schönsten Stränden der Welt relaxen und von den Stakingeinnahmen leben.

Seit wann ist man als Digital Nomad von der Einkommenssteuer befreit? Cheesy Ich mein klar man kann auch in die UAE emigrieren aber ob das langfristig so geil ist weiß ich nicht.


Ich schreibe das aber quasi um die Hoffnung auszudrücken, dass wir dieses mal um einen "Kryptowinter" herumkommen könnten und wir in der Investmentwahrnehmung eher im Bereich Techaktien gelandet sind, die ja quasi seit Jahrzehnten mit stetigem Geld hochgefüttert werden (und an Fiatgeld mangelt es ja wahrlich nicht). Das liegt aber dann tatsächlich weniger am zwar sicheren aber eher monolithischen Bitcoin sondern am quirligen smart-contract (Un?)Wesen.

This time it's different™ Wink
752  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: July 30, 2021, 07:28:47 AM
Witzige Anekdote: Am 23. Juli, also kurz bevor der Kurs nach oben ging, erhielt ich eine Mail von einem dieser Newsletter-Dienste, die Finanztipps geben. Der Autor meinte, Bitcoin stünde kurz "vor dem Absturz", und man sollte sich doch bitteschön an "die Tendenz" halten bei Investitionsentscheidungen, und die sei halt bärisch. Kurz: eine Aufforderung zum Shorten. Wer dem gefolgt ist, der dürfte sich nun grün und blau ärgern. Cheesy (Eigentlich ist der Dienst nicht bitcoin-spezifisch, gezahlt habe ich auch nix, also werde ich ihn erstmal nicht abbestellen. Vielleicht ist er noch für weitere Lacher gut ...)

An dieser Stelle ein herzliches Dankeschön an die Shorts, den ohne diese hätten wir wahrscheinlich noch ein paar Wochen auf die 40k warten müssen Grin
753  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A strange idea of labeling bitcoins on: July 29, 2021, 05:48:39 PM
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Ah I see! You mean like what if instead of making circuits that are application specific to Bitcoin mining, they would make processing units that could also be used for, let's say, graphics? 🤔
Such as a RISC processor or GPU? What a ground breaking idea... Tongue

Yes! Or if they continue to target business clients instead they could create something like an array of gates with programmable fields 🤔


But yeah, to get back on topic: ASIC miners as used for Bitcoin can do literally nothing else but process hashes. You could use the excess heat for heating, but that's about it as far as consumer use cases are concerned.
754  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A strange idea of labeling bitcoins on: July 29, 2021, 03:40:19 PM
Imagine that ASIC manufacturers have found a parallel application for their devices, which is in demand by millions of consumers, and not by tens of thousands of miners.
The idea would have gained more interest.

Ah I see! You mean like what if instead of making circuits that are application specific to Bitcoin mining, they would make processing units that could also be used for, let's say, graphics? 🤔
755  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A strange idea of labeling bitcoins on: July 29, 2021, 01:48:13 PM
cryptography cannot secure real physical objects in the real world

no amount of extra cryptography can solve this problem

What makes us limit ourselves to trustless and only cryptography in order to obtain the required functionality? Just an understanding that it is ugly to spoil a clean implementation with dirty inclusions? Smiley

What else would you do though? Hire mining inspectors that regularily check mining operations around the globe whether they run hardware according to regulation? Cheesy

Seriously tho, at the end of the day the most straightforward solution would be to simply get in touch with major mining pool operators. Given an attractive enough sponsorship deal you'd surely find operators willing to add your tagline to whatever blocks they mine. Whether this advertising money wouldn't be better spent elsewhere is a different question. Depending on ones intent this would digress from the original idea of incentivising people to use specific mining hardware though, leaving only the advertising aspect.
756  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: July 29, 2021, 10:45:14 AM
Bitcoin klammert sich gerade mit Fingerspitzen am > 40k Bereich aber wenn ich mir das Volumen so anschaue würd ich eher davon ausgehen das der Kurs kurzfristig noch mal ein bisschen absackt. Trotzdem denke ich das wir den < 35k Bereich jetzt endgültig hinter uns gelassen haben. Es bleibt spannend in Bitcoinland.
757  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A strange idea of labeling bitcoins on: July 29, 2021, 09:07:25 AM
It is possible. Such manufacturer could create HD wallet and publish its public key. Then, each device could have one of the child private keys. In this way, any miner using such equipment could use it to sign any message and prove that it has such equipment. For me, it seems pointless, but technically it is possible.

When solo mining, proving that particular equipment was used to mine a block is trivial, all that is needed is checking the coinbase transaction. When mining in pools, proving that is harder, because it is possible if miners will switch to Stratum v2 or similar protocols where they can control their blocks.

True! Ignoring some of the other practical issues (e.g. pool mining vs solo mining) this brings up another interesting problem though:

1) Assuming non-hardened child private keys, once the private key of a single miner is compromised, the private keys of all miners are compromised [1]. Keeping private keys secure from someone who has full physical access is somewhat possible, but quite a challenge. Especially if the pot is not the contents a single hardware wallet but a whole network of mining hardware.

2) Assuming hardened child private keys, you get rid of the security concern above, but the manufacturer would not be able to verify the signatures [2]. Unless they derive and store each hardened private key in advance which comes with a different host of issues.


[1] https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/90627/what-are-the-consequences-from-the-leak-of-xpub-and-child-private-key

[2] https://learnmeabitcoin.com/technical/extended-keys
758  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: REuters: EU Tighten Rules for Crypto Asset Transfers on: July 28, 2021, 05:39:29 PM
Here's the full proposal btw:
https://ec.europa.eu/finance/docs/law/210720-proposal-funds-transfers_en.pdf

I've only skimmed it, but at a first glance it only seems to affect the likes of exchanges and custodial wallets:


This Regulation shall apply to transfers of funds, in any currency, => or cryptoassets, <= which are sent or received by a payment service provider => , a crypto-asset service
provider, <= or an intermediary payment service provider established in the Union.

Where crypto-asset service provider is defined as:

(8)‘crypto-asset service provider’ means any person whose occupation or business is the provision of one or more crypto-asset services to third parties on a professional basis;

(9)‘crypto-asset service’ means any of the services and activities listed below relating to any crypto-asset:

(a)the custody and administration of crypto-assets on behalf of third parties;

(b)the operation of a trading platform for crypto-assets;

(c)the exchange of crypto-assets for fiat currency that is legal tender;

(d)the exchange of crypto-assets for other crypto-assets;

(e)the execution of orders for crypto-assets on behalf of third parties;

(f)placing of crypto-assets;

(g)the reception and transmission of orders for crypto-assets on behalf of third parties

(h)providing advice on crypto-assets;

So while not especially pretty at least to me it doesn't seem much worse than existing KYC/AML regulations. Except it sounds like a lot more paper work for exchanges.
759  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Suggested resources for technical understanding of Bitcoin on: July 28, 2021, 05:07:12 PM
For a high level overview of the core concepts I'd recommend this article:
https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3136559

It's a quick read but nonetheless manages to introduce most of the fundamental rationales behind the design of Bitcoin.
760  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A strange idea of labeling bitcoins on: July 28, 2021, 04:53:18 PM
Those "labels" could be easily faked and it would be impossible to reliably verify whether the coins have been mined on hardware by a specific manufacturer.

The only way to "advertise" your hardware brand on the blockchain is by running a pool yourself and some manufacturers actually already do that. (AntPool for example. Bitfury used to run a pool as well, not sure what happened to them. Maybe they just stopped advertising their hashrate)
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